What DB do you like?

[carolinatony]

We all know we still need a better pass rush but lets be real, Our secondary is one of the worst in the league.
Anyone you see out there that can make a impact if we draft late 20's?

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: T.J. McDonald
has us taking Safety USC T.J. McDonald, 6-3/205

Career Recap: McDonald made his presence felt in his first season as a starter in 2010. He led USC in tackles with 89, including three tackles for a loss, four passes broken up, three interceptions and a blocked punt. He was named an All-Pac-10 Second-Team selection. McDonald then had a solid junior year with 67 tackles with three interceptions, two passes broken up and a blocked kick. He had two interceptions against Arizona quarterback Nick Foles.

McDonald is a hard hitter and physical defender. He drew a half-game suspension for a hit during USC's triple overtime loss to Stanford. McDonald could have been a late first-round or second-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, but decided to return for his senior campaign.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Dion Jordan

 

[mayoclinic]

Dion Jordan

Word. Jordan will be an All Pro, and his versatility is unreal.

Give me Bjoern Werner or Jesse Williams and Jordan, and there will be no reason the Pats' D shouldn't be doing what Seattle's D did to Green Bay last night on a regular basis.

 

[BritPat]

Jonathan Banks looks as good as any corner in the nation, even David Amerson.

We know how much BB loves his SEC guys too.....

 

[patsfaninpa]

Word. Jordan will be an All Pro, and his versatility is unreal.

Give me Bjoern Werner or Jesse Williams and Jordan, and there will be no reason the Pats' D shouldn't be doing what Seattle's D did to Green Bay last night on a regular basis.

Improve the pass rush. DE in Round 1. I'm leaning towards letting Chung walk. He just can't play the ball. Do you try McCourty at safety for a year before allowing him to walk also? I like Kenny Vaccaro from Texas as a S if you want to keep McCourty at cb. In Round 2. Then, hit the ol.

 

[manxman2601]

Kyle Fuller, Viginia Tech. A Junior but plays like Dre Kirkpatrick with better coverage skills. Also like Florida's Matt Elam as a safety.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Word. Jordan will be an All Pro, and his versatility is unreal.

Give me Bjoern Werner or Jesse Williams and Jordan, and there will be no reason the Pats' D shouldn't be doing what Seattle's D did to Green Bay last night on a regular basis.

He's the ultimate chess piece, the Aaron Hernandez of the defense.

 

[manxman2601]

He's the ultimate chess piece, the Aaron Hernandez of the defense.

My worry is that he's someone without a position. There's certain yardsticks BB likes from his defensive starters on the front 7 and most of those involve being big enough to seal the edge and defend the run and that's where I think Jordan falls down as a Pats prospect. Sure, he'd be great as a rotational "chess piece" player but I'm not sure we take one of those in the first two rounds and Jordan with his athleticism probably won't make it past pick 64.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

My worry is that he's someone without a position. There's certain yardsticks BB likes from his defensive starters on the front 7 and most of those involve being big enough to seal the edge and defend the run and that's where I think Jordan falls down as a Pats prospect. Sure, he'd be great as a rotational "chess piece" player but I'm not sure we take one of those in the first two rounds and Jordan with his athleticism probably won't make it past pick 64.

Yeah that's certainly a possibility, but he also likes length, versatility, and athleticism. Maybe BB will draft him as a CB. He's the perfect mold of a player to shut down the Jimmy Grahams of the NFL. We are probably going to need a new slot corner when Arrington gets paid.

He's probably better suited as an OLB in a 3-4, than a DE in a 4-3 like the Pats, but if there's a coach in the league I'd like to see get a player like Jordan, it's BB.

I figure Jordan can play DE in the 42 and 41, slot CB in the 42 and 41, money back in the 42, MLB in the 41, and a sub-rusher in any defense. That's plenty of time on the field without a set position.

 

[mayoclinic]

He's the ultimate chess piece, the Aaron Hernandez of the defense.

My worry is that he's someone without a position. There's certain yardsticks BB likes from his defensive starters on the front 7 and most of those involve being big enough to seal the edge and defend the run and that's where I think Jordan falls down as a Pats prospect. Sure, he'd be great as a rotational "chess piece" player but I'm not sure we take one of those in the first two rounds and Jordan with his athleticism probably won't make it past pick 64.

Yeah that's certainly a possibility, but he also likes length, versatility, and athleticism. Maybe BB will draft him as a CB. He's the perfect mold of a player to shut down the Jimmy Grahams of the NFL. We are probably going to need a new slot corner when Arrington gets paid.

He's probably better suited as an OLB in a 3-4, than a DE in a 4-3 like the Pats, but if there's a coach in the league I'd like to see get a player like Jordan, it's BB.

I figure Jordan can play DE in the 42 and 41, slot CB in the 42 and 41, money back in the 42, MLB in the 41, and a sub-rusher in any defense. That's plenty of time on the field without a set position.

The NFL has many players who didn't work out as pure fits one place only to succeed spectacularly elsewhere. I love the comparison of Jordan as a defensive Aaron Hernandez. He's a guy who can be moved all over the field to create mayhem, even if he doesn't necessarily quite fit one place. I think he could be one of the biggest impact players in the NFL.

 

[Avenger]

Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska, one of the most underrated defenders in the country. Hard hitter, forces fumbles. Has a bit of Rodney Harrison in him.

 

[Off The Grid]

Roger Goodell is my nomination for DB of the Millenium.

 

[fightingirish595]

My worry is that he's someone without a position. There's certain yardsticks BB likes from his defensive starters on the front 7 and most of those involve being big enough to seal the edge and defend the run and that's where I think Jordan falls down as a Pats prospect. Sure, he'd be great as a rotational "chess piece" player but I'm not sure we take one of those in the first two rounds and Jordan with his athleticism probably won't make it past pick 64.

JORDAN is 6'6. 240. he can easily put on 20-25 pounds and still maintain speed. what they should do is draft him, make him add weight. get him to 260. in our 4-3 he could line up opposite of jones. hes so versatile and athletic he can stand up in a 2 point stance. and i would honestly run a 2-4-5 where jones and jordan are on the outside an then you kick mayo and hightower inside. and spikes can get a breather cuz he sucks in pass coverage. imagine all the disguising that could be done with the versatility of our players.

 

[woolster22]

JORDAN is 6'6. 240. he can easily put on 20-25 pounds and still maintain speed. what they should do is draft him, make him add weight. get him to 260. in our 4-3 he could line up opposite of jones. hes so versatile and athletic he can stand up in a 2 point stance. and i would honestly run a 2-4-5 where jones and jordan are on the outside an then you kick mayo and hightower inside. and spikes can get a breather cuz he sucks in pass coverage. imagine all the disguising that could be done with the versatility of our players.

Well I just got hard...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Improve the pass rush. DE in Round 1. I'm leaning towards letting Chung walk. He just can't play the ball. Do you try McCourty at safety for a year before allowing him to walk also? I like Kenny Vaccaro from Texas as a S if you want to keep McCourty at cb. In Round 2. Then, hit the ol.

As a not-so-minor point, McCourty's under contract through 2014.

 

[manxman2601]

JORDAN is 6'6. 240. he can easily put on 20-25 pounds and still maintain speed. what they should do is draft him, make him add weight. get him to 260. in our 4-3 he could line up opposite of jones. hes so versatile and athletic he can stand up in a 2 point stance. and i would honestly run a 2-4-5 where jones and jordan are on the outside an then you kick mayo and hightower inside. and spikes can get a breather cuz he sucks in pass coverage. imagine all the disguising that could be done with the versatility of our players.

I'd say two things to that:

1. I think it's a moot discussion anyway because I'd be amazed if Jordan doesn't go top 10. If Melvin Ingram can go at 15 based largely upon his athleticism, Jordan who is more athletic and doesn't suffer from the main negative against Ingram which was his lack of length (quite the opposite), then Jordan should go a lot higher.

2. I question how much BB values versatility on defense. He's very rigid in his approach to the front 7 - size, gap integrity, ability to stop the run and as good and exciting a player as Jordan is, those are probably the weakest elements to his game. Admittedly, the other attribute BB values is length which Jordan has in spades.

One caveat to the the above. Jordan is fairly unique and that is something that may well be attractive to BB. Problem is, that will be attractive to plenty of other GM's too, particularly those running 3-4's for which Jordan is ideally suited as an OLB.

It's funny, for the last two or three years, the draft classes have been pretty poor for two gap 3-4 teams which I think precipitated the Patriot's switch to our hybrid 4-3. And then this draft class comes along and it's chock full of 3-4 talent. A 3-4 GM fortunate enough to have seven picks in the first three rounds could build a quality whole new front 7 from this draft alone.*

Imagine:

DE: John Jenkins
DT: Jesse Williams
DE: Jonathan Hankins
OLB: Dion Jordan
ILB: Shayne Skov
ILB: Alec Ogletree
OLB: Chase Thomas

And that's ignoring the likes of Jarvis Jones, Mingo, Lotulelei, Montgomery and Teo.

* Obviously this scenario is unrealistic, I'm just trying to illustrate why 3-4 teams might look upon this draft class as a way to make hay while the sun shines and why ideal 3-4 talent will be snapped up.

 

[mayoclinic]

I'd say two things to that:

1. I think it's a moot discussion anyway because I'd be amazed if Jordan doesn't go top 10. If Melvin Ingram can go at 15 based largely upon his athleticism, Jordan who is more athletic and doesn't suffer from the main negative against Ingram which was his lack of length (quite the opposite), then Jordan should go a lot higher.

2. I question how much BB values versatility on defense. He's very rigid in his approach to the front 7 - size, gap integrity, ability to stop the run and as good and exciting a player as Jordan is, those are probably the weakest elements to his game. Admittedly, the other attribute BB values is length which Jordan has in spades.

Melvin Ingram went #18 overall, FWIW. As for Jordan going top 10, it's possible, and I'd guess he's worthy, but there's a lot of potential competition - Star Lotulelei, Johnathan Hankins, Barkevious Mingo, Jarvis Jones, Sam Montgomery, Bjoern Werner. That's 6 defensive players alone. It's going to be tough for anyone to crack the top 10.

One caveat to the the above. Jordan is fairly unique and that is something that may well be attractive to BB. Problem is, that will be attractive to plenty of other GM's too, particularly those running 3-4's for which Jordan is ideally suited as an OLB.

Jordan's most obvious "fit" is as a 3-4 hybrid LB, which would put him in direct competiton with Mingo, Jones and possibly Montgomery. I think that Jordan's "uniqueness" may make him a little hard to categorize, which could keep his draft stock down just a bit. But not much.

It's funny, for the last two or three years, the draft classes have been pretty poor for two gap 3-4 teams which I think precipitated the Patriot's switch to our hybrid 4-3. And then this draft class comes along and it's chock full of 3-4 talent. A 3-4 GM fortunate enough to have seven picks in the first three rounds could build a quality whole new front 7 from this draft alone.*

Imagine:

DE: John Jenkins
DT: Jesse Williams
DE: Jonathan Hankins
OLB: Dion Jordan
ILB: Shayne Skov
ILB: Alec Ogletree
OLB: Chase Thomas

And that's ignoring the likes of Jarvis Jones, Mingo, Lotulelei, Montgomery and Teo.

* Obviously this scenario is unrealistic, I'm just trying to illustrate why 3-4 teams might look upon this draft class as a way to make hay while the sun shines and why ideal 3-4 talent will be snapped up.

Great list.

 

[fightingirish595]

right now, jordan is going in the 2nd half of the first round at the earliest. i expect that he could shoot up to the top 10, but right now i think he goes in the 20s. as for his stock dropping because pf position questions, i think that is wrong. he is very versatile. he can drop back in coverage effectively, and is also effective in the 3 point stance. he could play both DE and OLB in the NFL. right now he projects better as an OLB because he is about 240. but hes also 6'6 so he can easily add weight and get to 260 or 265 and still hold the speed and versatility

 

[ZoisKing]

This board is on a tear over Jordan. No more obvious then when a thread is labeled "What DB do you like?", and we're talking about ends...

I'm a fan of Vaccarro and Shawn Williams, for the sake of sticking to the OP's topic.

 

[Sciz]

I'm also a Vaccaro fan. I'm a huge Tavon Austin fan, and Vaccaro did a pretty good job in the slot on Austin. And this is a safety.