NEM, your Hobbs' wager, are you for real?

[Mainefan]

Speaking for a member and reader, I don't like the terms of this deal. By all means, bet--but don't offer or accept silence. Instead, try betting something useful, such as giving $20 to the other person's favorite charity.

 

[Fixit]

Speaking for a member and reader, I don't like the terms of this deal. By all means, bet--but don't offer or accept silence. Instead, try betting something useful, such as giving $20 to the other person's favorite charity.

Now those are useful terms. Winner gets bragging rights and a charity gets a few bucks they can put to good use.

 

[tatepatsfan]

How about instead of leaving the forum, the loser has to make a contribution to Miguel's charity?

 

[mikiemo83]

gun fight at the P.A.T. Corral

20 paces at high noon

 

[shirtsleeve]

Make it something much better in the bet. To not post for a certain amount of time is bad, its "out of site, out of mind".

I propose the battling sides write a SIG and avatar for the other. These must be posted before hand. The loser(s) must display that sig and avatar for all of next season....

Yeah, the get outta town by sundown bet sux.
I would miss any of your posts. Even NEM. No one posts with more blind passion and enthusiasm than Mike.

I like the sig and avatar thing, along with a donation to Miguels charity. THAT is a wager where the winner gets to rub it into the face of the loser every time the loser posts for a year. AND it really helps people.

 

[PATSNUTme]

gun fight at the P.A.T. Corral

20 paces at high noon

Or, the loser does the Samauri thing!

 

[patsox23]

Lay off NEM, please. You guys can be real jerks sometimes.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Lay off NEM, please. You guys can be real jerks sometimes.

I certainly am, but since he wanted to offer a put up or shut up deal, I'm just too weak willed to resist.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

So let me get this straight. NEM believes that Hobbs won't even make the roster next season? On the other hand, Box O Rocks believes that Hobbs will stay on the roster and start next season? NEM's wager is a little risky because Hobbs is pretty young and it's very seldom that organizations cut starting corners that are still young and may have some potential. I believe that Hobbs will stay on the roster and would be a great DB as a nickel and dime but not as a full time starter. NEM is right, Hobbs gets juked out of position a lot. Also guys, don't forget about Eugene Wilson. What the hell hapened to that guy this season? He was getting juked on a regular basis. I understand that the best corners in the league get juked every now and then but Hobbs and Wilson were regulars at that. The position needs an upgrade. You can tell because during the season Belicheck kept starting other corners over Hobbs. I will cut Hobbs some slack because the guy did play with a freakin' cast on his hand the whole season. But Wilson, I don't know what the hell was wrong with that guy. With that said, either the Pats sign a veteran corner or draft one in the first round.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

So let me get this straight. NEM believes that Hobbs won't even make the roster next season? On the other hand, Box O Rocks believes that Hobbs will stay on the roster and start next season? NEM's wager is a little risky because Hobbs is pretty young and it's very seldom that organizations cut starting corners that are still young and may have some potential. I believe that Hobbs will stay on the roster and would be a great DB as a nickel and dime but not as a full time starter. NEM is right, Hobbs gets juked out of position a lot. Also guys, don't forget about Eugene Wilson. What the hell hapened to that guy this season? He was getting juked on a regular basis. I understand that the best corners in the league get juked every now and then but Hobbs and Wilson were regulars at that. The position needs an upgrade. You can tell because during the season Belicheck kept starting other corners over Hobbs. I will cut Hobbs some slack because the guy did play with a freakin' cast on his hand the whole season. But Wilson, I don't know what the hell was wrong with that guy. With that said, either the Pats sign a veteran corner or draft one in the first round.

The problem with this point of view, and NEMs for that matter, is that it offers absolutely no consideration for the improvement Hobbs made from year 1 to year 2 and thus, no room for any future improvement he will make. People forget, this is not a grizzed veteran. This is a guy who is playing a complicated position against some big time talent this past season -- Javon Walker, Wayne, Harrison, Chad Johnson etc.--who has 2 years of experience. Few if any NFL players fully develop in 2 years. I'm not sure why Hobbs is expected to do so.

 

[Kontradiction]

OH NO ITZ INTRAW3B B33F! Everyone in on this "wager" needs to get a life... fast.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

The problem with this point of view, and NEMs for that matter, is that it offers absolutely no consideration for the improvement Hobbs made from year 1 to year 2 and thus, no room for any future improvement he will make. People forget, this is not a grizzed veteran. This is a guy who is playing a complicated position against some big time talent this past season -- Javon Walker, Wayne, Harrison, Chad Johnson etc.--who has 2 years of experience. Few if any NFL players fully develop in 2 years. I'm not sure why Hobbs is expected to do so.

I understand your point of view but how long should organizations wait for a player to develop? Remember, this is a business and professional teams don't have time to wait 4-5 years to see if this player is worthy of being a starter. The window of opprotunity is very slim and once you get a chance to start in the pro's, you better capitalize on it because someone else is waiting to take your place. Tully Banta-Cain is a prime example, Seau goes out with an injury making room for Cain to start on the outside moving Vrabel on the inside. How do you think Banta-Cain did? My assesment is that he had his opprotunity and didn't capitalize on it. He's seems too small to hold up on the outside and he too often didn't seal of the edge when the running game went to his side. He will be a backup at best and a career special teamer. The posistion needs a upgrade via free agency or the draft. Now going back to Hobbs, he has had two years of experience but I don't see how he has improved so much from the previous year. The Patriots know whether or not the CB position needs to be upgraded or not. However, I'm sure his position will be up for grabs come training camp.

 

[Oswlek]

I understand your point of view but how long should organizations wait for a player to develop? Remember, this is a business and professional teams don't have time to wait 4-5 years to see if this player is worthy of being a starter. The window of opprotunity is very slim and once you get a chance to start in the pro's, you better capitalize on it because someone else is waiting to take your place. Tully Banta-Cain is a prime example, Seau goes out with an injury making room for Cain to start on the outside moving Vrabel on the inside. How do you think Banta-Cain did? My assesment is that he had his opprotunity and didn't capitalize on it. He's seems too small to hold up on the outside and he too often didn't seal of the edge when the running game went to his side. He will be a backup at best and a career special teamer. The posistion needs a upgrade via free agency or the draft. Now going back to Hobbs, he has had two years of experience but I don't see how he has improved so much from the previous year. The Patriots know whether or not the CB position needs to be upgraded or not. However, I'm sure his position will be up for grabs come training camp.

Giving Hobbs the benefit of the doubt that his broken wrist impacted his play in 5-6 games, you can come to no other conclusion that he is a good CB. Frankly, he played just as well as Samuel against Indy, maybe better. If Harrison had caught the ball that Samuel let slip through his hands than it would have been an easy TD for him.

Frankly, I think that Hobbs was playing better at the end of this year than Samuel was at any point of his sophomore season. And I am one of the few that was high on Samuel for the entire tme. In fact, most people felt the exact opposite after last season; that Hobbs was a stud in waiting and Samuel was a good nickelback.

Hobbs is a solid NFL CB.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

I understand your point of view but how long should organizations wait for a player to develop? Remember, this is a business and professional teams don't have time to wait 4-5 years to see if this player is worthy of being a starter. The window of opprotunity is very slim and once you get a chance to start in the pro's, you better capitalize on it because someone else is waiting to take your place. Tully Banta-Cain is a prime example, Seau goes out with an injury making room for Cain to start on the outside moving Vrabel on the inside. How do you think Banta-Cain did? My assesment is that he had his opprotunity and didn't capitalize on it. He's seems too small to hold up on the outside and he too often didn't seal of the edge when the running game went to his side. He will be a backup at best and a career special teamer. The posistion needs a upgrade via free agency or the draft. Now going back to Hobbs, he has had two years of experience but I don't see how he has improved so much from the previous year. The Patriots know whether or not the CB position needs to be upgraded or not. However, I'm sure his position will be up for grabs come training camp.

I think this is a case where people see what they want to see. Hobbs made significant improvement from year 1 to year 2. I'm not sure how one could argue he did not.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

And, you didnt respond to my offer.

You didnt respond to my offer. My offer included you not posting on ANY Pats board next season. I would do the same. Unfortunatley I dont have the option of posting on one that you post on, but that is not my problem. You have a place to get out anytbhing you want to say, on that board, and I dont.

So, thats the only way. Also, I didnt say Hopbbs wouldnt make the team, i just said he wouldnt START at corner. If he starts at nickel, or ko return, thats not starting at corner, the position you say he excels at.

I say that he will be replaced, at starting corner, next season. By whom? I dont know, could be another player already on the roster, could be a draft pick, could be a free agent...but it wont be hobbs on the starting corner oipposite Asante.

Now, if Asante should get hurt, and Hobbs replaces him, that makes the bet null and void.

I am saying he wont be the otherr starting corner , opposite Asante.

You and I were in the discussion on that thread, so the bet is for you, and you alone.

If you dont want to risk not being able to post, then I will agree to somethng else that others may have suggested in this thread. Your choice.

Or, if you dont want to bet, that is acceptable, also. It is your decision.

No posting from the date of the first regular season game till the end of the last regular season game, no aliases, etc....on this forum and the other one.

And, i will add this. The reason I will only make the bet with you is that on many occasions, you and I, although in disagreement, had several good back and forth conversations with out personal attacks, unlike one, or two, other posters that made a point of coming itno threads for that sole purpose only, and who I wouldnt give the satisfaction to in case I lose the bet, which is possible, but, IMO, not probable.

If you agree, I will draw up the conditions and we can both agree.

If not, The we can just continue to agree to disagree on some items. I have no problem with that as long as it doesnt get personal.

NEM your offer means nothing to me because I have absolutely no faith in your ability to comply with the terms of the offer. I don't think you could help yourself.
Box, however seems to have that faith. I suggest YOU respond to his offer.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

NEM your offer means nothing to me because I have absolutely no faith in your ability to comply with the terms of the offer. I don't think you could help yourself.
Box, however seems to have that faith. I suggest YOU respond to his offer.

I do have faith in NEM, unfortunately it's the same faith I have in heroin addicts and couldn't be considered complimentary of his character by any stretch of the imagination.

As for the "bet" NEM offered you, it really had nothing to do with Hobbs, go read the language in the quote looking specifically at the non-bolded items - and be happy your mama taught you not to take lollipops from men who hang around children's playgrounds wearing heavy overcoats.

 

[mikiemo83]

so if hobbes starts and Asante is not resigned does that count as a win for whom?


sorry can't help myself but think Hobbes starts opposite Wilson at corner and Nem claims himself winner because Asante is playing for team X as a free agent signee

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

Thats a good point that hadnt been thought of, and I would have to say the bet is null and void, either way, even if Hobbs doesnt start.

Because the bet specifically says that he must start at the corner opposite Samuel. And I think the Pats can find a better replacement for Hobbs, but not for both.

The bet is based on Hobbs ability to be the starting corner opposet Asante Samuel, nothing else.

but what if Hobbs is on the injury report as questionable, and only plays some nickel for the first game (which I believe happened this year) and somebody like Chad Scott starts instead, but the next week goes back to starting for the rest of the year.

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

Not posting for a whole year, huh? As an aside, I wouldn't really know if I personally would take up the bet if NEM challenged me.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Thats a good point that hadnt been thought of, and I would have to say the bet is null and void, either way, even if Hobbs doesnt start.

Because the bet specifically says that he must start at the corner opposite Samuel. And I think the Pats can find a better replacement for Hobbs, but not for both.

The bet is based on Hobbs ability to be the starting corner opposet Asante Samuel, nothing else.

And therein lies the loop hole wide enough to drive a 18 wheeler through.

The bet should be quite simple. Barring injury in camp, regardless of whether or not Samuel is re-signed, Hobbs is one of two starting corners for the Patriots next year. It need not be any more complicated than that.

You say he will NOT be. Most EVERYONE else here, in the media and probably within the halls of Pats HQ believe he will be.