Aldon Smith

[TruthSeeker]

I think the 49ers would have a much better chance of winning if Alex Smith were at QB,Smith reminds me a bit of a Orton type of QB which usually gives the Pats D fits.

I think Kaepernick is the wrong choice here,he can run but I think he may get flustered against a complex defensive scheme that Patricia and Belichick will draw up.

Wow, the worm has certainly turned (for the better). Imagine, we are talking about "complex defensive schemes" drawn up by "Patricia and Belichick". Early this season, we were making rookie QB's look like Joe Montana.

 

[Ring 6]

Lets not pretend all that Aldon does is go after the QB....While he is less of a complete defender than Watt,Aldon has 57 tackles on the season and just 7 short of Watt's 64

Thats a nice number for a 'one trick pony'

My point is while Watt is the better 'overall' player,Aldon smith almost falls under the radar outside of the bay area...

Smith has 19.5 sacks but when was the last time ESPN even mentions the guy.

Please tell me you aren't arguing that the quality of run defense is judged by the number of tackles.

 

[IllegalContact]

Please tell me you aren't arguing that the quality of run defense is judged by the number of tackles.

he is actually a pretty good run defender, but the mistake teams make is to approach him like an LB......play the niners like any other good 4-3 defense and there's your answer......we could use alot of the 2 TE set

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Please tell me you aren't arguing that the quality of run defense is judged by the number of tackles.

What I am saying is he is not just standing there trying to get to the QB and nothing else like a one trick pony would suggest ...the guy IS getting involved in bringing down the RB,TE ect:

 

[pazrul72]

A lot of why JJ Watt gets more air time is the eye test. Even though his stats in the Patriots game were a whole lot of zero's is there any one on this board who isn't awed by the game he had? He jumps off the screen and does ALL the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet. The rest of the Texans did not show up to play but JJ sure as hell did. I have not seen anything even close to that from Smith... though to be fair I have not watched a lot of 9ers games.

 

[IllegalContact]

A lot of why JJ Watt gets more air time is the eye test. Even though his stats in the Patriots game were a whole lot of zero's is there any one on this board who isn't awed by the game he had? He jumps off the screen and does ALL the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet. The rest of the Texans did not show up to play but JJ sure as hell did. I have not seen anything even close to that from Smith... though to be fair I have not watched a lot of 9ers games.

its not just the sacks or the tackles......how many PD's does smith have? zero

watt can affect the play many more different ways than smith can

 

[livinginthe past]

While its true that Watt and Aldon Smith play very different positions - its also true to say that Watt does not play your typical 3-4 DE position - he is allowed to be alot more attacking, looking for penetration as opposed to eating up blockers.

For those that say Aldon Smith is a 'one trick pony' - well...what a trick it is!

Watt is a trickier customer because he is a rare beast playing in an unusual fashion - as exceptional as Aldon has been he plays a stereotypical position - one that the Patriots have faced may times in the form of Terrell Suggs, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, DeMarcus Ware and so on.

I can't remember many times under the Belichick era when a OLB was allowed to take over a game (possibly the odd JT game for Miami?) - and we have faced some greats along the way.

 

[Captain Cliche]

I think the 49ers would have a much better chance of winning if Alex Smith were at QB,Smith reminds me a bit of a Orton type of QB which usually gives the Pats D fits.

I think Kaepernick is the wrong choice here,he can run but I think he may get flustered against a complex defensive scheme that Patricia and Belichick will draw up.

Off topic, but you hit the nail on the head there. It"s the Pennington/Henne's that give the Pats fits....mistake free, quick release, short passing game, take what 'the bend but don't break' gives you.

They eat up the gunslingers.

Pass, pass, pass. Why would any team play to this D's strength and try to beat them on the ground...especially earlier in the season. It must be an ego thing. "We need to slug it out with the Pats." While you're trying to wear them down, Brady has just rung up 14 on your ***** and the game's over. This team is built to stop the run. They have too much depth on the D line.

 

[Fanfrom1960]

Aldon Smith has the advantage of Justin Smith taking up the double teams and freeing him to get to the QB. Watt has the advantage of being a better football player than Aldon Smith.

Spot on, and Justin Smith at 33 years of age and near 300 pounds is as beastly at ends of games as he is at the start. Phenomenal motor guy. If I had one player to remove from the 49ers defense, it would be Justin Smith.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

....is a beast

 

[Ring 6]

What I am saying is he is not just standing there trying to get to the QB and nothing else like a one trick pony would suggest ...the guy IS getting involved in bringing down the RB,TE ect:

He is not a good run defender. Thats what one trick pony means, his only strength is rushing the passer and he is weak in the other aspects of his game.
How many tackles he has is not evidence he is a good run defender (which is what yuo implied) and often indicative with a DL of being targetted because he is a weak run defender.
I'm curious how many 49er games have you seen this year?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

He is not a good run defender. Thats what one trick pony means, his only strength is rushing the passer and he is weak in the other aspects of his game.
How many tackles he has is not evidence he is a good run defender (which is what yuo implied) and often indicative with a DL of being targetted because he is a weak run defender.
I'm curious how many 49er games have you seen this year?

I guess Chandler Jones is a one trick pony too because he is primarily here to rush the passer and cause havoc on the OT

I would absolutely love to have those more of these one trick ponies on the team if they dominate at the one trick they do ,give me guys like Aldon Smith all day

That being said,no one is saying that Smith is better than Watt,the point here is that Watt gets recognized for a lot of what he does,Smith has been under the radar all season while being close to 20 sacks.

 

[Ring 6]

I guess Chandler Jones is a one trick pony too because he is primarily here to rush the passer and cause havoc on the OT

I would absolutely love to have those more of these one trick ponies on the team if they dominate at the one trick they do ,give me guys like Aldon Smith all day

That being said,no one is saying that Smith is better than Watt,the point here is that Watt gets recognized for a lot of what he does,Smith has been under the radar all season while being close to 20 sacks.

Chandler Jones has played the run extremely well.
How much you value the one trick does not change the fact that it is.
Well, since I said Watt is better than Smith BECAUSE he is a complete player and you are arguing that STILL, it would appear that you are saying Smith is better.
I am pointing out that a couple of more sacks playing a role that is more conducive to sacks, while being not very good at the otehr responsiblities he has makes him a lesser player.

 

[JPsPats]

Chandler Jones has played the run extremely well.
How much you value the one trick does not change the fact that it is.
Well, since I said Watt is better than Smith BECAUSE he is a complete player and you are arguing that STILL, it would appear that you are saying Smith is better.
I am pointing out that a couple of more sacks playing a role that is more conducive to sacks, while being not very good at the otehr responsiblities he has makes him a lesser player.

NO he didnt.. are u blind? He's defending that you called smith a one trick pony which is a joke. A one trick pony would be like a Bruce Irvin. IVe watched all of san frans games on game pass and smith is solid against the run.


Last year he was a one trick pony because thats all he was asked to do. This year he is a 3-down OLB who DOES drop in coverage and who DOES stop the run and who DOES lead the league in sacks.

No one said hes better then watt, but he sure aint a one trick pony andy boy.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

can we trade for this kid..i want him on the pats so bad....ugh

 

[CityOfChampions]

Aldon Smith on the Patriots offense: “We can stop them.”

 

[BradyFTW!]

I guess Chandler Jones is a one trick pony too because he is primarily here to rush the passer and cause havoc on the OT

That would be true, except that Jones is actually very good at setting the edge and using his long arms to avoid being engaged by blockers. Perhaps most importantly, he is not a traditional edge rusher, in that he doesn't sprint upfield and attempt to beat the tackle around the corner. He engages and beats the blocker, which means he doesn't open up a massive running lane in his attempt to get to the QB. That's a huge dela, and it's the biggest reason we's a good run defender - not great, but maybe he'll become that down the line. He's clearly not a finished product yet, as either a run defender or pass rusher.

This is the kind of conversation that you can't have on the basis of incredibly simple stats like tackles. You have to watch the games, understand what's happening, and apply an awful lot of qualitative analysis.

I would absolutely love to have those more of these one trick ponies on the team if they dominate at the one trick they do ,give me guys like Aldon Smith all day

Well yeah, any team in the league would be happy to have Aldon Smith. The one thing that he's exceptional at is very important and hard to find.

 

[celticboy04]

he is actually a pretty good run defender, but the mistake teams make is to approach him like an LB......play the niners like any other good 4-3 defense and there's your answer......we could use alot of the 2 TE set

Greetings,
49ers play a 3-4.
Celticboy04

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Aldon Smith on the Patriots offense: “We can stop them.”

The 49ers have the NFLs best defense....of course they can.....they also might not,that's why they play the games.

 

[celticboy04]

I would absolutely love to have those more of these one trick ponies on the team if they dominate at the one trick they do ,give me guys like Aldon Smith all day

Greetings,
I second that. I am not impressed by his coverage skills, but everything else I like a lot from him. Overall, I think is an elite player, yes I said elite!!

Greetings,
Celticboy04