Booth Reviews in the last two minutes?????

[Alfred]

On booth reviews in the last two minutes of the half, and the game, is it just touchdowns that automatically get reviewed or is it field goals, too?

Doesnt the rule say all scoring plays, or does it say just touchdowns?

If it is ALL scoring plays, then shouldn't the Ravens field goal automatically been reviewed and then Belichick wouldn't have had to chase the official off the field?

 

[Wolfpack]

On booth reviews in the last two minutes of the half, and the game, is it just touchdowns that automatically get reviewed or is it field goals, too?

Doesnt the rule say all scoring plays, or does it say just touchdowns?

If it is ALL scoring plays, then shouldn't the Ravens field goal automatically been reviewed and then Belichick wouldn't have had to chase the official off the field?

All scoring plays at all points in the game are subject to automatic review (meaning they can't be challenged by the coaches, but the booth rings down if they want it reviewed). However, you can't review a FG when the ball goes up and over the uprights, which is what happened here.

Of course, I've been saying for years they should make those darn goalposts a couple feet taller for these exact situations.......

 

[Fixit]

Apparently, the rule is that it's not reviewable if it goes over the post.

 

[Alfred]

Apparently, the rule is that it's not reviewable if it goes over the post.

I thought I had read somewhere that if it DOES go over the crossbar it IS reviewable if the officials have called it "good" and that those that have not gone over the cross bar are not reviewable. So, IMO, when the officials ruled it good, saying it DID go over the crossbar,and between the uprights, it should have been automatically reviewed.

Am I wrong?

 

[Wolfpack]

I thought I had read somewhere that if it DOES go over the crossbar it IS reviewable if the officials have called it "good" and that those that have not gone over the cross bar are not reviewable. So, IMO, when the officials ruled it good, saying it DID go over the crossbar,and between the uprights, it should have been automatically reviewed.

Am I wrong?

The crossbar is the horizontal bar at the bottom of the big yellow "U" formed when you look at the goalposts. Yes, they can review if a kick went over the crossbar.

The uprights are the tall posts extending straight up. If the ball goes over those, that is not subject to review. That actually makes sense since there's really no way someone could conclusively draw an imaginary line straight up from the uprights to determine where and when the ball passed that imaginary line.

 

[UK_Pat37]

As said, they can review if a kick went over the bar or not, but to where the ball was in relation to the post as they're unable to tell where the ball is at the time it passes over the crossbar. The technology isn't there to be 100% accurate on review...which it needs to be if they're going to make it reviewable.

They can however review a play between the uprights. I can't remember who it was by a game tying kick was made and it appeared to hit the crossbar and bounce off of it...making it no good. However it had actually hit the support on he other side (just) and bounced back out. The refs reviewed it and made the correct call by revering the on field decision.

 

[Joker]

here it is...

Strangest Field Goal Ever - Video

 

[UK_Pat37]

here it is...

Strangest Field Goal Ever - Video

Going by that, it was just a discussion...not an official review...so the Browns were lucky they wound up getting the call right!

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Ridiculous! Just review ALL scoring plays 2 mins left. Everytime there'sa a loop hole or a gray area in a rule it ALWAYS winds up showin its ugly face and costing one team a win also not sure if they did already but puttin a camera on both sides of endzone to determine if a player crosses goal line wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Gwedd]

The crossbar is the horizontal bar at the bottom of the big yellow "U" formed when you look at the goalposts. Yes, they can review if a kick went over the crossbar.

The uprights are the tall posts extending straight up. If the ball goes over those, that is not subject to review. That actually makes sense since there's really no way someone could conclusively draw an imaginary line straight up from the uprights to determine where and when the ball passed that imaginary line.

Actually, there is. All you would need to do is install what would amount to a laser pointer in the center of each upright, aligned to point straight up. Connect it to a relay to signal the booth, and perhaps a green light at the top of each upright. When (if) the ball passes through the beam of light, the signal is activated showing proof positive that the attempt was good.

The costs would be minimal, and it would work in both indoor and outdoor stadiums. You could even have a cap like the ones on top of semi-truck exhausts to keep the lights clear of snow, sleet, etc, and have it linked to open when the nets are raised behind the goalposts.

Again, a viable, easy to design and install system that would be of minimal costs and be proof positive of the outcome of any PAT or FG attempt.

V/R

 

[Gwedd]

here it is...

Strangest Field Goal Ever - Video

Oh lord, I remember that game too. There were a couple other calls like that during it IIRC. BUT, in the end the Refs got it right.

 

[WhiZa]

As said, they can review if a kick went over the bar or not, but to where the ball was in relation to the post as they're unable to tell where the ball is at the time it passes over the crossbar. The technology isn't there to be 100% accurate on review...which it needs to be if they're going to make it reviewable.

They can however review a play between the uprights. I can't remember who it was by a game tying kick was made and it appeared to hit the crossbar and bounce off of it...making it no good. However it had actually hit the support on he other side (just) and bounced back out. The refs reviewed it and made the correct call by revering the on field decision.

How hard would it be to put a camera looking straight up on the goal post? amirite?

Nothing will happen this year, but next year it should definitely be brought up. Either make the goal post higher or utilize the technology to make the proper call. Too many field goals are kicked that decide the outcome of games not to

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Actually, there is. All you would need to do is install what would amount to a laser pointer in the center of each upright, aligned to point straight up. Connect it to a relay to signal the booth, and perhaps a green light at the top of each upright. When (if) the ball passes through the beam of light, the signal is activated showing proof positive that the attempt was good.

The costs would be minimal, and it would work in both indoor and outdoor stadiums. You could even have a cap like the ones on top of semi-truck exhausts to keep the lights clear of snow, sleet, etc, and have it linked to open when the nets are raised behind the goalposts.

Again, a viable, easy to design and install system that would be of minimal costs and be proof positive of the outcome of any PAT or FG attempt.

V/R

Actually, Goodell doesn't want goalposts with lasers.

He wants sharks with "lasers" mounted on their heads deep in his secret mountain lair.

 

[Pujo]

Actually, there is. All you would need to do is install what would amount to a laser pointer in the center of each upright, aligned to point straight up. Connect it to a relay to signal the booth, and perhaps a green light at the top of each upright. When (if) the ball passes through the beam of light, the signal is activated showing proof positive that the attempt was good.

The costs would be minimal, and it would work in both indoor and outdoor stadiums. You could even have a cap like the ones on top of semi-truck exhausts to keep the lights clear of snow, sleet, etc, and have it linked to open when the nets are raised behind the goalposts.

Again, a viable, easy to design and install system that would be of minimal costs and be proof positive of the outcome of any PAT or FG attempt.

V/R

That's not how lasers work. You need a receiver that can register whether the laser beam was interrupted, just shining a laser at the sky doesn't tell you whether anything went through the beam.

I suppose they could use a fog machine so that you could actually see the beam, but that would be weird.

 

[Funktopus]

I bet they could eliminate a majority of this type of situation by extending the goal posts up just a little more.

 

[Gwedd]

That's not how lasers work. You need a receiver that can register whether the laser beam was interrupted, just shining a laser at the sky doesn't tell you whether anything went through the beam.

I suppose they could use a fog machine so that you could actually see the beam, but that would be weird.

Yes you can do this. The ball, passing through, would momentarily reflect the light and any number of sensors at the top of the goalpost would catch that reflection and could trigger the appropriate signal. At the speed that light and electricity travels, it would be near instantaneous for the sensors to compute the position of the ball based upon the reflected light's angle and the time difference between it's arriving at the various sensors. Just like figuring GPS coordinates. Just like the sensors I used to compute target positions based upon sonar returns.

It would be fairly inexpensive to design and install. All that it would really depend upon is the NFL's willingness to do it.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Laser ranging reflectors could be used one pair inside and one outside each post.
If the rule is that 100% of the ball must be inside the posts the lasers can be compared and if the outside rangefinder get a hit it's not a FG.

Alternatively 2 small cameras mounted on the crossbar just inside the posts pointing upwards. I'm sure that a week's thought by capable engineers would come up with robust easy to implement solutions. The technology is available, simple and inexpensive for a franchise.

 

[Pujo]

Yes you can do this. The ball, passing through, would momentarily reflect the light and any number of sensors at the top of the goalpost would catch that reflection and could trigger the appropriate signal. At the speed that light and electricity travels, it would be near instantaneous for the sensors to compute the position of the ball based upon the reflected light's angle and the time difference between it's arriving at the various sensors. Just like figuring GPS coordinates. Just like the sensors I used to compute target positions based upon sonar returns.

It would be fairly inexpensive to design and install. All that it would really depend upon is the NFL's willingness to do it.

You'd have to have sensors everywhere since the ball could reflect the laser in any direction (not even necessarily to the ground, it could reflect the lasers into the crowd... which is a whole other problem if someone's vision was impacted because of a stray beam).

 

[Funktopus]

You'd have to have sensors everywhere since the ball could reflect the laser in any direction (not even necessarily to the ground, it could reflect the lasers into the crowd... which is a whole other problem if someone's vision was impacted because of a stray beam).

What happens when they start throwing snowballs at the laser in Philly, or their own excrement in Oakland?

 

[Zeus]

Laser ranging reflectors could be used one pair inside and one outside each post.
If the rule is that 100% of the ball must be inside the posts the lasers can be compared and if the outside rangefinder get a hit it's not a FG.

Alternatively 2 small cameras mounted on the crossbar just inside the posts pointing upwards. I'm sure that a week's thought by capable engineers would come up with robust easy to implement solutions. The technology is available, simple and inexpensive for a franchise.

This would cost money that the owners clearly cannot spare in these tough economic times. Now if the lasers could be used to project advertising ...