Message To All The McCourty Haters

[Ring 6]

By what metric? Lol, he has been lucky not to have been worked like a cheap home all season long...a few good pd's here and there, but how many times had he been beat? Better yet, how many times had the receiver clearly beaten him?

A qualified qb torched him for three+ touchdowns instead of under throwing open receivers twice (both pics, go watch). I feel like he is a bomb that can go off at any time, good or bad.

That is the absolute worst analysis Ive seen.
He hasn't been beaten deep all season, although he had one pi, and your analsis is he should have been beaten deep
To pile on you are calling perfectly played Ints negative plays.
Someone is watching through agenda colored glasses.

 

[Ring 6]

Tennessee, Cardinals and, bar that final drive, Baltimore.

Also, you're clueless on that second pick. That takes a tremendous amount of ball skills to beat the receiver to undercutting that under thrown route.

Go watch every game again. Jesus.

And the coverage on the 1st was excellent. That is what is stupid here. The corner plays the technique perfectly, baits a throw that he can close on, and by being underwthrown, its a pick, and people want to criticize it.
Who are all those corners getting Ints on balls perfectly thrown to the receiver?

 

[pwes]

Regardless if a camera was there he didn't have to say ANYTHING about it. I think the fact he did speaks volumes. I doubt anyone prodded him to give a soundbite about McCourty and that is what he came up with.

 

[Triumph]

True, except that's not relevant here. It's not like he's staying silent. He went out of his way to back one of his players who he feels is being unfairly criticized by people who don't know jack s***.

BB wasnt silent about Ocho, Maroney, Butler, Donald Hayes, Terry Glenn.

My remarks are totally relevant. Do you mean to tell me that BB wasnt asked about those players? He most definitely was and BB spread the good cheer about how hard they were working in practice to get better.

As Ive said before, when McCourty picks the pocket of QBs like Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, then I will buy in to all the hype that he has turned the corner. Ryan Fitzpatrick having one of his meltdowns doesnt impress me.

 

[Rob0729]

By what metric? Lol, he has been lucky not to have been worked like a cheap home all season long...a few good pd's here and there, but how many times had he been beat? Better yet, how many times had the receiver clearly beaten him?

A qualified qb torched him for three+ touchdowns instead of under throwing open receivers twice (both pics, go watch). I feel like he is a bomb that can go off at any time, good or bad.

Please name all the times he was clearly beaten? I can think of two or three times all season and one of them he came up with the INT.

McCourty was torched once or twice in the Ravens' game and then played a key role in shutting Larry Fitzgerald down on his worst game since his rookie year and Steve Johnson last week.

McCourty has played solid coverage all year with a few exceptions. But in some hypothetical theory that he faced Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison circa 2004, he would have gotten torched.

 

[fightingirish595]

there was a chart i saw that showed mccourty is having his best start in all 3 years. anyway the PI in the baltimore game was the right. but i think e can all agree the hold was phantom as it gets. i often notice that when mccourtey messes up, hes usually right there with the receiver, but then he cant find the ball. he has to learn how to finish

 

[Ring 6]

there was a chart i saw that showed mccourty is having his best start in all 3 years. anyway the PI in the baltimore game was the right. but i think e can all agree the hold was phantom as it gets. i often notice that when mccourtey messes up, hes usually right there with the receiver, but then he cant find the ball. he has to learn how to finish

For whatever reason, last year he was often beaten deep, and what you see as not looking for the ball, was unable to look for the ball because he has too much ground to close. Looking up for the ball when the receivers is 3 steps ahead of you is pointless.
The PI was an example of that, but it wasn't a skill or technique issue, IMO, it was that he took a situation gamble that was logical, but ultimately wrong and sat on the sticks thinking the WR wouldn't go deep in that situation. It was a tremendously risky play for Bmore. A low percentage throw in a situation where an incomplete pass probably would have cost them the game.
In the same situation all over again, I would have no problem with Mccourty taking the same gamble. You can't really say forcing a low percentage throw is a bad move because it worked one time.

 

[Ring 6]

McCourty was torched once or twice in the Ravens' game and then played a key role in shutting Larry Fitzgerald down on his worst game since his rookie year and Steve Johnson last week.

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I agree with the point of your post, but here is also part of the misconception.
If you study the film, there were 2 plays on that last Bmore drive that seem to be what you are referring to.
They weren't good plays, but torched is a terrible characterization.
One the first, after a bunch of deep routes all day, including one he dropped an Int on, they ran an intentional underthrow up the sideline. Sure he overplayed the deep route, but a completion on an intentional underthrow on a go route is not being 'torched'.
On the PI, it is blatantly obvious from the film and the situation that it was an error of plan, not execution. He is covering based upon the situation. Its 3rd and 9 from the 34, up 2, vs a rookie FG K.
5 yards is very important. 9 yards is devastating. An incompletion is probably a Patriot win.
You cannot ever convince me that overplaying the short throw and the sticks and taking the chance at the low percentage throw in that situation is not a smart move. Now, the criticism that he was not under control when closing on the receiver and there was no value in risking PI instead of chancing he wouldn't make the catch, is valid, but again, 'torched' is an awful description of what really happened.
Were you talking about other plays than those?

 

[Raymond]

.......... when McCourty picks the pocket of QBs like Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, then I will buy in to all the hype that he has turned the corner. Ryan Fitzpatrick having one of his meltdowns doesnt impress me.

Well, considering none of those QB's are on the Pats schedule, McCourty apparently has no shot of having a good year regardless of how he plays.

 

[Patriots Nation NY]

some of you mofos need some cocaine n hookers I tell ya ... There is always a conspiracy behind everything ... geez, Felgah Syndrome..

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

This thread should have been posted after McCourty faces QBs that are NOT mediocre or unproven yet.......Locker,Kolb,Flacco and Fitzpatrick are hardly QBs you can base your progress on.

Peyton Manning,neck problem or not,is one that will define McCourty's coverage improvement or non improvement this year.

If Devin's man has a career game,then it's back to square one for him and his fans.

I can guarantee that if the Pats make the playoffs,of the 4 QBs so far,only Flacco may return.

 

[Rob0729]

This thread should have been posted after McCourty faces QBs that are NOT mediocre or unproven yet.......Locker,Kolb,Flacco and Fitzpatrick are hardly QBs you can base your progress on.

Peyton Manning,neck problem or not,is one that will define McCourty's coverage improvement or non improvement this year.

If Devin's man has a career game,then it's back to square one for him and his fans.

I can guarantee that if the Pats make the playoffs,of the 4 QBs so far,only Flacco may return.

I don't know if I 100% agree with this. If he has faced three good to great WRs and done a very good job with all of them other than a handful of plays. If he is blanketing a Larry Fitzgerald (he had double team help) and showing good to great technique on those plays, it doesn't matter as much who the QB is. I think people are dismissing the WRs he has faced because of the QBs he faced.

Obviously, facing a great to elite QB makes the test even greater for a CB, but you take away the Pats' game and Fitzgerald is still heading for a 1248 yard and 8 TD season and Kolb has been his QB since the fourth quarter of week 1. And McCourty (with help a lot of the times) held him to one catch for four yards. That is a good test of his abilities.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't know if I 100% agree with this. If he has faced three good to great WRs and done a very good job with all of them other than a handful of plays. If he is blanketing a Larry Fitzgerald (he had double team help) and showing good to great technique on those plays, it doesn't matter as much who the QB is. I think people are dismissing the WRs he has faced because of the QBs he faced.

Obviously, facing a great to elite QB makes the test even greater for a CB, but you take away the Pats' game and Fitzgerald is still heading for a 1248 yard and 8 TD season and Kolb has been his QB since the fourth quarter of week 1. And McCourty (with help a lot of the times) held him to one catch for four yards. That is a good test of his abilities.

1.) McCourty's defenders have wildly overrated the job he did in the Buffalo game

2.) McCourty's defenders have wildly underrated just how bad he was in the Baltimore game after the first couple of drives

3.) When you're getting consistent/constant double team help, you're not shutting down your man.


That's 3 of the 4 games, right there. If McCourty was playing for the Jets, pretty much everyone defending him on this forum would, instead, be gutting him like a fish.

 

[Rob0729]

1.) McCourty's defenders have wildly overrated the job he did in the Buffalo game

2.) McCourty's defenders have wildly underrated just how bad he was in the Baltimore game after the first couple of drives

3.) When you're getting consistent/constant double team help, you're not shutting down your man.


That's 3 of the 4 games, right there. If McCourty was playing for the Jets, pretty much everyone defending him on this forum would, instead, be gutting him like a fish.

1.) McCourty hater/critics wildly overrate how bad he was in Baltimore. The broadcast highlighted him multiple times showing perfect coverage and bumping his man at the line of scrimmage knocking him off his route.

2.) McCourty hater/critics wildly underrate how good he was in Buffalo. BTW, I have said he was beat on his first INT which would have been his worst play of the game if the ball was not underthrown. Otherwise, he had a solid game.

3.) Fitzgerald is double teamed on almost every down of almost every game. The double team with having over the top safety help doesn't mean he isn't locking his man. Heck, even though they always denied it, Revis constantly ad help with the double team vs. Moss. Yet he gets credit for locking down his man when he does.

 

[Uncle Rico]

1.) McCourty's defenders have wildly overrated the job he did in the Buffalo game

2.) McCourty's defenders have wildly underrated just how bad he was in the Baltimore game after the first couple of drives

3.) When you're getting consistent/constant double team help, you're not shutting down your man.


That's 3 of the 4 games, right there. If McCourty was playing for the Jets, pretty much everyone defending him on this forum would, instead, be gutting him like a fish.

Sounds to me like Belichick is one of those defenders ...

 

[Deus Irae]

1.) McCourty hater/critics wildly overrate how bad he was in Baltimore. The broadcast highlighted him multiple times showing perfect coverage and bumping his man at the line of scrimmage knocking him off his route.

No, they haven't, because making a few good plays, or even several, is not the mark of good CB play. It's about high percentage, not just some success.

McCourty was awful in that Ravens game.

2.) McCourty hater/critics wildly underrate how good he was in Buffalo. BTW, I have said he was beat on his first INT which would have been his worst play of the game if the ball was not underthrown. Otherwise, he had a solid game.

No, they don't, and just trying to spin my points doesn't do anything for your position. McCourty was beaten on both of his INTs, and he was beaten on other plays as well.

3.) Fitzgerald is double teamed on almost every down of almost every game. The double team with having over the top safety help doesn't mean he isn't locking his man. Heck, even though they always denied it, Revis constantly ad help with the double team vs. Moss. Yet he gets credit for locking down his man when he does.

Many, including many among the dreaded "mediots", were saying that Revis wasn't actually shutting down Moss on his own. Revis wasn't shutting Moss down (a position I took at the time, which you can go back to verify), and McCourty wasn't shutting Fitzgerald down. I'll leave this section at that.

 

[Danger Zone]

The coach/GM supports his player when there's a camera on?

Shocking development.

Deus Irae making a snarky, condescending comment?

Double shocking

 

[Deus Irae]

Sounds to me like Belichick is one of those defenders ...

While I'm sure BB is a McCourty defender, given that he's got him as his starter and kept him in the lineup all last season despite his struggles, pumping McCourty's tires publicly doesn't really prove that with him. He pumps the tires of all of his players publicly, sometimes not long before he cuts them loose.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deus Irae making a snarky, condescending comment?

Double shocking

Danger Zone coming along to nip at my heels? Upping the shock level to heights previously unknown.


The O.P.'s post was a dig at everyone who's been down on McCourty, and this was a thread that should never have been started, particularly by a Mod. Go yip at him.

 

[Danger Zone]

Danger Zone coming along to nip at my heels? Upping the shock level to heights previously unknown.


The O.P.'s post was a dig at everyone who's been down on McCourty, and this was a thread that should never have been started, particularly by a Mod. Go yip at him.

I just like to call people on their I-can-read-Belichicks-mind pessimissms.

Example: Belichick cant actually like this guy. I can quote stats to prove it!

Belichick is just using psy-ops because the camera is rolling.

Maybe sometimes when Belichick compliments someone... he means it?