Bedard's film review and grades for Baltimore game

[Deus Irae]

I forgot the golden rule of this board, Deus Irae's analysis is always right and anyone who disagrees with his opinion either has a hidden agenda that makes all their opinions biased and inaccurate or to stupid to understand what went on.

I'm done with this this ridiculous argument with you.

Of course, you're doing precisely of what you're accusing me of doing....

 

[Rob0729]

Of course, you're doing precisely of what you're accusing me of doing....

Never questioned or insulted your analysis of the game.

I have an issue with you claiming Bedard has an agenda to pump up McCourty to push his issue that the new NFL has passed Belichick by in terms of coverages. That is the only thing I questioned. That was unwarranted and uncalled for in my opinion since Bedard has been a critic of McCourty.

You need to tear down anyone who disagrees with your opinion to dismiss them as having an agenda or just too dumb to give a proper analysis.

Now I am done with that. I have no time for such silliness.

 

[Deus Irae]

Never questioned or insulted your analysis of the game.

I have an issue with you claiming Bedard has an agenda to pump up McCourty to push his issue that the new NFL has passed Belichick by in terms of coverages. That is the only thing I questioned. That was unwarranted and uncalled for in my opinion since Bedard has been a critic of McCourty.

You need to tear down anyone who disagrees with your opinion to dismiss them as having an agenda or just too dumb to give a proper analysis.

Now I am done with that. I have no time for such silliness.

First, I didn't claim it was agenda driven. I said that it reeked of something that was either agenda or stubbornness. I even fleshed out the notion of stubbornness more than agenda. You took something I said and made it seem as if it was my entire argument when it wasn't. So, really, if you've got an issue, it should be with yourself.

Second, I do my best to be intellectually honest. I don't pimp PFF when it's anti-Patriots and I don't pimp it when it's Pro-Patriots (I even stopped using it as a 'for those who do follow PFF' argument, because I didn't want to be seen as using it when it suited me even though that wasn't why I was using it to respond to them). Pete Prisco is an idiot no matter what his position is, etc... And, when it comes to Bedard, I've been saying that he's hit or miss on this stuff for some time and, as to his stubbornness/agenda, one need only look back to the Welker SB drop to see it.

Third, and hopefully last, Paul Perillo just said that he thinks McCourty's performance was much closer to Curran's take than to Bedard's, and he pointed out plays where the ball wasn't thrown to McCourty's man, just as I pointed out.

 

[BananaRepublican]

he's supposed to be neutrally analyzing.

But still he has to have an opinion and stick with it or why have it?

Reiss is neutral. Reiss is so neutral that he ends up saying nothing.

I know a lot of guys hate Steven A. and that crew but at least they make conclusions and stick with them. It's our job to either come aboard or not but at least they don't give you a ticket that says "China or Europe, depending".

 

[Deus Irae]

But still he has to have an opinion and stick with it or why have it?

Reiss is neutral. Reiss is so neutral that he ends up saying nothing.

I know a lot of guys hate Steven A. and that crew but at least they make conclusions and stick with them. It's our job to either come aboard or not but at least they don't give you a ticket that says "China or Europe, depending".

Opinions on matters of pure opinion are great, and sticking to your opinion after analysis, until convinced otherwise is fine, IMO. When you're in the process of analyzing, though, you're supposed to be as neutral and unbiased as possible. Bedard has shown that not to be a strong suit of his, IMO, and the Welker drop is a pretty good example of that, again IMO.

As a comparison, Perillo noted not only the bad plays made by McCourty on balls thrown his way, but also on plays where the ball wasn't thrown his way. He didn't just analyze 6 plays and pretend that a safety missing a tackle is a good excuse for McCourty deciding not to make a real effort at tackling the guy the safety missed.

 

[cstjohn17]

One thing that bothered me was when Spikes was left to cover either a TE or RB. He is the slowest LB in the league, Hightower or Mayo would have been better matchups.

Other themes:

• the front seven started strong against the run but got weaker as the game went on
• the secondary looked pretty poor
• the defensive scheme was very vanilla, rush four every play, no disguise, no pressure

 

[captain stone]

Not only were they rushing 4 all night, but those 4 included Wilfork, who has not come close
to getting a sack all year long.
For the love of Satan, Bill, get Wilfork off the feckin field on passing situations, please.
The entire defensive game plan reminded me of one used during pre-season: no blitzes,
no zone dogs, no personnel shake-ups, no nothing.

And if I see another hand-off to Woody up the middle, during which he is tackled by a stiff breeze
for 2 yards, it will be way, way too soon.

 

[Ring 6]

Not only were they rushing 4 all night, but those 4 included Wilfork, who has not come close
to getting a sack all year long.
For the love of Satan, Bill, get Wilfork off the feckin field on passing situations, please.
The entire defensive game plan reminded me of one used during pre-season: no blitzes,
no zone dogs, no personnel shake-ups, no nothing.

And if I see another hand-off to Woody up the middle, during which he is tackled by a stiff breeze
for 2 yards, it will be way, way too soon.

Wait, you should be signing BBs praises, because you expected the Patriots to get shut out and lose 34-0.
How can you criticize when they exceeded your expectations so dramatically?
Must have been the best coaching job of BBs career, no?

 

[Ring 6]

One thing that bothered me was when Spikes was left to cover either a TE or RB. He is the slowest LB in the league, Hightower or Mayo would have been better matchups.

Other themes:

• the front seven started strong against the run but got weaker as the game went on
• the secondary looked pretty poor
• the defensive scheme was very vanilla, rush four every play, no disguise, no pressure

Ian did a breakdown, and I believe they completed 1 pass with Spikes in coverage. Not sure how that is an issue.

 

[Ring 6]

First, I didn't claim it was agenda driven. I said that it reeked of something that was either agenda or stubbornness. I even fleshed out the notion of stubbornness more than agenda. You took something I said and made it seem as if it was my entire argument when it wasn't. So, really, if you've got an issue, it should be with yourself.

Second, I do my best to be intellectually honest. I don't pimp PFF when it's anti-Patriots and I don't pimp it when it's Pro-Patriots (I even stopped using it as a 'for those who do follow PFF' argument, because I didn't want to be seen as using it when it suited me even though that wasn't why I was using it to respond to them). Pete Prisco is an idiot no matter what his position is, etc... And, when it comes to Bedard, I've been saying that he's hit or miss on this stuff for some time and, as to his stubbornness/agenda, one need only look back to the Welker SB drop to see it.

Third, and hopefully last, Paul Perillo just said that he thinks McCourty's performance was much closer to Curran's take than to Bedard's, and he pointed out plays where the ball wasn't thrown to McCourty's man, just as I pointed out.

How did you judge McCourtys play on balls not thrown to him?
Of course even if you could that is a very specious analysis to begin with.
You call Bedard stubborn, but honestly you are grasping at any way you can to put McCourty in a negative light as well.

 

[captain stone]

Wait, you should be signing BBs praises, because you expected the Patriots to get shut out and lose 34-0.
How can you criticize when they exceeded your expectations so dramatically?
Must have been the best coaching job of BBs career, no?

I once again underestimated the Patsies' ability to score early, then fold like a rented beach chair
when the going gets tough in the 4th quarter.

 

[Ring 6]

I once again underestimated the Patsies' ability to score early, then fold like a rented beach chair
when the going gets tough in the 4th quarter.

No, you predicted they would get shut out.
Be a man, rather than calling the team Patsies, admit you were wrong, especially since YOU explicitly said when you made that prediction that someones crediblity would be destroyed. Who's was?

 

[letekro]

AJ on a rampage in here. Hide the women and children.

 

[Joker]

you know what I'd LOVE to read here at Pats fans?...someone who IS in the print/vid sports media breaking down the quirks, pecadilloes and little agendas of the other writers he works with and knows well. It'd be really nice to have someone who knows, someone who is there at ground zero, someone who has shot the shizznit with others in his profession telling us..."well, you know "G" is a very professional reporter and class guy but he has this thing about the Pats O line"...or " 'J is a close friend but his man love for BB leads him to be less critical when criticism is warranted.."

Look, we KNOW you know, Prentice....you know WE don't go around blowing covers and ratting...we just want to know some of the juicy pan drippings behind the whole roast beef dinner every Sunday...we read things that make this site go viral because people in your profession say things that don't quite match everyone's life experiences...we would just like to know why...maybe "B" got snubbed for a post season press appreciation dinner by Kraft and now makes Krafty Bob's sex life an ongoing line in his columns...you know..the little human quirks that are the spice of life...give us a taste, Prentice....

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

That's not the difference at all. I've criticized writers regardless of my agreement or disagreement with their position.

In the Sunday night game, there were 6 significant negative plays for McCourty counting the two missed INTs, and that's just on the plays he was involved in. You can pretend that's a good day at the office. McCourty knows better, as do most people.

This is where Bedard and I part company. He doesn't appear to factor in the missed INTs and I don't agree with that methodology. 95% of CBs will allow a number of passes/gains. The modern game is too slanted to the offense for a CB to be shutdown (a few may exist but it is rare). The BIG equalizer is INTs. A CB's ability to catch is a damn important requirement for the position.

Let's say DM at his base is an average CB. Maybe he'll have 8 good plays but will also have 4 bad plays. Now add in that he will snatch his INT opportunities. DM makes that 1 relatively easy INT and those 4 plays are often going to be acceptable (unless, of course, the 4 plays consist of really big gains or outright TD plays). If he also makes the more difficult (but still catchable) INT, DM's performance is a defensive standout. 1 INT may have been enough to be the difference in the game; the second INT would for certain been the difference in the game.

IMHO, when you're a CB who has two passes hit you in the hands and drop them both, and to go with that you have 4 bad plays such as the the last drive PI? You were part of the problem. Catch those damn INTs!!!!

 

[pdangle]

How did you judge McCourtys play on balls not thrown to him?
Of course even if you could that is a very specious analysis to begin with.
You call Bedard stubborn, but honestly you are grasping at any way you can to put McCourty in a negative light as well.

Of course this is possible. Off the top, a similar inference could be made from the fact that the top CBs in the league see significant fewer passes thrown their way than at their lesser colleagues. Of course -ahem- they break up a much higher percentage of those plays

In any case, I think it might even be safe from message board attack to say McCourty didn't have a great day at the office. But I wouldn't bet on it... the safe from attack that is...

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

No, you predicted they would get shut out.
Be a man, rather than calling the team Patsies, admit you were wrong, especially since YOU explicitly said when you made that prediction that someones crediblity would be destroyed. Who's was?

AJ, you have got to be kidding? Posts that used the word "patsies" and say the Patriots would get shut out......and you expect there to be a follow up that will include credibility? :bricks: