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Gawd I hate trade talk
Remember when folks here guaranteed, yes guaranteed we'd get two (2) firsts for Mattie Cassel?
I'm still waiting for that second round draft pick for Brian Hoyer.

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Just curious, I wonder how many Pats fans said that about Bledsoe, Packers fans about Favre or 49'ers fans about Montana.

And no, I'm not comparing Brady to Favre and Bledsoe, just making the point that these transitions have to happen at some time. Now is not that time, but a year, two. This discussion could very well be had then.

Neither Bledsoe nor Favre was the best, or arguably the best, QB in the game at the time they were traded, and neither was a starter in the middle of a potential Super Bowl Season. Also, Brady hasn't been playing the retirement card and pissing off the fan base.

I do agree with you about the years thing, though, although I don't know what the number will be. There will come a time where the "Trade Brady" option will be much more palatable to the Patriots fanbase.
 
Only fan forum where the Guy leading the league in receiving yards is in the trading block.


how about trade wes welker for a 3rd CB of bronco`s. Manning will be unstoppable with WES .
 
Only fan forum where the Guy leading the league in receiving yards is in the trading block.


how about trade wes welker for a 3rd CB of bronco`s. Manning will be unstoppable with WES .

It really isn't.

Talking through a hypothetical is all.
 
It really isn't.

Talking through a hypothetical is all.

I am realist when i say he can net a 2nd rd pick or a CB who is 3rd CB in the picking order.

He has to be given a long term monster contract , so the team which gets him must show some improvement after he is given that contract. That is why think bronco`s will be the candidate. Manning and Wes will be a great combination. If you get him to a crappy team no owner is going to offer a huge contract to see this investment do nothing. manning will be perfect , they get a shot to goto the SB for sure.
 
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I am realist when i say he can net a 2nd rd pick or a CB who is 3rd CB in the picking order.

He has to be given a long term monster contract , so the team which gets him must show some improvement after he is given that contract. That is why think bronco`s will be the candidate. Manning and Wes will be a great combination. If you get him to a crappy team no owner is going to offer a huge contract to see this investment do nothing. manning will be perfect , they get a shot to goto the SB for sure.

Can you imagine Manning (either one)/Welker against our secondary? We would get TORCHED worse than we already do. The humanity.
 
That's a very good point. Anyway we're just talking theoretical and as someone very interested in the draft, those picks would make my interest more..interesting.



Err no he wasn't. He was making the point that a significant trade haul sets a team up for a generation potentially.

Except for the fact that if you compare players of significantly different quality, the analogy makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The Cowboys traded Walker, their only bright spot, because they knew they had to rebuild under Jimmy Johnson and they weren't winning anything with the way they were built at the time. How in the hell does that compare to the situation the Patriots are at right now?
 
Just curious, I wonder how many Pats fans said that about Bledsoe, Packers fans about Favre or 49'ers fans about Montana.

And no, I'm not comparing Brady to Favre and Bledsoe, just making the point that these transitions have to happen at some time. Now is not that time, but a year, two. This discussion could very well be had then.

Care to list the other 450 times a team spent 10+ seasons looking for a good QB after their franchise signal-caller retired/was traded?
 
Any CB's on the block ?
 
Except for the fact that if you compare players of significantly different quality, the analogy makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The Cowboys traded Walker, their only bright spot, because they knew they had to rebuild under Jimmy Johnson and they weren't winning anything with the way they were built at the time. How in the hell does that compare to the situation the Patriots are at right now?

Here's his words:

Cowboys traded this guy named Herschel Walker for a bunch of high draft picks in the late 80s and won 3 Super Bowls in the 90s.

There's nothing there comparing Brady to Walker nor suggesting we trade Brady. All he's saying is that getting a large number of high picks can set you up for a football generation.

Care to list the other 450 times a team spent 10+ seasons looking for a good QB after their franchise signal-caller retired/was traded?

Why would I do that? It's completely irrelevant to my point.


you are taking a hypothetical discussion far too seriously.
 
Here's his words:



There's nothing there comparing Brady to Walker nor suggesting we trade Brady. All he's saying is that getting a large number of high picks can set you up for a football generation.



Why would I do that? It's completely irrelevant to my point.


you are taking a hypothetical discussion far too seriously.

Did you see the post he quoted when he said that? The discussion was about trading Brady, that's the context of his post. By citing the Herschel Walker trade, he's comparing the two situations, which, as explained before, is ridiculous, as they have absolutely nothing in common at all.

And no, my observation isn't irrelevant to your point. The fact is, the vast majority of the time, teams have a great deal of difficulty replacing their franchise QB. You listing the handful of occasions in which a great player at the position was immediately succeeded by another great is misleading. Yes, transitions at the quarterback position have to happen at some point. At the same time, the odds of you ending up with a John Elway/Brian Griese situation are much higher than finding yourself in a Joe Montana/Steve Young one. You think about moving on from Brady when signs of his decline are clear and evident for all to see. There's absolutely no way you can put a time limit on when you'll trade him/cut him or anything like that. Obviously, they have to start preparing a backup for when that time comes, but as long as he's playing at the level he is now, or even 85% or that, you keep him at quarterback, because odds are, you won't be getting the same type of production from his replacement.
 
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Did you see the post he quoted when he said that? The discussion was about trading Brady, that's the context of his post. By citing the Herschel Walker trade, he's comparing the two situations, which, as explained before, is ridiculous, as they have absolutely nothing in common at all.

And no, my observation isn't irrelevant to your point. The fact is, the vast majority of the time, teams have a great deal of difficulty replacing their franchise QB. You listing the handful of occasions in which a great player at the position was immediately succeeded by another great is misleading. Yes, transitions at the quarterback position have to happen at some point. At the same time, the odds of you ending up with a John Elway/Brian Griese situation are much higher than finding yourself in a Joe Montana/Steve Young one.


Well I still read his post as saying that obtaining a King's ransom in a trade is potentially very beneficial in the long-term thus mitigating short term downside. That discussion could be had regardless of the players involved. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

As for the transition:

A) It will have to happen within the next few years

B) BB has shown a tendency to cut loose quite ruthlessly

C) He's smart enough to have a plan in place when the time comes

D) Yes an Elway/Griese situation may happen but I'm sure that if it does, it will be despite BB's plans for the transition rather than because of it. And for that reason it doesn't really concern me. It is what it is.
 
Can you imagine Manning (either one)/Welker against our secondary? We would get TORCHED worse than we already do. The humanity.

Also , he will take the best CB of a team off the outside WR and i see with along with some safety help , the outside guys will also have field day.
 
I am realist when i say he can net a 2nd rd pick or a CB who is 3rd CB in the picking order.

He has to be given a long term monster contract , so the team which gets him must show some improvement after he is given that contract. That is why think bronco`s will be the candidate. Manning and Wes will be a great combination. If you get him to a crappy team no owner is going to offer a huge contract to see this investment do nothing. manning will be perfect , they get a shot to goto the SB for sure.

This is a stupid trade for New England though. Why piss away a chance at the Superbowl, when chances are your comp pick will be a 3rd rounder anyways?? Because we're in the business of helping out the Broncos to become a Superbowl contender? Dumb trade is dumb.
 
As for the transition:

A) It will have to happen within the next few years

We'll see.

C) He's smart enough to have a plan in place when the time comes

A "plan" doesn't throw the ball at an elite level. Top flight QBs don't grow on trees and recent history tells us that they are essential for winning Super Bowls.

By the way, I don't think the "plan" was to have the Patriots almost set the record for defense futility in yards given up last year either (thank you Green Bay!). As they say about the best laid plans...

D) Yes an Elway/Griese situation may happen but I'm sure that if it does, it will be despite BB's plans for the transition rather than because of it. And for that reason it doesn't really concern me. It is what it is.

Yes, it's pretty clear it doesn't concern you. Which doesn't mean that it doesn't concern most of the rest of us who, perhaps, see the obstacles that must be overcome instead of just whistling past the graveyard.
 
We'll see.



A "plan" doesn't throw the ball at an elite level. Top flight QBs don't grow on trees and recent history tells us that they are essential for winning Super Bowls.

By the way, I don't think the "plan" was to have the Patriots almost set the record for defense futility in yards given up last year either (thank you Green Bay!). As they say about the best laid plans...



Yes, it's pretty clear it doesn't concern you. Which doesn't mean that it doesn't concern most of the rest of us who, perhaps, see the obstacles that must be overcome instead of just whistling past the graveyard.

Do you think Brady's going to play until he's 60? That very fact that he's getting older means that the transition will happen in the next few years. There's no "we'll see" about it.

As for being concerned about it, why? You can't do anything about it. Bill Belichick however can. I tend to trust him to make the right decision, do you?
 
Did you see the post he quoted when he said that? The discussion was about trading Brady, that's the context of his post. By citing the Herschel Walker trade, he's comparing the two situations, which, as explained before, is ridiculous, as they have absolutely nothing in common at all.

And no, my observation isn't irrelevant to your point. The fact is, the vast majority of the time, teams have a great deal of difficulty replacing their franchise QB. You listing the handful of occasions in which a great player at the position was immediately succeeded by another great is misleading. Yes, transitions at the quarterback position have to happen at some point. At the same time, the odds of you ending up with a John Elway/Brian Griese situation are much higher than finding yourself in a Joe Montana/Steve Young one. You think about moving on from Brady when signs of his decline are clear and evident for all to see. There's absolutely no way you can put a time limit on when you'll trade him/cut him or anything like that. Obviously, they have to start preparing a backup for when that time comes, but as long as he's playing at the level he is now, or even 85% or that, you keep him at quarterback, because odds are, you won't be getting the same type of production from his replacement.

You're arguing about implicit context in regards to a post I quoted? Manxman is correct, btw.
 
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