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Mallett looks good in first preseason game last year---he is a god among men. Mallett looks bad in first preseason game this year---he should be cut immediately. Next year will likely make or break Mallett, but he is safe this year as long as he continues to behave on and off the field.
 
Mallett looks good in first preseason game last year---he is a god among men. Mallett looks bad in first preseason game this year---he should be cut immediately. Next year will likely make or break Mallett, but he is safe this year as long as he continues to behave on and off the field.


Good to see you posting again letekro, I take it the "staplectomy" went well?

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FWIW, I thought Mallett was far better than Hoyer in practice on Friday. Really the only report I saw was that he was picked off by Ebner. Nobody mentioned that Mallett laid one right into Urban's hands, and it popped into the air to Ebner. On a play a bit later Mallett read through his progressions and then hit someone with a harmless sideline pattern. BB reacted screaming "good read"

I see a lot of negative reports on him relative to Hoyer, so maybe this was an aberration? I wonder if he's just not Bedard's (and others') cup of tea.

(On the other hand, the stinkeroo he put up against New Orleans is compelling evidence.)

Don't you understand? If he doesn't beat out the very poised and confident backup by the first preseason game of his first full training camp, he can never be great. Never!

Now that that's settled, give me a triple mocha latte with a shovelfull of extra whipped cream.
 
I can remember back not too long ago when all the media pundits (and many on this board) were saying how Cassel was going to get cut and that some UDFA rookie was going to be the number 2.. And what happened? Cassel wasn't cut. Brady went down. And Cassel ended up being the starter and surprising everyone, including his supporters.

Mallett has talent and hasn't been a nuisance off the field (ala O'Connell).. Let's wait and see before we go writing Mallett off.
 
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Lots of folks seem to have soured on him after the preseason game...

Not me.

I soured on'm the moment he was drafted!!
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And now we're starting to see why. :D
 
I can remember back not too long ago when all the media pundits (and many on this board) were saying how Cassel was going to get cut and that some UDFA rookie was going to be the number 2.. And what happened? Cassel wasn't cut. Brady went down. And Cassel ended up being the starter and surprising everyone, including his supporters.

Mallett has talent and hasn't been a nuisance off the field (ala O'Connell).. Let's wait and see before we go writing Mallett off.

Oddly the same people who couldn't see the upside in Cassel are the ones who generally can't see the downside in Mallett. And the Gutierrez love was based largely on Mike Reiss repeating something someone in the FO told him about how they loved Gutz work ethic. The rest of the media lemmings picked up on that and it morphed into Matt Cassel is on the way out. After all they drafted KOC in the third that year as well...

I don't recall KOC being a nuisance off the field. I think his problem was he assumed the #2 spot was his once he landed it by default. And Gutz kept regressing to his scrambling, make something out of nothing mistake prone norm as he couldn't deal with competitive roster pressure. KOC spooked him, Cassel paid neither of them any mind and just continued to do what the coaches asked him to - run the offense for better or worse so they could evaluate everyone on the field.
 
My take:

- Demps has small hands. Just means he has to make sure he covers up at contact. He isn't going to break many tackles anyway. His Florida buddy (who actually has large hands) fumbled last night against the Colts, so I don't think hand size is the only (or even the top) determiner of ball security. If Demps doesn't take ball security seriously, he won't be a Patriot for long...which makes him exactly like every other player. I'd be curious to know how many of his 11 fumbles occurred on kick returns or gadget plays, which are likely to be his roles this year.

- Jones is going to be as good as the scheme allows him to be. If the Pats throw the 2011 defensive philosophy out there, Jones will get a handful of sacks, pressures and tipped passes...but nothing worth writing home about. QBs were more often than not making 3 step drops and throwing to their first reads. If the Pats vary pressures and coverages like they have in the past, Jones could be as good as he wants to be.

- The Mallett criticism is kind of baffling. The Pats obviously like Hoyer as the 2nd string QB so it makes little sense to change things up. Mallett has by all reports been a solid Patriot and fit in with Brady and Hoyer. As for production, he has played 5 preseason games (80+ attempts) with a variety of 3rd string receivers, backs and protection in front of him. Expecting consistency is unreasonable. The other aspect is around expectations from coaches. They are stretching him mentally and physically to gauge his development. If they just asked him to Sanchez his way down the field, I'm sure he could throw out a "7-9 for 53 yards" stats line without much problem. But what is the use in that?

The common theme is that Demps, Jones and Mallett all have enormous potential. They have special physical attributes that make them similar to successful contemporaries (Sproles, Aldon Smith, Flacco) but they obviously need to turn that into NFL production. This does allow fans, pundits and amateur scouts to say pretty much anything at this point.
 
I am just saying that for this one season, if it comes down to keeping Mallet over Deadrick or Branch or Stallworth, or any of those guys that might be on the bubble...a guy that will give you injury protection and positive snaps during the season, it can be difficult to justify keeping that 3rd QB. Especially, if he hasn't shown too much.

I admit to being a Cassell hater, he was awful that preseason and he was awful for a good chunk of the 2008 season. However, he was kept, he became the starter and by the end of the year, I felt he would give us a shot in the playoffs, too bad they missed em.

I liked the Mallet pick and totally can understand if they keep him, but the Patriots are going to have to make some very tough choices.
 
I am just saying that for this one season, if it comes down to keeping Mallet over Deadrick or Branch or Stallworth, or any of those guys that might be on the bubble...a guy that will give you injury protection and positive snaps during the season, it can be difficult to justify keeping that 3rd QB. Especially, if he hasn't shown too much.

I admit to being a Cassell hater, he was awful that preseason and he was awful for a good chunk of the 2008 season. However, he was kept, he became the starter and by the end of the year, I felt he would give us a shot in the playoffs, too bad they missed em.

I liked the Mallet pick and totally can understand if they keep him, but the Patriots are going to have to make some very tough choices.


If Mallett gets cut, he will be claimed by multiple teams. Branch would likely go unclaimed and go straight to the shadow roster.
 
I can remember back not too long ago when all the media pundits (and many on this board) were saying how Cassel was going to get cut and that some UDFA rookie was going to be the number 2.. And what happened? Cassel wasn't cut. Brady went down. And Cassel ended up being the starter and surprising everyone, including his supporters.

Mallett has talent and hasn't been a nuisance off the field (ala O'Connell).. Let's wait and see before we go writing Mallett off.

1.) I was one of the few defending Cassel.

2.) Mallett has shown basically nothing to this point, and it's not just about one exhibition game. If he gets cut, he gets cut. If he stays, hopefully he'll improve dramatically, because he'll need to.
 
There was particularly good post over at Patriots Planet by a QB coach about Mallett. It included snippets and photos, showing what he was saying. I searched for it, but couldn't readily find it. If posters there can find it and post the reference link, I would be grateful.

The QB coach said that Mallett has already developed the pocket slide and move that a pocket QB must have, particularly a relatively immobile one, like Brady or Mallett. Mallett throws very well from it.

He said it was exasperating that Mallett loses his form in an an empty pocket when he has room to set up, with no pressure. He diagnosed it as he lifts his rear foot and over strides, putting too much of his weight on his forward foot, on occasion. This causes him to be unbalanced at times, and ruins his accuracy.

He showed examples, and when reviewing the Saints game it was true. The high sailing misses, were in those cases. Yet he was very accurate with good touch on throws when he had to slide around in the pocket and avoid the rush.

It would appear from the analysis, that Mallett could and should be able to rectify this loss of form, pretty easily with some proper coaching, and the recognition as to the cause.
 
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It would appear from the analysis, that Mallett could and should be able to rectify this loss of form, pretty easily with some proper coaching, and the recognition as to the cause.

This is why I think Mallett is in the right place. Brady is so maniacal about having a repeatable throwing motion (solid base, consistent stride, over the top, right hand/left pocket follow-through) that some of that would have to rub off on Mallett for him to fit in. I'm actually surprised at how many NFL QBs don't have consistent throwing mechanics...even the most successful ones. Aaron Rodgers is very repeatable (likely a by-product of working mechanics as a #2 for 4 years) but guys like Brees and Stafford seem to make up their throwing motion as they go...successfully in most cases. Don't even mention Eli who is a hot mess with mechanics (which is the lemon juice in the SB paper cuts).

I think the analysis in your post is exactly why the Pats have no intention of allowing Mallett to become #2 until next year. Allow him to get everything just right before putting him one snap away from piloting a championship team. Seems to me that Mallett is taking this seriously since he looks in phenomenal shape coming out of this offseason.

Of course this means very little if Mallett doesn't have the instincts or ability to quickly process 21 moving parts in front of him. The Pats still have plenty of time to make that determination. For us, hopefully Brady plays long enough, and well enough, that Mallett's real value is as a future high draft pick.
 
There was particularly good post over at Patriots Planet by a QB coach about Mallett. It included snippets and photos, showing what he was saying. I searched for it, but couldn't readily find it. If posters there can find it and post the reference link, I would be grateful.

The QB coach said that Mallett has already developed the pocket slide and move that a pocket QB must have, particularly a relatively immobile one, like Brady or Mallett. Mallett throws very well from it.

He said it was exasperating that Mallett loses his form in an an empty pocket when he has room to set up, with no pressure. He diagnosed it as he lifts his rear foot and over strides, putting too much of his weight on his forward foot, on occasion. This causes him to be unbalanced at times, and ruins his accuracy.

He showed examples, and when reviewing the Saints game it was true. The high sailing misses, were in those cases. Yet he was very accurate with good touch on throws when he had to slide around in the pocket and avoid the rush.

It would appear from the analysis, that Mallett could and should be able to rectify this loss of form, pretty easily with some proper coaching, and the recognition as to the cause.

I saw that analysis, it was in their Saints game thread, so I checked the guy out. He's not a QB coach. He's a legal assistant by trade who does evaluations for a draft site I never heard of and has coached OL/DL/LB at the HS level.

Matt's had a year of proper coaching. And this year since OTA's started Josh has been filming all the QB's reps. It's kind of like reading defenses, some guys can't consistently alter their natural throwing motion or footwork or tendancies outside of controlled environments even if they genuinely try. Once the pressure ramps up they revert to form. Guys like Brady who didn't have laser rocket arms and had to learn to be a QB can refine and fine tune their mechanics because that's how they got here. That is what comes to him naturally. His dad took him to Tom Martinez who taught him how to be a QB when he had the chance to play the position in HS and wanted to be competitive.

Look at poor Tebow the other night. Three passes in a row from three totally different arm slots... It takes years to develop or undevelop muscle memory (let alone mental acuity) to the point delivery (and performance) is consistent and efficient. And that goes for feet, weight balance, arm slot, field vision, (aptitude for film study, processing speed, mental acuity, retention) - everything. If you spend 5-6 years getting by on largely natural ability, sometimes that is all you will ever have. And at this level it's seldom enough.
 
Many were calling for Cassel's ouster before he took the team to an 11-5 record in 2008.
That was me. I was pissed. Vinny played great that year.

A Vinny with a little more yoot would have been a great story that year. But that Vinny may not have made it into week 9, sorry to say.
 
He also notes after spending time in KC last week that the atmosphere in camp there is much different since the golf pro moved on to Pittsburgh. More attention to detail on defense and more relaxed communication on offense. Notes with all the injuries of last season you can't blame all of their struggles on Haley, but Cassel looks a whole lot better and while he wouldn't point any fingers others did. Too bad Bowe is such a diva. Finally signed his tender Friday but he's well behind on a more expansive offense. Pioli should have flipped him that first season and found a way to hang on to the aging all pro TE.

One more note that is sure to drive JETS fans berserk, he named Schottenheimer his offensive coach of the week...says he's really got that offense humming. LOL


Andrew Luck delivering on the hype so far, while Kevin Kolb's struggles continue - Peter King - SI.com


I'm hoping we give up a lot of field goals Friday just to watch Demp. ;)
 
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