andre carter update anyone?

[captain insano]

i haven't read or seen anything about him in a long time. maybe i missed it. last i read was he wanted more money than the pats were willing to spend. anybody??

 

[PatsBoy12]

i haven't read or seen anything about him in a long time. maybe i missed it. last i read was he wanted more money than the pats were willing to spend. anybody??

I think the last sentiment I read on Carter was written by Reiss and he feels that a deal may not be on the horizon, if a deal is to be made at all. The Pats have wealth at Carter's position and Jones, who was to be Carter's heir in a way, has already progressed to a point that makes him the favorite to get most of the reps even if Carter was to sign with the club. If true, then why would the Pats sign a guy who wants a long-term and highly lucrative deal at Carter's age when they could potentially get the same production (or marginally less) from someone who is leaps and bounds young, cheaper, and has a much brighter future?

 

[Joey007]

I could see a scenario with him coming in midseason if a starter gets hurt.

 

[Ring 6]

I think the last sentiment I read on Carter was written by Reiss and he feels that a deal may not be on the horizon, if a deal is to be made at all. The Pats have wealth at Carter's position and Jones, who was to be Carter's heir in a way, has already progressed to a point that makes him the favorite to get most of the reps even if Carter was to sign with the club. If true, then why would the Pats sign a guy who wants a long-term and highly lucrative deal at Carter's age when they could potentially get the same production (or marginally less) from someone who is leaps and bounds young, cheaper, and has a much brighter future?

Where is this idea coming from that Carter wants a long term lucrative deal?
Or that he has any way to demand that?
At his age, after an injury that is career threatening, and not yet healed, that is a pipe dream.
Even if he is 100% healed, there is little reason to believe he will have the same power in that leg, which was one of his biggest strengths. That was a major, severe injury and the chances, at his age, of him ever being what he was before that injury are slim.
That said, if he were able to practice, I'd have no problem with bringing him in to see what he can do. The ceiling, IMO, for 2012 is probably 75% of the player he was in 2011, but as a situational pass rusher, that may get him some playing time.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Where is this idea coming from that Carter wants a long term lucrative deal?
Or that he has any way to demand that?
At his age, after an injury that is career threatening, and not yet healed, that is a pipe dream.
Even if he is 100% healed, there is little reason to believe he will have the same power in that leg, which was one of his biggest strengths. That was a major, severe injury and the chances, at his age, of him ever being what he was before that injury are slim.
That said, if he were able to practice, I'd have no problem with bringing him in to see what he can do. The ceiling, IMO, for 2012 is probably 75% of the player he was in 2011, but as a situational pass rusher, that may get him some playing time.

There were many articles talking about what Carter may be looking for and many people believed at that time (don't know if that's still the case) that that's what has been holding up the deal. I don't know if there is an archive on the Patsfans.com main page or not, but they'd be in there somewhere. You could probably look up the other threads about Carter and find some of them in there. They talk about how he wants to be paid like the Pro Bowler he was last season.

I agree with your points. I was just commenting on what I've read. It was not my own speculation.

 

[BlueThunder]

If he was healthy Im sure BB would have had him in for a workout and medical. Kick the tires and keep him on speed dial. I agree with keeping the youth. It's not like there's a huge need at DE now.

 

[Ring 6]

There were many articles talking about what Carter may be looking for and many people believed at that time (don't know if that's still the case) that that's what has been holding up the deal. I don't know if there is an archive on the Patsfans.com main page or not, but they'd be in there somewhere. You could probably look up the other threads about Carter and find some of them in there. They talk about how he wants to be paid like the Pro Bowler he was last season.

I agree with your points. I was just commenting on what I've read. It was not my own speculation.

I think that was all rumor and speculation. I don't think there was ever a legitmate source saying there was any fact to this.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I think that was all rumor and speculation. I don't think there was ever a legitmate source saying there was any fact to this.

Respect. Never said it was fact or trying to pass it off as such . . . merely pointed out it was discussed at different times during the off season.

 

[BBass]

I think that was all rumor and speculation. I don't think there was ever a legitmate source saying there was any fact to this.

ESPN Boston writer Mike Reis said in an article in late June he was looking for a 3yrct.

 

[BBass]

ESPN Boston writer Mike Reis said in an article in late June he was looking for a 3yrct.

Actually it was Jeff Howe my mistake.

 

[BananaRepublican]

Actually it was Jeff Howe my mistake.

I thought Reiss said the same thing though.

But Andy is right to question the sanity of a three year deal, but the insanity isn't on the OP for reporting it - it's on Carter and his agent.

And that was before Jones appeared on the scene. Carter is going to have to come down to earth if he wants a spot.

 

[Fencer]

Carter's next contract could be a significant fraction of his lifetime earnings -- not a majority or anything like that, but enough to matter.

He's about the benjamins now, and rightly so.

 

[Guimond3434]

Carter's next contract could be a significant fraction of his lifetime earnings -- not a majority or anything like that, but enough to matter.

He's about the benjamins now, and rightly so.

It's extremely hard for me to believe that about Carter. Carter's a very smart, humble man (think, Ray Allen personality wise) who not only has never mentioned money ONCE in his entire NFL career, but also knows that he's 34 years old coming off a major injury.

Carter said it himself in a radio interview the other week. "He had to learn how to walk again." That's how bad his injury is. This guy literally could not walk anymore. I think the injury was a lot more severe then people believe and it may have just simply ended his career, or at the very least, will take a long time to completely overcome.

 

[Ring 6]

Carter's next contract could be a significant fraction of his lifetime earnings -- not a majority or anything like that, but enough to matter.

He's about the benjamins now, and rightly so.

Seriously, I think its more about wanting to be able to stay in the NFL at this point.

 

[everlong]

Zolak has been maintaining that Carter wants a bigger contract not that it's long term. I think given his age it makes more sense for him to try for a larger one year deal and given the Welker talks I would hope he and his agent would realize the Pats aren't giving a long term deal, minus Brady, to any 30-something veteran.

I'm sure from his perspective he's looking at Mark Anderson's deal, no matter if you personally find that contract ridiculous and I know Anderson is much younger, the fact that he had ten sacks in a season cut short by injury and the fact that he's in unreal shape for his age and thinking hey I deserve one last nice payday.

From the Pat's perspective he's north of 30, coming off an injury that could affect his burst and they suddenly have good emerging young talent.

So it comes down to what is Carter asking for? If he's thinking north of 5M it's not happening. They aren't paying Lloyd that much. If he was looking at 2.5-3M with incentives I think they could get something done.

 

[BBass]

I think its more of whether BB wants him or not. He could slow down the development of Jones, Bequette, Cunningham and Francis. If he sees them as having more upside then it makes sense not to bring him in.

I see him as a in season signing should the players above not perform or we have a rash of injuries.

I think we as fans overstate his performance last year if you roll out the Jets game he was good against the run and provided slightly above average pass rush. I don't think he was a game change though I actually say Anderson showed more impressive pass rush on a regular basis.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I think its more of whether BB wants him or not. He could slow down the development of Jones, Bequette, Cunningham and Francis. If he sees them as having more upside then it makes sense not to bring him in.

I see him as a in season signing should the players above not perform or we have a rash of injuries.

I think we as fans overstate his performance last year if you roll out the Jets game he was good against the run and provided slightly above average pass rush. I don't think he was a game change though I actually say Anderson showed more impressive pass rush on a regular basis.

Then, with all due respect, you're wrong. Anderson was a "situational" rusher for most of the season and got most of his sacks during garbage time when the games were already decided. Carter, on the other hand, was more consistent. Yes, he did have a 3-sack game in one of the games against the Jets, but he was always around the QB providing consistent pressure (that doesn't show in the sack column). Anderson did come on strong toward the end of the year when the Pats used him more, but he still wasn't the consistent force that Carter was for the team.

 

[BBass]

Then, with all due respect, you're wrong. Anderson was a "situational" rusher for most of the season and got most of his sacks during garbage time when the games were already decided. Carter, on the other hand, was more consistent. Yes, he did have a 3-sack game in one of the games against the Jets, but he was always around the QB providing consistent pressure (that doesn't show in the sack column). Anderson did come on strong toward the end of the year when the Pats used him more, but he still wasn't the consistent force that Carter was for the team.

He had 4.5 sacks in the Jets game. 5.5 in his other 12 games. I agree Anderson had a lot of garbage sacks. I just don't think either of them required to a team to gameplan against them. I agree Carter was a better overall player but do we need him right now? Who would you cut to provide them with roster spot?

 

[jah]

It's extremely hard for me to believe that about Carter. Carter's a very smart, humble man (think, Ray Allen personality wise) who not only has never mentioned money ONCE in his entire NFL career, but also knows that he's 34 years old coming off a major injury.

Carter said it himself in a radio interview the other week. "He had to learn how to walk again." That's how bad his injury is. This guy literally could not walk anymore. I think the injury was a lot more severe then people believe and it may have just simply ended his career, or at the very least, will take a long time to completely overcome.

The same Ray Allen who screwed Boston over not so long ago?

 

[Deus Irae]

The same Ray Allen who screwed Boston over not so long ago?

Ray Allen didn't screw Boston over.