Hypothetical #2: What if Brady plays another 5-6 years?

[Off The Grid]

Cassell is interesting because of the success he had in 2008. Don't forget he had 2 CONSECUTIVE 400 yd passing games that year. IIRC that's something TB had never done to that point. Clearly Josh McDaniels got the most out of Matt Cassell. Certainly more than any of his other coaches. Lets assume that at some point the Pats trade Mallet in order to retrieve some of his draft value. Cassel would make a good back up because he's proven he can be productive in this offensive system, and would come at a lower price. THEN 3 or 4 years from now you draft the QB who will ultimately replace Brady, and maybe give him a year on the bench backing up Cassell for a year.

Cassell, I think would prove to be a far more effective QB here in Foxboro than he was in KC But lets be certain of one thing. Ryan Mallet, barring a Brady injury, is NEVER going to start a game for the NE Patriots.....at least under his rookie contract.

You raise an interesting scenario. KC will almost certainly part ways with Cassel after this season and he'll be a FA. He's due $7.5M in 2013, and there's no way they'll keep him. I can't see him getting a starting gig anywhere. Re-signing with the Pats to be re-united with BB and Josh McDaniels as Brady's backup might not be a bad move.

The question is, would Ryan Mallett have any trade value at this point in his career? Teams are desperate for QBs, and this draft class is terribly weak. Ryan Mallett has 2 years of seasoning under BB and TB. He's more likely to be ready to step in and start than most of the rookies in this draft - there aren't any Andrew Luck and RGIII talents out there.

It's pure speculation and a huge "if", but if someone wanted to make a decent offer for Mallett and Cassell were available in free agency, re-signing Cassell could make Mallett expendable for 2013. The Pats could then pick up someone like AJ McCarron in 2014.

What compensation they might get is another question (I wonder if they could do something with some mid round picks in 2013 and a conditional 2014 pick, depending on Mallett's performance). But I think that unless the Pats believe that Brady is done with the team after 2014, the odds are that they won't get anything for Mallett beyond a Brady insurance policy, anyway. And Cassell's already proven he can provide that.

LOVE this Talk!! :rocker:

The first move I make as Theoretical GM is to peddle Mallett for whatever I can get.

And bringing back Cassell is a very clever idea: I prefer to draft or trade for the likes of My Boy Greg McElroy or My Boy Kellen Moore...but that ain't bad at all!!

 

[Off The Grid]

What happened to guys like Montana and Elway after 35 is really not relevant today, quite frankly. The game has changed. The protection provided both QBs and receivers will lengthen the effectiveness of QB's like Tom Brady. Especially Brady, His lack of "athletic ability" is actually an advantage. His needs only to continue within that 5 yd box of the "pocket". There should be no dramatic loss of arm strength either. Farve was still throwing bullets into his 40's. The only question of deterioration the Pats should be worried about is Brady's competitive desire. Because if IT is maintains its current high level, Brady could easily maintain a high level of play for another 5 years. Which would mean that his eventual replacement is still in HS.

In an ideal world, when Brady is ready to retire, the defense we are building will have matured into a dominant one, and the next Patriot QB will not have to be "Tom Brady" to succeed here.

One of your very finest, Brother Ken!!

1 ~ I presume nothing of the Future...But Tom Brady is the consummate Warrior. There is every reason to hope and indeed to speculate that he'll play ~ and play at an extremely high level ~ for the rest of this and for another 5 years.

2 ~ Better yet: It seems to me that there is a prevalence of Fans who seem to think that this Dynasty ends when Brady retires. Brady has no bigger fan than I, and I'd be the last man to suggest that he isn't essential to the magnificent Glory we've all had the Privilege of taking a Share in...and might yet take!!

But as long as Bill The Mad (Genius) is behind the wheel...our Possibilities are endless.

 

[mayoclinic]

After tonight, let's hope for 10-12 years. :singing:

 

[patsfaninpa]

After tonight, let's hope for 10-12 years. :singing:

He does have to feed his family That little gal is probably sucking down tons of formula. What does that cost these days?

 

[mayoclinic]

It's outside the scope of this post, but looking at the stats from the top QBs from this season:

- Brady: 319/495, 3833 yards, 29 TDs, 4 INTs, 20 sacks, rating 104.2
- P. Manning: 330/483, 3812 yards, 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 19 sacks, rating 104.0
- Rodgers: 293/438, 3297 yards, 29 TDs, 8 INTs, 42 sacks, rating 103.7
- Brees: 330/535, 4028 yards, 32 TDs, 18 INTs, 23 sacks, rating 90.8
- E. Manning: 281/462, 3429 yards, 20 TDs, 13 INTs, 14 sacks, rating 86.4

Rodgers is really taking a beating, Brady doesn't turn the ball over, and Brees is morphing into Brent Favre.

Given the Packers' lack of running game and their porous OL, if the Pats' secondary can get healthy and play man coverage like they did on the Texans and allow the front 7 to attack Rodgers, I like what we could do against the Packers if we were to meet them down the road.

 

[manxman2601]

.@MichaelSaks Murray, Boyd, Smith, Doege, Mariota, Miller, Lynch, Cameron and Bridgewater all significantly better QBs than McCarron

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/278557361604550657


A little far perhaps but after lauding McCarron in a thread, he went right on to really disappoint me for the rest of this season.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/278557361604550657


A little far perhaps but after lauding McCarron in a thread, he went right on to really disappoint me for the rest of this season.

That's crap, but I don't mind if he stays overlooked.

What did he do to disappoint you? I though he was great even if he was inconsistent.

 

[manxman2601]

That's crap, but I don't mind if he stays overlooked.

What did he do to disappoint you? I though he was great even if he was inconsistent.

Played inconsistently!!

more seriously, he had three big games: LSU, TAMU, Georgia and he played poorly in all three. Not a good sign that he'll play well in the NFL. Will watch him with interest against ND.

I'm not completely down on him, let's just say he's moving downwards on my internal big board.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Played inconsistently!!

more seriously, he had three big games: LSU, TAMU, Georgia and he played poorly in all three. Not a good sign that he'll play well in the NFL. Will watch him with interest against ND.

I'm not completely down on him, let's just say he's moving downwards on my internal big board.

Maybe, but as a Pats fan we know how hard it is when you're every teams super bowl.

I tend to think people are really bad a projecting QBs. It's not like any other position. I want the next Tom Brady not the next Vince Young.

 

[manxman2601]

Maybe, but as a Pats fan we know how hard it is when you're every teams super bowl.

I tend to think people are really bad a projecting QBs. It's not like any other position. I want the next Tom Brady not the next Vince Young.

Russell Wilson
Matt Schaub
Tom Brady
Matt Cassell
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tony Romo


What do those six names have in common?

They're the only starting NFL QB's drafted in the third round or later. The next Tom Brady most likely isn't out there.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Russell Wilson
Matt Schaub
Tom Brady
Matt Cassell
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tony Romo


What do those six names have in common?

They're the only starting NFL QB's drafted in the third round or later. The next Tom Brady most likely isn't out there.

Well sure. It will probably be 40 years before any QB is the next Brady, regardless of where they are drafted. We're talking about the GOAT.

My point is I want the tough, smart, hard working guy with a chip over the combine wonder with the huge arm and 4.5 speed.

Plus, Russell Wilson is a beast and a former binky of mine :rocker:

 

[manxman2601]

Well sure. It will probably be 40 years before any QB is the next Brady, regardless of where they are drafted. We're talking about the GOAT.

My point is I want the tough, smart, hard working guy with a chip over the combine wonder with the huge arm and 4.5 speed.

Plus, Russell Wilson is a beast and a former binky of mine :rocker:

Okay, straw man here but you are saying you'd rather have Kellen Moore over RGIII.

This is obviously simplistic but I'd simply rather have the best passer possible with the intelligence to manage an offense and a desire to win. And my point was, that you're unlikely to find one of these outside of the first two rounds because in truth, QB evaluation is pretty good. If it wasn't, you'd have many more QB's starting that weren't selected in the first two rounds.

we will be extremely lucky if we don't have to use a first round pick for our next legit starting QB.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Okay, straw man here but you are saying you'd rather have Kellen Moore over RGIII.

This is obviously simplistic but I'd simply rather have the best passer possible with the intelligence to manage an offense and a desire to win. And my point was, that you're unlikely to find one of these outside of the first two rounds because in truth, QB evaluation is pretty good. If it wasn't, you'd have many more QB's starting that weren't selected in the first two rounds.

we will be extremely lucky if we don't have to use a first round pick for our next legit starting QB.

Yeah I assumed that was rhetorical. Grid is going to hate me, but I think RGIII is better than Moore in almost every facet. I'm just going to leave it at that so he doesn't kill me.

You don't think QB is the hardest to project? I think it is. I think there are more mistakes made with QBs than any other position. Tebow was a first rounder.

My entire point never had much to do with where the player is drafted. Manning, Brady, and Brees all meet my requirements. So did RGIII, Luck and Wilson. Flacco didn't, Sanchez didn't, Young didn't. McCarron does.

 

[Avenger]

I still think Kellen Moore will be a very good player.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I envision a scenario that brings the two time defending superbowl champion Patriots to a great, but tough position :

After winning SB 47 with the return of a great defense and Talib resigning, the Patriots figure they don't need much in 2013 draft. They trade the 32nd pick for the Raiders 2014 1st round pick.

The Raiders defense continues to be a joke, Carson Palmer deteriorates even more, the Raiders go 2-14 and give the Patriots the #1 overall pick.

Meanwhile, Johnny Football wins his second straight Heisman and declares for the NFL draft after his redshirt sophomore season.

The Superbowl Champions are on the clock with the #1 overall pick, what does BB do?

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I envision a scenario that brings the two time defending superbowl champion Patriots to a great, but tough position :

After winning SB 47 with the return of a great defense and Talib resigning, the Patriots figure they don't need much in 2013 draft. They trade the 32nd pick for the Raiders 2014 1st round pick.

The Raiders defense continues to be a joke, Carson Palmer deteriorates even more, the Raiders go 2-14 and give the Patriots the #1 overall pick.

Meanwhile, Johnny Football wins his second straight Heisman and declares for the NFL draft after his redshirt sophomore season.

The Superbowl Champions are on the clock with the #1 overall pick, what does BB do?

Trade down to 2, get 2014 1st and 2nd and take clowney

 

[manxman2601]

Trade down to 2, get 2014 1st and 2nd and take clowney

Yup. If you're in a position to take Clowney, you take him.

 

[mayoclinic]

Yup. If you're in a position to take Clowney, you take him.

I agree that you take him. But you'll probably have to take him at 1 without the trade. Which is fine.

Though trading the pick for a ransom and getting Stephon Tuitt + Austin Seferian-Jenkins and then adding De'Anthony Thomas and AJ McCarron would be pretty nice.

 

[Off The Grid]

Yeah I assumed that was rhetorical. Grid is going to hate me, but I think RGIII is better than Moore in almost every facet. I'm just going to leave it at that so he doesn't kill me.

You don't think QB is the hardest to project? I think it is. I think there are more mistakes made with QBs than any other position. Tebow was a first rounder.

My entire point never had much to do with where the player is drafted. Manning, Brady, and Brees all meet my requirements. So did RGIII, Luck and Wilson. Flacco didn't, Sanchez didn't, Young didn't. McCarron does.

I actually have a very high opinion of Robert Griffin...and I wouldn't expect anyone to agree with my wildly high opinion of Kellen Moore, with the possible exception of'is Mother.

 

[Off The Grid]

I envision a scenario that brings the two time defending superbowl champion Patriots to a great, but tough position :

After winning SB 47 with the return of a great defense and Talib resigning, the Patriots figure they don't need much in 2013 draft. They trade the 32nd pick for the Raiders 2014 1st round pick.

The Raiders defense continues to be a joke, Carson Palmer deteriorates even more, the Raiders go 2-14 and give the Patriots the #1 overall pick.

Meanwhile, Johnny Football wins his second straight Heisman and declares for the NFL draft after his redshirt sophomore season.

The Superbowl Champions are on the clock with the #1 overall pick, what does BB do?

Oh my GOD. I would be in HEAVEN.

By the time I got finished parlaying that Pick, we'd have something like 1 1st Rounder, 2 Seconds, 3 Thirds, 4 Fourths, 5 Fifths, 6 Sixths, 7 Sevenths...and 3 2015 1st Rounders!! And you know I'm not kidding!!