Breakdown of why McDaniels is the main reason for the loss....

[Rob0729]

You gotta give the OP credit. She did bring up an excellent point. What team runs on first down? I can't think of one that has ever called a running play on first down.

Seriously, if the Pats didn't run on first down, people would be blaming the loss on that the Pats didn't run enough.

 

[Deus Irae]

You gotta give the OP credit. She did bring up an excellent point. What team runs on first down? I can't think of one that has ever called a running play on first down.

Seriously, if the Pats didn't run on first down, people would be blaming the loss on that the Pats didn't run enough.

..... and those who say that they should have run more in the second half would be complaining that the team didn't make adjustments, just as those who'll argue that they abandoned the run in the second half will still say that no adjustments were made.

 

[thenepatsrule]

Knee Jerk reaction Threads such as this show us how spoilt we have become under the BB TB era.........expecting to win every game.........Most fans would count themselves blessed to see their team win a championship in their lifetime (Chicago Cubs and pre-04 Red sox fans) The PATS have been to SB 5 times in abt 11 years thats a very very good ratio ........But we still find some or the other thing to cry about.......... Once TB and BB leave this organization then and only then will ppl realize how lucky we were .......

 

[RayClay]

NEM has returned.

I think it's Mrs. NEM.

*nod to other board's expatriates*

*Hey, it's a pun, too!*

 

[Danger Zone]

Thread ignore!

You shouldn't be allowed to Ignore a Thread in a thread you bumped to say you were ignoring..

 

[RayClay]

It's obvious we need to look into the future and run instead of throwing on every incomplete pass, and pass instead of running on every <5 yard run.

Once we get that down, we merely need to throw to a different guy after the coverage develops sometimes and run to the other side for all those 5 yard runs that could have been huge gainers.

This is so simple, I don't know why you people without Wayback machines don't understand it.

 

[JMarr]

Just a week ago people were welcoming JMcd with open arms ..amazing...

Not me. And many people had issues with him, even in 2007 and 2008. Granted, that's almost to be expected with any OC, but I never thought that Josh was a huge part of the offense's success during that time. The offensive talent on those teams was amazing--McD's role in all of it is pretty much unknown.

So then he goes to Denver and is an absolute, unmitigated disaster, making comically bad move after bad move, including drafting Tim Tebow to replace Kyle Orton; then onwards to St. Louis where he is so bad as the OC that the Rams finish that year with one of the worst offenses in history.

Never liked him, never will, and based on his personality as exhibited during the Denver/St. Louis years, it wouldn't surprise me if the repoire between he and the offense/Brady isn't nearly what it was under BOB.

Hope I'm wrong, but regarding the decision to bring him back, in Belichick I didn't trust.

 

[ATippett56]

This is so simple, I don't know why you people without Wayback machines don't understand it.

I guess the OP would rather have Peabody & Sherman as the offensive coordinator!

 

[Ivan]

Here is more detail on how McDaniels messed up.

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 36, handoff to Ridley, gained one yard, Pats settled for a 46 yard field goal..................................

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 19, handoff to Ridley for three yards, Pats settled for a 34 yard field goal..................

.PATS 1st and 10 at the Arizona 35, after an incomplete pass on first down, on 2nd and 10 McDaniels called a running play, out of the shotgun, to Woodhead for NO GAIN....Pats settled for a 53 yard field goal....

THESE ARE THREE SITUATION WHERE MCDANIELS CRAPPY PLAY CALLING COST THIS TEAM POTENTIAL TOUCHDOWNS, AND THE WIN....

The Pats strength is their passing game, not the running game, and yet McDaniels went away from strength to use weakness......

And, there are many other situations similar to these.....

Sure, they should have made the field goal at the end to win, but they never would have been in that situation, IMO, had it not been for Mcdaniels piss poor play calling.

This one really hurt. But, it is over. We lost and now I will move on..... This one really hurt.

Had this entire post been in caps I would have said "NEM, IS THAT YOU??????????????????"


The OC sucks, what a novel concept. Let's review it according to every play call that failed that I disagreed with after it failed.

 

[Kontradiction]

I felt the play calling was a bit conservative at times, but it's not to blame for the loss. Why blame it when you can actually blame the things that caused the loss for the loss, such as the O-Line's inability to block simple stunts and the WR's inability as a whole to get open on top of the fact that Edelman was too featured and Welker wasn't featured enough?

 

[UK_Pat37]

Here is more detail on how McDaniels messed up.

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 36, handoff to Ridley, gained one yard, Pats settled for a 46 yard field goal..................................

PATS 1st and 10 at the AZ 19, handoff to Ridley for three yards, Pats settled for a 34 yard field goal..................

.PATS 1st and 10 at the Arizona 35, after an incomplete pass on first down, on 2nd and 10 McDaniels called a running play, out of the shotgun, to Woodhead for NO GAIN....Pats settled for a 53 yard field goal....

THESE ARE THREE SITUATION WHERE MCDANIELS CRAPPY PLAY CALLING COST THIS TEAM POTENTIAL TOUCHDOWNS, AND THE WIN....

The Pats strength is their passing game, not the running game, and yet McDaniels went away from strength to use weakness......

And, there are many other situations similar to these.....

Sure, they should have made the field goal at the end to win, but they never would have been in that situation, IMO, had it not been for Mcdaniels piss poor play calling.

This one really hurt. But, it is over. We lost and now I will move on..... This one really hurt.

No disrespect, but if you can give me a list of Arizona's tendencies on defence, along with the game plan to go against said tendencies and then the play calls, THEN I will take your post seriously.

Simple fact is, teams call plays based on TENDENCIES. Not what they think may b a good idea because, hey, it's 3rd and long so we're just going to call something based on that fact.

For all you know, on 3rd and long, the Cards might have a tendency to split the tackles out wider and play a conventional cover two, leving the A Gaps open....a draw play is a logical play here without doubt.

They could have a tendency on 1st down to blitz the A gap, so you run a play away from that. For example; you may not want to pass against this, and you may run a sweep or stretch play away from it.

Simply, you have no idea. You have to run the ball and commit to it regardless to keep a defence honest. You have to sometimes stick with something that might not be working tremendously to set up another play later on.

Execution was the problem. You have no clue.

 

[Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM)]

You gotta give the OP credit. She did bring up an excellent point. What team runs on first down? I can't think of one that has ever called a running play on first down.

Seriously, if the Pats didn't run on first down, people would be blaming the loss on that the Pats didn't run enough.

But why do it when it had already shown, at those times of the game, that it wasnt working? At those stages of the game, and in the field position they were in, McDaniels demonstrated, IMO, that he just does not go for the jugular.

And, of course, that is just my personal opinion, of which I am not alone.

And, if we all agreed with each other, then there would not be a need for fine forums like this one.

 

[RayClay]

I guess the OP would rather have Peabody & Sherman as the offensive coordinator!

I'd hire Mr. Peabody in a second. Like a more cerebral Ernie Adams

 

[jmt57]

The Pats strength is their passing game, not the running game, and yet McDaniels went away from strength to use weakness......

So the Patriots should pass on every down?


Something tells me that if that were to have happened then you would still be here starting a thread complaining about McDaniels and the play calling - this time wanting the Pats to run the ball more often.

 

[PATSNUTme]

So the Patriots should pass on every down?


Something tells me that if that were to have happened then you would still be here starting a thread complaining about McDaniels and the play calling - this time wanting the Pats to run the ball more often.

And we would be posting on a RIP, TFB thread all day.

 

[Avenger]

The reason we lost is that we didn't execute. It's as simple as that.

 

[JR4]

McDaniels is the problem with this offense but not for calling a running play
on 1st and 10.
Where I have a problem was calling a running play on a need to get a 1st down situation on 3rd very short yardage on a short field.
Cards knew it was going to be a run and stuffed it.
Why not try a little deception in such a critical situation?
I am not liking McDaniels and some body language from Tom on the
sidelines towards the end of the game seemed to indicate he is not liking
how McDaniels handling this offense either.

The guys gets run out of Denver and St Louis. Why? He better get his act
together. I really hope BB has a sit down with him this week. When is the
last time we saw so many consecutive stalled drives in one game?
Call it execution or maybe it is too many plays called that were difficult to execute even though there were easier options.

 

[kudzif]

i'm starting to doubt McDaniels.Last season he authored an atrocious offense with the rams, and watching the game yesterday i was highly unimpressed with the play calls especially the stupid danny woodhead draw plays. Have d-coordinators caught on to his tendencies above the norm.Not totally of the McDaniels bandwagon but this bears watching throughout the season.

 

[Deus Irae]

i'm starting to doubt McDaniels.Last season he authored an atrocious offense with the rams, and watching the game yesterday i was highly unimpressed with the play calls especially the stupid danny woodhead draw plays. Have d-coordinators caught on to his tendencies above the norm.Not totally of the McDaniels bandwagon but this bears watching throughout the season.

Woodhead has always done a lot of his running on draw plays, as did Faulk before him.

This is really people just looking for a scapegoat. Outside of the decision to sit on the ball for the FG attempt, which would be a BB decision, this wasn't a game where the play calls were the problem. It was a game where the game plan was the problem. People can argue about degrees of culpability there, but we know that BB sets out the parameters and the OC works within them, so this isn't a McDaniels issue.

Many people on this board have been clamoring for a more run oriented team for years. Well, this is what happens when you go whole hog to a run and TE-centered system at the expense of what made this team's offense one of the best in the NFL over the past several seasons.

Lastly, to be fair in my comments despite it being a bit of a counter to my position, and to also note for the anti-McDaniels crowd, the o-line is playing as poorly as we've seen in years. Are people going to blame that on McDaniels?

 

[pwes]

Where was all this McDaniels doom and gloom week 1? Played a good defense and suddenly he sucks. Maybe perhaps it actually was the offense that could not keep up with the Cards and not the play calling.