2 Returner Positions for Belichick?????

[TheKraftyOne]

If no one bothered to check...Edelman had a grand total of FOUR receptions in thirteen games last year. He isn't the 4th receiver, he's mainly a punt returner and a very good one. I'd keep him over Slater if I had to pick one of them.

 

[supafly]

Why is everybody assuming that Demps, who's a late camp arrival and an UDFA, has a strong chance of making the Day 1 roster?

Not only are they assuming that he makes the opening day roster, they are already backing bags for proven players.

To answer the question though, I think his 3 yr deal solidifies the thinking that he'll be here. It's quite possible in my opinion that he will end up as the 5th RB and Brandon Bolden will be exposed to waivers in hopes of moving him to the PS. I honestly do not believe that Bolden makes the 53 man roster.

On a serious (and somewhat embarrassing) note: I do not know the protocol for players who are exposed to the waivers system while trying to make it to the PS. Obviously, anyone has the right to swoop in and snag them, but is it possible that they can sweeten the pot for him in hopes of getting him to stay? In other words, does he have the right of refusal? And if so, could the NEP therefore almost guarantee him staying here? Is that along the lines of what they did last season for the DE/OLB hybrid that everyone was high on? (Can't remember his name) The one who made PS player of the week a couple of times.

 

[supafly]

If no one bothered to check...Edelman had a grand total of FOUR receptions in thirteen games last year. He isn't the 4th receiver, he's mainly a punt returner and a very good one. I'd keep him over Slater if I had to pick one of them.

I don't think you can compare the 2 players first of all, especially when Slater was a Pro-Bowl gunner last year and is an important part of ST.

Second of all, I believe that Slater would probably make it over Edelman IF it came down to that anyway, but I see no reason for Belichick to need to make that call.

 

[supafly]

I'd like to see the Jets safeties try to cover those little buggers zooming all over the place.

Then you come back with Stallworth, LLoyd, Gronkowski, Hernandez and Holley.

The problem with Holley is that he's as slow as a freaking snail.

I remember needing the CBoys to score a TD in that OT game last year to cover (for entertainment purposes only of course) my wager, as the Cowboys were giving 4. As you know, it's extremely, extremely rare for a team to score a TD in OT so I figured I was screwed.

When Holley caught that ball and started running down the field to daylight I immediately stood up and thought I had a good chance. He is so incredibly slow that he was gassed 1/2 way to the 20 yd line, and got pulled down pretty easily at the 2.

I don't think he'd have made it anyway, even despite his slowness, but that only adds to the reason why he won't be on the 53 man roster. He picked the wrong year to compete for a WR slot on this team anyway

Gaffney provides an exceptional ability to be on the same page with TFB, and will instantly give our passing game an even bigger boost. We would have kept Gaffney all along had JMcD not become a coach of DEN and offered him 2 1/2 times what he was making here in N.England. They made him an offer that we couldn't really justify matching at the time, but it's great to have him back now.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Not only are they assuming that he makes the opening day roster, they are already backing bags for proven players.

To answer the question though, I think his 3 yr deal solidifies the thinking that he'll be here. It's quite possible in my opinion that he will end up as the 5th RB and Brandon Bolden will be exposed to waivers in hopes of moving him to the PS. I honestly do not believe that Bolden makes the 53 man roster.

On a serious (and somewhat embarrassing) note: I do not know the protocol for players who are exposed to the waivers system while trying to make it to the PS. Obviously, anyone has the right to swoop in and snag them, but is it possible that they can sweeten the pot for him in hopes of getting him to stay? In other words, does he have the right of refusal? And if so, could the NEP therefore almost guarantee him staying here? Is that along the lines of what they did last season for the DE/OLB hybrid that everyone was high on? (Can't remember his name) The one who made PS player of the week a couple of times.

No, If he is placed on waivers he has to go to the team that he is awarded to. The only other option would be to quit.

Practice squad players have already cleared waivers and can sign with another team or refuse an offer and remain on the practice squad.

 

[supafly]

No, If he is placed on waivers he has to go to the team that he is awarded to. The only other option would be to quit.

Practice squad players have already cleared waivers and can sign with another team or refuse an offer and remain on the practice squad.

Thanks ACQB, I appreciate the response. That makes a lot of sense, as I must have been thinking of the underlined part of the sentence in regards with the player whom I had in mind from last year, although I still can't think of his freaking name. He was a hybrid who made PS POTW a couple/few times and they beefed up his contract/incentives to keep him here, only to cut him this past spring.

I think Demps makes the 5th RB spot I guess. I can't see where else he'd fit. That makes the possibility of keeping a true FB more unlikely (IMO), and also even may affect the numbers on the o-line--especially if McDonald shows enough versatility to play interior and tackle. The possibility exists that the number there could be one less than expected, although I doubt it. I think the FB idea goes, especially with Fells now healthy, as I had originally figured him to be a PUP candidate.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Thanks ACQB, I appreciate the response. That makes a lot of sense, as I must have been thinking of the underlined part of the sentence in regards with the player whom I had in mind from last year, although I still can't think of his freaking name. He was a hybrid who made PS POTW a couple/few times and they beefed up his contract/incentives to keep him here, only to cut him this past spring.

I think Demps makes the 5th RB spot I guess. I can't see where else he'd fit. That makes the possibility of keeping a true FB more unlikely (IMO), and also even may affect the numbers on the o-line--especially if McDonald shows enough versatility to play interior and tackle. The possibility exists that the number there could be one less than expected, although I doubt it. I think the FB idea goes, especially with Fells now healthy, as I had originally figured him to be a PUP candidate.

Markell Carter and he is currently without a team so I don't know if it was the best move for him to refuse an offer to join another teams 53.

 

[supafly]

Markell Carter and he is currently without a team so I don't know if it was the best move for him to refuse an offer to join another teams 53.

Yep, that's him alright. That's a shame that he isn't playing now, and that someone wanted him last year. Tough business.

Brandon Bolden may be the 'new' Markell Carter of our practice squad, with exceptionally high hopes for this season and the next

 

[Fencer]

To answer the question though, I think his 3 yr deal solidifies the thinking that he'll be here.

I missed that detail.

But doesn't Ebert or any other 7th round pick have a similar deal?

I do agree that if you have a guy with world-class sprinter speed, who's already solid enough for football, that's an interesting package

 

[supafly]

I missed that detail.

But doesn't Ebert or any other 7th round pick have a similar deal?

I do agree that if you have a guy with world-class sprinter speed, who's already solid enough for football, that's an interesting package

Yeah I imagine that is quite a good point, re: other late rd picks. It's not like they broke the bank to pick him up, but there must've been something that lured him here, at least one would think.

Believe me, I'm with you on the potential of Demps and the fact that I think too many assumptions are being made with him.

 

[DarrylS]

Yeah I imagine that is quite a good point, re: other late rd picks. It's not like they broke the bank to pick him up, but there must've been something that lured him here, at least one would think.

Believe me, I'm with you on the potential of Demps and the fact that I think too many assumptions are being made with him.

I thought the same thing... we have not even seen him make a play in the NFL.. and even though he is in great shape and has great potential, he has not had one day in TC yet.

 

[Sciz]

I missed that detail.

But doesn't Ebert or any other 7th round pick have a similar deal?

I do agree that if you have a guy with world-class sprinter speed, who's already solid enough for football, that's an interesting package

Still just a rumor, but apparently Demps was asking for a fully guaranteed rookie year salary. I have no idea if the Patriots gave it to him. If so, then that sets him very far apart from the average UDFA or late round pick.

 

[BananaRepublican]

Why is everybody assuming that Demps, who's a late camp arrival and an UDFA, has a strong chance of making the Day 1 roster?

I think because there's no way he'll clear waivers on the way to the PS. He's a lock. He can't be worse than Woodhead returning kicks, right? If you watch how he returned kicks you can see he is a true threat every time he touches the ball.

 

[BananaRepublican]

I thought the same thing... we have not even seen him make a play in the NFL.. and even though he is in great shape and has great potential, he has not had one day in TC yet.

When you are arguably the fastest man to ever play the game, there will be a role for you. That's why 32 teams contacted his agent.

But technically you're right.

 

[patfanken]

Our OL is in tatters FOR THE MOMENT and, in addition to the fact that McDaniels seems to be seeking a slightly more balanced approach, we have a far more dynamic RB corps this year. Please tell me we're not complaining about how the run game looked last week because it was stellar despite NO passing attack and a decidedly lackluster performance by the rag-tag bunch of stiffs who were trying and failing to get it done last week.

Mankins will be back soon. Odds are Waters will show in the another couple of weeks, and Vollmer will be off PUP any second now. The run game is NOT a concern -- at all.

Agreed. Lets get a grip here. Granted the OL gave up too many pressures, but only ONE sack. Plus had TWO RB's who averaged more than 5ypc

Hell are you following the rest of the league 3 and 4 sacks are the norm. You want to talk about an OL in tatters, just look at the Jets who have given up TEN sacks in 2 preseason games, and their RB's are ALL averaging UNDER 4ypc. Now THAT's an example of an OL in tatters

Our OL certainly isn't where we want it to be for the regular season, but given we are missing THREE of the 5 starters, it really hasn't been as horrible as we have been led to believe. And please remember it takes time for the OL to get in sync.

BTW- one of the reasons I think the OL and the offense is off to a slow start has simply been the lack of practices. There have been 18 practices so far this season. Last season over the same time, they had 30. We forget the Pats haven't had a single "double session" this pre season. OF COURSE, the offense isn't were we'd like it to be.

Besides its hard to have continuity when when you are missing 3/5th of your starters and because of that there are a lot of players who are moving in and out of the first 2 groups. Hard to have continuity with that going on, let alone missing a majority of your OL starters.

Calm down. Even without the starters, the OL has some talented players to work with. More talented than some of the very good OLs we've had. It just takes time. We should show a modicum of patience.

 

[goheels22002]

The problem with Holley is that he's as slow as a freaking snail.

I remember needing the CBoys to score a TD in that OT game last year to cover (for entertainment purposes only of course) my wager, as the Cowboys were giving 4. As you know, it's extremely, extremely rare for a team to score a TD in OT so I figured I was screwed.

When Holley caught that ball and started running down the field to daylight I immediately stood up and thought I had a good chance. He is so incredibly slow that he was gassed 1/2 way to the 20 yd line, and got pulled down pretty easily at the 2.

I don't think he'd have made it anyway, even despite his slowness, but that only adds to the reason why he won't be on the 53 man roster. He picked the wrong year to compete for a WR slot on this team anyway

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Yeah, but so what? Holley is my binkie and he was on the 2004-05 NCAA national championship basketball team. And his uncle is Michael Holley who wrote Patriot Reign. How can you not want a guy like that to succeed?

Irresisitible, isn't it? C'mon, admit it. He's your binkie, too.

 

[supafly]

Yeah, but so what? Holley is my binkie and he was on the 2004-05 NCAA national championship basketball team. And his uncle is Michael Holley who wrote Patriot Reign. How can you not want a guy like that to succeed?

Irresisitible, isn't it? C'mon, admit it. He's your binkie, too.

It is slightly irresistible, sure.

I do want to see him succeed, but I just don't see how he could possibly do that here in N.England.

He doesn't have any practice squad eligibility left, and we already have a hell of a WR battle as it is.

 

[pdangle]

How does a thread about kick returners end up back at the OL?

 

[goheels22002]

How does a thread about kick returners end up back at the OL?

Jesse Holley is a wide receiver/special teams guy.