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I think people are forgetting we almost won this game. it's as if we got blown out today. I know the O was bad the but the D kept us in it. Couldn't really say that at all last year
 
I think people are forgetting we almost won this game. it's as if we got blown out today. I know the O was bad the but the D kept us in it. Couldn't really say that at all last year

How about SB 46?
 
How about SB 46?

What about it? That was 1 of the only times they kept us in it last year. AFC champ game they did as well. But nothing really in the reg season. They are creating turnovers when they need them. That is HUGE and has been missing for a while. They created turnovers in the SB..but they didn't bounce their way
 
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I think you missed one thing - the Cardinals defense is REALLY good. Everyone was writing them off to a large extent because, well, they're the Cards and two, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb. But that was one of the better defenses I've seen in a while. They're going to give a lot of people fits in my opinion.
 
I think you missed one thing - the Cardinals defense is REALLY good. Everyone was writing them off to a large extent because, well, they're the Cards and two, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb. But that was one of the better defenses I've seen in a while. They're going to give a lot of people fits in my opinion.

They are BIG. Big group of guys. Underrated D IMO after seeing them shut us down today. I think they are the best in that division (for now) even with seattle looking pretty good becasue of their D

But in your opinion..who's a better D ravens or cards? For me it's the ravens which is why i think they are going to give us major fits next week
 
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Today, the offense did not seem prepared to play.

Besides the turnover on the OL, I don't think Brady is he same player. I think he has aged mentally. I think he gets rattled much more than he used to. One play, he looked like tony Eason looking for a soft spot on the ground.

Either way, the pats need to dial down the offense a bit and, get more conservative and let the defense provide some patience.

Next week against the ravens should be interesting. Unless there improvement in certain areas or some scheme changes, things could get rough next week
 
Nah..I think the Cards D is way better than the Ravens. Philly raked up a ton of yards. I think close 400+. There will be points scored in this game.
 
One play, he looked like tony Eason looking for a soft spot on the ground."

....man...that's harsh...:eek:

Brady made some VERY good throws today, but they were defended perfectly...a great offensive play does not always beat a superb defensive play...

one less holding call and the Pats win...

Remember, the Cards beat a very good Seattle team last week...
 
On the "clutch" thing, I think you can cite the Dallas, Washington, and Miami (home) games as ones where they made clutch plays. If you define "clutch" as big plays when the game is still close, you could add the Philly game and Denver regular season game as "clutch" games where the team made plays to open up a close game. The offense had a "clutch" late drive against the Giants at Gillette. This list could go on.


Also, I think that so many of the players mentioning a poor week of practice tells me that is what BB focused on in his post game talk with the team. I don't think it means much more than this is one of the youngest teams in the league and they may have either had inflated egos after a dominating performance last week and were looking ahead to a very tough road game next week. All of the leadership in the world from the likes of Mankins, Brady, Wilfork, etc cannot always stop human nature.

In the long run, I agree, this could be like that Cleveland loss in 2010. Let's see what happens next week.
 
Technically that is correct, but being on the field for the first play and being 'a starter' in everything except a technical definition are not really the same thing.

Well, you might want to mention that to Ty Law and Troy Brown, both of them suggest that there must be something - either disciplinary or otherwise - going on for the team's best WR for the last few years not starting the game. Ty in fact says it is some kind of a message.
 
Idle, ugly thoughts:

2013 NFL Draft - New England Patriots

1st Round - Offensive Guard/Offensive Tackle
2nd Round - Offensive Guard/Offensive Tackle

What is really offensive is the play of Donald Thomas and Marcus Cannon.
 
I think people are forgetting we almost won this game. it's as if we got blown out today. I know the O was bad the but the D kept us in it. Couldn't really say that at all last year

Reminded me of the Cowboys game last year...the D saved that day but it was a happier ending then :mad:
 
I think you missed one thing - the Cardinals defense is REALLY good. Everyone was writing them off to a large extent because, well, they're the Cards and two, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb. But that was one of the better defenses I've seen in a while. They're going to give a lot of people fits in my opinion.

Then I guess if Arizona can send the Pats offense into near submission with that defense,we should throw the white flag and surrender when the 49ers and Texans come to town. :bricks:

Could the Pats lose 3 or more at Gillette this year?.....I could see 3 losses easily unless they get it together.
 
They are BIG. Big group of guys. Underrated D IMO after seeing them shut us down today. I think they are the best in that division (for now) even with seattle looking pretty good becasue of their D

But in your opinion..who's a better D ravens or cards? For me it's the ravens which is why i think they are going to give us major fits next week

I must admit to not having watched them. Nor had I watched the Cards before, but from what I saw they're able to generate pressure with only a couple DLinemen, have some fast linebackers able to cover RBs and TEs and a solid secondary. Their tackling was great, very few if any broken ones. I was very impressed, although I think that it was contributed to by the Pats getting flummoxed by the loss of Hernandez in terms of the gameplan. It looked very disjointed as a result.
 
Boy that was a roller coaster of emotion. Lots of things to discuss...or more accurately get off my chest. Knee jerk reaction is a generous discription.

1. We didn't lose that game because Aaron Hernadez got hurt. Granted its hard to lose a guy like that so early in the game without some disruption, but that wasn't even close to the reason they lost the game. That responsibility goes from the top right to the bottom.

2. The offense ran the ball well enough to score 30. They pass the ball well enough to score 30. BUT the problem was they never seemed to do it enough times in a row to sustain drives.

3. A perfect example was on the drive before the TD drive. The Pats had easily marched down the field and Lloyd makes a great catch for a first down. Then in the same series he drops an easy first down catch, followed by an a strange run call and missed pass and the drive was over.

4. Make no mistake that the defense we see next week is not any better than the one we saw today. Unfortunately we are going to have to see it on the road.

5. I don't know why exactly that the play that really pisses me off was the first down run that AZ made to "seal the game". Brandon Spikes has a tendency to predetermine which gap he's going to shoot or cover. On that play he predetermined an A gap, which was surprising because there was already a DLman in that gap. Thus when the runner came through the B gap, there wasn't a LB there to fill what was clearly his gap. There was no need to take that shot in the dark, but he did it anyways, and its not the first time either. DO YOUR JOB Brandon.

I think this pisses me off more than the drop by Welker, or the miss by Gotskowski. Those are physical errors. They happen. But this play and the hold by Gronk are just dumb mental errors, and unfortunately these 2 guys weren't alone.

6. For a 2nd straight game TB missed a wide open man deep.

7. Anyone who blames Danny Woodhead for that lost yardage is simply either an *****hole or doesn't know anything about football. After seeing it few times, I'm hard pressed to blame Thomas. It was a badly designed play that ran into the wrong stunt. The AZ DT was hitting the G-T gap on a play designed to go to the Outside. It was a very hard, but not impossible block for Thomas. However, Wookhead had no place to go.

The real mistake was the design of the play that required an OLmn to cut off a player hitting the gap to the play side of the LOS. An OG shouldn't have to "reach" block such player. They simply shouldn't.

8. You are going to hear about all the pressure Brady was under. I saw the numbers 3 sacks and 8 pressures. While I don't know if they are true, but at least 2 of the sacks were or the coverage variety, and the other was fake reverse abortion where no one blocked Acho at all. The pass blocking for great stretches of time was simply excellent, and then at the most inopportune moment look very ordinary. The same can be said about the run blocking..

9. As fairly flawless as Josh McDaniel's play calling was last week, it seemed to be just a bit out of sync, just like the rest of his team. Maybe it had to do with the adjusting he had to make mid stream after the Hernandez injury.

10. The good news is that nothing is broken and its being called the "dreaded" high sprain. That's usually a 6-8 week injury, so I wouldn't be planning on him before we come back from the bye. And it probably better if we don't rush him.

11. There are plenty of individual plays that were missed that could have change this game dramatically in our favor, but there should be no EXCUSES. Ultimately, THEY made the plays they had to, and WE.....didn't.

12. One the plus side the defense as a whole played very well. AZ were gifted 10 points, and their 2nd TD drive was highlighted by a 60 missed sack that turned into a run and personal foul. Outside of that play they didn't do much.

13 I thought the secondary play was better than last week. I really think we are going to be OK there. The run defense was decent, but could be better. The Pass rush outside of a few isolated incidents wasn't strong, except for Jones' work. I would really like to see a blitz on 2 sometime soon. And I think its starting to look like the McCourty we are going to see this year is a lot closer to year #1 than year #2.

14. I don't see how Edelman got that spot. I don't see how BB's challenge wasn't overturned. BUT the bottom line please don't blame the refs for that loss. Even though it wasn't much of a hold but Gronk did it, and the official was right to throw the flag. And while I would agree they sucked as a group, they sucked equally for both sides. Believe me the Pats and their coaching staff did more wrong in this game than the refs did. Please don't make us sound like Jet fans.

15. There really is no such thing as a good loss, this could be as good as one as there was. If you are going to lose a game, the best ones are non-conference game. Remember this is a very young group and there are a lot of great lessons to be made from this game going into the Ravens game.

16. I never really thought we were going to lose that game. It reminded me a lot of the Buffalo game we stole here a few years ago. I always felt something would happen so we'd pull out a "game we didn't deserve to win".....until we didn't. It will be good be underdogs again, and that's what we'll be next week.

Come on Ken...missed a guy deep? It went straight through Gronkowski's hands. That's a drop, just like the deep ball to Lloyd last week in which his route running went out the window, slowing down on he route. Rash judgement.

As mentioned, inconsistent pressure again. Secondary is absolutely fine I agree but, with the exception of Jones, the D Line is doing next to nothing to help them out. Ninkovich looks flat out terrible out there right now but Cunningham isn't setting the edge like Ninkovich...so we're almost in a lose-lose situation at he LDE spot....boy losing Mark Anderson and Ande Carter is looking frustrating right now.

I'm not too up in arms about the Run D....we held them to 3.2 YPC....I'll settle for that all day.

IMO that Cards front seven is as good as we will face all year. It was always going to be tough and they played outstandingly. We were out coached and we were out executed...on offence anyway.

Real momentum changer was the punt block. Without it, I don't think the Cards win that game. Momentum shifter or what.
 
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Hoo-Hoo & Lex Hilliard suck out loud. They're not even JAGs, because that would be an insult to JAGs. They're just not NFL players.

The sooner that Scott O'Brien is fired, the better that our STs will become.
 
7. Anyone who blames Danny Woodhead for that lost yardage is simply either an *****hole or doesn't know anything about football. After seeing it few times, I'm hard pressed to blame Thomas. It was a badly designed play that ran into the wrong stunt. The AZ DT was hitting the G-T gap on a play designed to go to the Outside. It was a very hard, but not impossible block for Thomas. However, Wookhead had no place to go.

The real mistake was the design of the play that required an OLmn to cut off a player hitting the gap to the play side of the LOS. An OG shouldn't have to "reach" block such player. They simply shouldn't.

When I zipped threw the game for a second time my first thought was that Thomas really whiffed on that play and hung Woodhead out to dry. You know more about the X's and O's than I do so I'm gladly going to take your interpretation of what happened, if for no other reason than the fact that I would prefer to not re-watch the game again. Unfortunately the loss of yardage not only put the Pats out of field goal range, but the Pats had blockers set up that it could have been a good gain (at minimum enough for a first down).


Good point on the two coverage sacks also.
 
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Hoo-Hoo & Lex Hilliard suck out loud. They're not even JAGs, because that would be an insult to JAGs. They're just not NFL players.
I can't believe these two clowns are currently on the roster.
 
Idle, ugly thoughts ......

2012 New England Patriots "Stooges" list:

Donald Thomas
Lex Hilliard
Michael Who-Man

The aforementioned are starting to rival the 2011 New England Patriots "Three Stooges":

Josh Barrett
Sergio Brown
James Ihedigbo
 
Idle, ugly thoughts ......

Question:

"How do you feel about the execution of the offense?"

Answer:

"I’m for it."
 
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