Mallett vs. Hoyer

[MoLewisrocks]

I'll go with what Bedard posted this AM.

They’re keeping both backup quarterbacks.

Stop dreaming about trading Brian Hoyer. He fits into the offense tailored to Brady and gives the Patriots the best chance to continue winning if the unthinkable occurs. As for Ryan Mallett, he has made progress but is not quite ready. When or if it’s his turn, the Patriots would have to change the offense to suit his skills.

I believe it was Zo who commented yesterday or was quoted on the pregame saying that when Cassel was traded and Hoyer was drafted Bill told him that they knew what they had with him the day he walked in. He instinctively grasped this offense in ways even Cassel didn't out of the gate. That is what you want in a backup QB in a cerebral system. A guy who all things being equal and teamates executing as they should can run this defense without requiring wholesale changes. Back in the day when Rohan was the backup, they had a Rohan package they'd run if he had to step in.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Actually it doesn't. 3rd and 4th round comp picks are awarded to teams who had a star leave and didn't replace him with a similar player and the star signed a top tier deal and played at top tier production levels.

FWIW, production is only a minor component of the formula. [An example of how it might come into play would be if a player just below the cutoff between 4th and 5th round comp picks became a Pro Bowler, the pick might get upgraded to a 4th.]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'll go with what Bedard posted this AM.



I believe it was Zo who commented yesterday or was quoted on the pregame saying that when Cassel was traded and Hoyer was drafted Bill told him that they knew what they had with him the day he walked in. He instinctively grasped this offense in ways even Cassel didn't out of the gate. That is what you want in a backup QB in a cerebral system. A guy who all things being equal and teamates executing as they should can run this defense without requiring wholesale changes. Back in the day when Rohan was the backup, they had a Rohan package they'd run if he had to step in.

About said "Ro package":

What would happen if Brady went down on Sunday and backup quarterback Rohan Davey took over? First of all, millions of fans in New England would start praying.

But on the Pats' sidelines, offensive coordinator Charlie Weis would pull out his "six-pack." That's what the offensive coaches have dubbed the series of six plays that have been specifically designed for Davey. The collection is also known as the "Ro package."

Read more: Mentor? No Josh: Pats' QB Brady gets unlikely help - Milford, MA - The Milford Daily News

They might have to rejigger the offense for Mallett, but not that far.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It would become less complex and more talent centric.

That said, Rohan was in a league of his own...NFLE... He was the embodiment of the adage just because you get away with something doesn't make it right... Nice guy and a hard worker but not remotely equipped to play at the next level.

 

[Reckedtrek]

I'll go with what Bedard posted this AM.



I believe it was Zo who commented yesterday or was quoted on the pregame saying that when Cassel was traded and Hoyer was drafted Bill told him that they knew what they had with him the day he walked in. He instinctively grasped this offense in ways even Cassel didn't out of the gate. That is what you want in a backup QB in a cerebral system. A guy who all things being equal and teamates executing as they should can run this defense without requiring wholesale changes. Back in the day when Rohan was the backup, they had a Rohan package they'd run if he had to step in.

Small point, but Hoyer was an UDFA. It only matters in the sense that what he's achieved so far as that much more impressive.

If the Pats traded him I think they'd be very lucky to get a 6th round pick for him. My guess is they don't trade him and he'll be gone next off season.

 

[lurker1965]

Until that Line shows me something* keep two back up QBs. Heck, right now start Hoyer and let him face the rush.

* "Mankins, Waters, and Volmer. Mankins, Waters, and Volmer. Mankins, Waters, and Volmer." He rocked slightly as he mumbled that mantra.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I think long term, its definitely mallet..

Hoyer is a good stop-gap guy...has good poise, rarely makes a bad decision...hes a game manager. however, his arm strength/skillset is limited and he isnt going to make the difficult play.

thats what mallet can do, watching him he has all the skills/tools to be a QB in this league and make the tough pass...the question is if he can improve his decision making/poise in the pocket...and I think last night he made the right decisions.

Hoyer might not throw that interception to the sidelines, but he also cant make that TD throw to silvestro against the eagles.

Long term, Mallet is your guy..

I think you're way off...Mallett has no problem with poise. His pocket presence and awareness is arguably his best feature right now and he shines well above Hoyer in that department. What he needs work on is quicker decision making and accuracy on his touch passes.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

No way Pats trade Hoyer as he'd fetch a very low pick at best. Mallett showed good 2nd yr progression vs Tamper. Nice pocket presence, mobility and as always the strong arm. Accuracy with the gun continues to be his weakness at the pro level. With BB correctly grooming a playoff bound AFCE Champ contender he is not going to risk Brady out a week or two with a still developing raw talent in The Hammer. Hoyer finishes out his Pats career here in the 2012 post season.

 

[Ian]

We've discussed this in other threads, but I found this tidbit from Reiss interesting this morning:

14. Overheard from an NFL scout in attendance at a recent Patriots preseason game: "Ryan Mallett sort of reminds me of Drew Bledsoe." I can see the comparison based on physical makeup and arm strength, but from this amateur scouting perspective, Mallett has actually been a pleasant surprise when it comes to keeping plays alive with his feet (which wasn't Bledsoe's forte). My big question with Mallett is whether the Patriots' system is the right fit to maximize his assets.

Quick-hit thoughts around NFL and Pats - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

I've noticed similar mannerisms between the two, but agree Mallett's certainly more nimble footwork-wise and also has better mobility. Friday night was a nice surprise to see his progress, and hope it continues.

 

[IllegalContact]

We've discussed this in other threads, but I found this tidbit from Reiss interesting this morning:

The system is based on having Brady as the QB. I don't think who you bring in post Brady, the system will have to be adjusted. In mallett, you have a guy who is more like roethlisberger when it comes to taking him down.

I think Malletts decision making will continue to improve, but I think the issue right now is that his arm outplays his nfl experience level, but hat is something we have seen great strides even in his last 3 appearances....

I'll tell you one thing, he will never have to take an intentional grounding penalty because he has the ability to throw uncatchable balls anywhere on the field.....

His dynamic potential is off the charts......time as a student can make him lethal.........give him a legitimate pump-fake, and watch out

 

[patsfan13]

We've discussed this in other threads, but I found this tidbit from Reiss interesting this morning:



I've noticed similar mannerisms between the two, but agree Mallett's certainly more nimble footwork-wise and also has better mobility. Friday night was a nice surprise to see his progress, and hope it continues.

THE difference to me between Bledsoe and Mallett is that Bledsoe wasn't big on film study and Mallett is reputed to be a film rat. That is critical into how far he can develop.

 

[patsfan06]

Called it. A lot of people are shocked by I wasn't at all.

Hoyer was way too expensive for a backup QB and he just wasn't that much better than Mallett. He certainly wasn't at Cassel's level that if Brady went down we could still go 10-6. BB knows if something happens to #12 we are screwed anyway so might aswell go with the young guy to groom him for the future.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Good call.
Missed game 4 but may actually watch it next week just to check out The Hammer & Hoyer's game.

 

[Finnishfan]

Here is an interesting trail of thoughts I had after reading about Hoyer being cut:

Thought 1
Which one is the real reason for Hoyer being released, Mallets progression and future outlooks or Hoyers price vs. his depth chart position? Perhaps its a bit of both.

Thought 2
I'm 100% sure BB acknowledges that McDaniels has a habit of getting his QBs nicked more than almost any other OC. Combine that with our revamped OL, and it wouldnt be far-fetched to think that Brady is likely going to get hit way more this year than in the past two years under O'Briens watch.

Thought 3
You all know how much we depend on the passing game, and considering our RB position has not improved significantly from last year, we will likely be that this year as well.

If you combine those three thoughts, you just have to wonder how good has Mallet been in the camp? To think that BB would trust going into the season with only 1 backup QB who knows the system through 1 year experience only, despite he must realize that Brady's injury risk is way higher than past two years.

 

[IllegalContact]

Called it. A lot of people are shocked by I wasn't at all.

Hoyer was way too expensive for a backup QB and he just wasn't that much better than Mallett. He certainly wasn't at Cassel's level that if Brady went down we could still go 10-6. BB knows if something happens to #12 we are screwed anyway so might aswell go with the young guy to groom him for the future.

I think too many people put too much stock into what they 'heard' about Mallett as a collegian........and just took to disliking him then and just used that as reasons to not like him now.

I don't know how good Mallett will wind up being, but I do know Hoyer is not an NFL starter

 

[patsfan13]

I felt all spring that Mallett would become the #2 and with Hoyer being gone after this season anyway they would keep 2 to open up a roster spot. The extra reps will help Mallett develop quicker. especially with the limits on practice under the new CBA.

 

[Nunchucks]

Here is an interesting trail of thoughts I had after reading about Hoyer being cut:

Thought 1
Which one is the real reason for Hoyer being released, Mallets progression and future outlooks or Hoyers price vs. his depth chart position? Perhaps its a bit of both.

Thought 2
I'm 100% sure BB acknowledges that McDaniels has a habit of getting his QBs nicked more than almost any other OC. Combine that with our revamped OL, and it wouldnt be far-fetched to think that Brady is likely going to get hit way more this year than in the past two years under O'Briens watch.

Thought 3
You all know how much we depend on the passing game, and considering our RB position has not improved significantly from last year, we will likely be that this year as well.

If you combine those three thoughts, you just have to wonder how good has Mallet been in the camp? To think that BB would trust going into the season with only 1 backup QB who knows the system through 1 year experience only, despite he must realize that Brady's injury risk is way higher than past two years.

As a rookie Hoyer was the lone backup for Brady.

The roster spot was too valuable this year.

 

[AzPatsFan]

There was a prominent national NFL correspondent who opined that we would know about Mallett's future by the end of training camp. If he could not be the #2 by then, he would never develop into a premium starting quality QB.

Well, under that common sense criterion, Mallett is on schedule to at least try to be Brady's successor.