Now I know why the Patriots lost...

[mgteich]

You have reported what Dungy actually said.

like I said, I dont believe Dungy said it. He said ..."Not only the first african-american coaches but Christian coaches as well"

if i heard it wrong and he did say it im sure it was a mistake in how he said it.

either way, in thanking your God, it is not saying "God wanted us to win", its just properly giving your Lord his due. And the key is that people like Dungy do it whether he wins or loses.

 

[NEPat]

And the key is that people like Dungy do it whether he wins or loses.

Right, I think the way Dungy is, he's saying it sincerely and from his heart, and not trying to annoy people. He just always talks like that, and there was a lot of it this week with both he and Lovie.

Besides after everything the guy has been through, hey, if he wants to talk about how God was with the Colts or whatever, I don't mind.

Now if you want to talk about Irsay going on about how God is the number one Colts fan, go right ahead

 

[mgteich]

Just take out the wqord "first" and you ahve what Dungy actually said. He is quite aware that there have been many Christian coaches before him.

Sorry for everyone that didn't watch the Postgame show.

But I thought Dungy was ridiculous.

He actually said this: "I'm not only proud that Lovie Smith and I were the first two African-Americans to coach in the Super Bowl, but that we were the first Christian coaches, and God lead us on this journey and blessed us."

WTF? What does that make the other coaches of other religions? (Nationality has nothing to do with this) I mean, that podium is totally inappropriate for that kind of talk. Does he have any non-Christians on his team? I'm OK with people that say God helped us win this football game, or whatever, it's just a cliche. But Tony Dungy takes it too far. How does he know what's in the heart of the other coaches?

 

[mgteich]

You can judge. It was certainly offensive, tongue in cheek or not.

I hope that this post is tongue in cheek, and not for real.

 

[Seymour93]

Just take out the wqord "first" and you ahve what Dungy actually said. He is quite aware that there have been many Christian coaches before him.

Yeah so why did he say it? Just to be a pompous ass? Do other non-Christian coaches not deserve it or something?

 

[3 to be 4]

On the podium right after the game he said that he and Lovie were the first Christians. Bizarre. And yes, he said that God lead them to the culmination of THIS journey. What do you think THIS refers to? It refers to winning? Irsay led off and said the same thing? Sounds like yo didn't watch it.

i'll have to watch the tape again, i dont think he said it that way, that they were the first. and if he did, it was a mistake.

as for the second part, i wasnt going to get into that on the football board with you but you brought it up. win or lose, for a Christian, God is in control. it doesnt mean God wants the Christian to win,. If that was the case, as they say, why play the game?

its an illogical leap to say just because one gives the Lord credit for everything, that hes saying "God wants our side to win"
Dungy had as much faith in God when his son died or when he lost past playoff games. It is only a slight towards other faiths if you want it to be.

 

[DegeneratePatsFan]

I'm giggling at the thought of a winning QB or coach hoisting the Lombardi trophy and shouting, "All praise to Satan!" Then watching Jim Nantz's reaction.

 

[BelichickFan]

Yeah so why did he say it? Just to be a pompass ass? Do other non-Christian coaches not deserve it or something?

I guess it makes him feel superior or something.

 

[PatsMyBoyz!]

I'm sure Dungy didn't mean anything negative by it-at least I hope not. He doesn't seem the type to intentionally malign like that.Irsay....well.....:bricks:

 

[3 to be 4]

Yeah so why did he say it? Just to be a pompous ass? Do other non-Christian coaches not deserve it or something?

He said it give the credit to his God, which he would have done in defeat as well.
What does that have to do with the non-Christian coaches? They are free to believe as they wish as well.

You have the choice to read more into it and be offended by it if you want to be.

 

[PatsMyBoyz!]

I'm giggling at the thought of a winning QB or coach hoisting the Lombardi trophy and shouting, "All praise to Satan!" Then watching Jim Nantz's reaction.

Fitzy (the video guy) called him "Satan Manning"

 

[upstater1]

You can judge. It was certainly offensive, tongue in cheek or not.

Oh, please, come on. What was offensive? This is the third time I've heard Dungy utter the "first" Christian coaches line.

I teach English for a living, and this is what you call a parallel construction: We are the first African American and Christian coaches.

I forgive Dungy only if he was speaking English improperly, otherwise mine is the proper grammatical understanding of that sentence.

 

[upstater1]

i'll have to watch the tape again, i dont think he said it that way, that they were the first. and if he did, it was a mistake.

as for the second part, i wasnt going to get into that on the football board with you but you brought it up. win or lose, for a Christian, God is in control. it doesnt mean God wants the Christian to win,. If that was the case, as they say, why play the game?

its an illogical leap to say just because one gives the Lord credit for everything, that hes saying "God wants our side to win"
Dungy had as much faith in God when his son died or when he lost past playoff games. It is only a slight towards other faiths if you want it to be.

Why is it important that they were Christian coaches? That's all I'm asking. Why did he emphasize that? Wh=ould it have been less important if Jewish coaches had won?

As for his son, I don't want to get into that. That's a story to be written later, and it isn't proper on this Sports board. But I have read stuff which gives me pause.

 

[upstater1]

I'm sure Dungy didn't mean anything negative by it-at least I hope not. He doesn't seem the type to intentionally malign like that.Irsay....well.....:bricks:

Well, people keep saying that, but I've heard him repeat the phrase multiple times in the last few weeks.

 

[3 to be 4]

Why is it important that they were Christian coaches? That's all I'm asking. Why did he emphasize that? Wh=ould it have been less important if Jewish coaches had won?

As for his son, I don't want to get into that. That's a story to be written later, and it isn't proper on this Sports board. But I have read stuff which gives me pause.

why is it important? Because it is the most important thing in his life. More than winning a Super Bowl.
Its not a swipe at somebody else that he gives the credit to his God, win or lose.

as far as your last point, since you put it out there please be so kind as to find another forum here that you can tell us what you are referring to.

 

[mgteich]

This is what you said, English teacher. If you said it at school, you'd be fired.
It make absolutely no difference that it was said as a joke. Offensive jokes ar NOT Ok.

"If the Patriots want to get to the next level, they have to fire their Jewish coaches.

The Bears were done before they walked on the field: Mushin Muhammad? Are you kidding me? A turbanhead touching the Lombardi trophy? God would barf if he saw that?"

Personally, I strongly beleive in free speech. I think that it fine for you to embarrass yourself; but it is indeed offensive to me. And, if you understand the lesson given you by your HR department, you will understand that offense is in the eye of the beholder.

To be clear, I am fine with you being offensive. People are what they are.

That you would equate your racism with Dungy's comments, implying that his faith is as important to him as is race, this just poor judgement on your part.

Oh, please, come on. What was offensive? This is the third time I've heard Dungy utter the "first" Christian coaches line.

I teach English for a living, and this is what you call a parallel construction: We are the first African American and Christian coaches.

I forgive Dungy only if he was speaking English improperly, otherwise mine is the proper grammatical understanding of that sentence.

 

[upstater1]

why is it important? Because it is the most important thing in his life. More than winning a Super Bowl.
Its not a swipe at somebody else that he gives the credit to his God, win or lose.

as far as your last point, since you put it out there please be so kind as to find another forum here that you can tell us what you are referring to.

As I said, I have no problem with him giving credit to God, or even saying join me in prayer, or anything else that's just typical. I specifically had a problem that, when Nantz asked him about social history, he highlighted the fact that he and Lovie were Christian coaches. This wasn't giving credit to God. This was in response to the question: why is your victory important in American social history. His answer: because I'm a Christian coach.

Anyone who saw his son's MySpace page and also understands Dungy's deeply held religious attitudes toward certain modern and contemporary lifestyles can probably figure out what I'm referring to.

 

[Johnny Mac]

Why is it important that they were Christian coaches? That's all I'm asking.

Because they did it "the Lord's way." Everyone else does it the heathen way.

 

[upstater1]

This is what you said, English teacher. If you said it at school, you'd be fired.
It make absolutely no difference that it was said as a joke. Offensive jokes ar NOT Ok.

"If the Patriots want to get to the next level, they have to fire their Jewish coaches.

The Bears were done before they walked on the field: Mushin Muhammad? Are you kidding me? A turbanhead touching the Lombardi trophy? God would barf if he saw that?"

Personally, I strongly beleive in free speech. I think that it fine for you to embarrass yourself; but it is indeed offensive to me. And, if you understand the lesson given you by your HR department, you will understand that offense is in the eye of the beholder.

To be clear, I am fine with you being offensive. People are what they are.

That you would equate your racism with Dungy's comments, implying that his faith is as important to him as is race, this just poor judgement on your part.

Calm down, mgteich. I was being sarcastic. I don't even know what your argument is. I'm implying that his faith is as important to him as race? Wha? Maybe but I don't even know how and what the significance is. What the hell does that mean?

For the record, this wasn't a colorful joke. I was being facetious, and I've said a lot worse to my students, who are comfortable with my teaching methods, and also bright enough to understand sarcasm and facetious speech when they hear it, like a lot of people on this thread. No, I don't like racist jokes either, and this clearly wasn't one, so get off my back and maybe kick your dog instead.

 

[3 to be 4]

As I said, I have no problem with him giving credit to God, or even saying join me in prayer, or anything else that's just typical. I specifically had a problem that, when Nantz asked him about social history, he highlighted the fact that he and Lovie were Christian coaches. This wasn't giving credit to God. This was in response to the question: why is your victory important in American social history. His answer: because I'm a Christian coach.

Anyone who saw his son's MySpace page and also understands Dungy's deeply held religious attitudes toward certain modern and contemporary lifestyles can probably figure out what I'm referring to.

i thought he said because they were the first african-american coaches and christian coaches. You keep changing the quote.

so you are saying it was his father being a Christian which led to his killing himself?

I sensing an agenda here.