NFL reportedly offers to cut Jonathan Vilma's suspension to 8 games

[BananaRepublican]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

If the NFL is willing to cut Vilma's suspension they damned well better give the Pats an extra 3rd round pick in the next draft.

That actually makes no logical sense. If a judge orders a sentence reduced for one criminal we don't let all criminals go free.

I would say that obviously each case involves very different circumstances.

I would say that I will become suspicious the say Payton files a grievance (which he won't do.) I think we all know that Payton just admitted guilt of some type and he didn't raise a stink when Vilma was fingered. So something is really strange here, and I'll be surprised if we ever find out exactly what happened.

 

[captain insano]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

NFL reportedly offers to cut Jonathan Vilma's ban to eight games - NFL.com

offering a reduced suspension to vilma is different than goodell admitting he screwed up.

 

[BananaRepublican]

and accepting an eight have suspension simply isn't the decision an innocent man would make.

How about an innocent man working within a flawed system and compromised position thanks to his own CBA?

If he pushes Goodell for more he may find to be the wrong thing to do. It may force issues into the light that reflect badly on some of his teammates and coaches.

Notice that Payton is mum?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The NFL's evidence in the case is testimony from Matt Walsh.

 

[BritPat]

If Vilma accepts this, he's admitting guilt.

 

[AzPatsFan]

There are too damn many lawyers in our society always looking to scrounge a few bucks out of any situation, even if it ruins the Sport.

Powerful Commisioners were first put into place because of the baseball gambling scandal in 1919. Judge Landis was appointed to clean up the mess, and he did, irrespective of whether he was being absolutely delicate and fair. But guys like Sholess Joe Jackson never admitted culpability even when banned for life.

Baseball was on the verge of being destoyed by the gamblers. Trying to prove the cases beyond "all reasonable doubt" is very difficult in situations of "he said, she said", like this.

Because of the godamn lawyers, and the Unions, we have this spectacle of drug barrons corrupting entire countries and governments, without being touchable. Since proof has a way of dying, before it can testify, and meet all the fine points of some bought and paid for Consigliere.

Similarly, today you can't fire any government emplyee in less than a lifetime, as the redtape and procedure ties it up in knots. As a result the government grows and swells and the productivity gets less and less, even when it doesn't turn to pure criminality like the current GSA employee scandals.

Until we recognize that participating in an enterprise like Sports, is a privelege and not a right to be adjudicated, by competing sets of lawyers, dotting every i and crossing every t, even if it takes twenty years, we all suffer. Strong Commisisoners are needed, even if they are not always right.

I'm sorry if Vilma feels he was shafted. Appealing to the courts is beyond the ken. Let him go work in some other footballl industry, like the CFL or AFL, or flip hamburgers; but the NFL Comissioner, like any other sports league Commisioner, should have the power to toss any player out of the league, on his ear, fair or not.

Fairness considerations will come when the owners choose to to renew the Commisioners tenure or not.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

offering a reduced suspension to vilma is different than goodell admitting he screwed up.

I neither said, nor implied, that Goodell admitted anything. Two threads were merged, and the title I'd used was changed to something that I had nothing to do with.

The title I used:

Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

 

[Joker]

sounds like someone blinked....

 

[Patstopia]

I look forward to the day that I don't hear a single thing about the Saints, good or bad.

 

[Gumby]

sounds like someone blinked....

nah, sounds a lot more like one side'.s lawyers are trying to contaminate and influence the jury pool (or the judges pool as the case may be).

" sources familiar with the discussions" is pretty much the same unaccountable media term used for every pre-planted story by a corrupt defense or prosecution attorney with no case and no hope otherwise.

By that I would take it that vilma's side is getting desperate and grasping for straws; NOT the other way around.

 

[goheels22002]

If Vilma accepts this, he's admitting guilt.

Goodell is afraid he will lose the civil suit for violating Vilma's civil rights. They're both guilty.

 

[ausbacker]

It still reads to me that the NFL has the players over a barrel. As other have said they can go through the court system without great certainty or they can accept whatever deals are struck and admit guilt by association.

Goodell is a smart man.

 

[lurker1965]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

offering a reduced suspension to vilma is different than goodell admitting he screwed up.

You are missing half of it. Vilma would be admitting guilt, just 8 games worth, not 16 games.

Anyway, irrelevant since it is bogus.

 

[lurker1965]

Although the report is bogus, let's assume the court decides this is a good alternative.

The NFL has "proof" that it tried to take "unreasonable" risk out of the game but the evil players (and union) prevented them therefore this concussion suit should be thrown out because the plaintiff is suing the wrong party.

It may not be legal, but as PR it works.

 

[ausbacker]

Although the report is bogus, let's assume the court decides this is a good alternative.

The NFL has "proof" that it tried to take "unreasonable" risk out of the game but the evil players (and union) prevented them therefore this concussion suit should be thrown out because the plaintiff is suing the wrong party.

It may not be legal, but as PR it works.

The whole thing has been a PR battle from the beginning lurker.

 

[Wolfpack]

Although the report is bogus, let's assume the court decides this is a good alternative.

The NFL has "proof" that it tried to take "unreasonable" risk out of the game but the evil players (and union) prevented them therefore this concussion suit should be thrown out because the plaintiff is suing the wrong party.

It may not be legal, but as PR it works.

The players of today complaining about how heavy handed the Commish is will be the plaintiffs of tomorrow complaining about how the league didn't do enough to protect them.

 

[Ive_Killed_People]

If Goodell even offered a settlement he would lose all legitimacy. It makes no sense to do this if a lawsuit is the reason why,because this is shoving the door wide open for countless more. It would be unthinkably stupid.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

Ah, so it seems that Vilma may have been telling the truth after all is said and done. If that's the case, then I'd push for a full reinstatement if I were him. Why stop at eight games if you know the Commish is full of *****.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Did BountyGate just get more interesting? Report of a deal being offered

Ah, so it seems that Vilma may have been telling the truth after all is said and done. If that's the case, then I'd push for a full reinstatement if I were him. Why stop at eight games if you know the Commish is full of *****.

You can't make this comment in good conscience knowing a settlement offer report has been rejected by NFL.com writers. Whether or not there is a settlement offer, who knows but your comment is an ill advised one.

 

[pherein]

The whole thing has been a PR battle from the beginning lurker.

Yeah its been quite the circus.
The funny thing is 1/2 the fans want everyone to shut up on the saints and take their medicine. So, when SP does exactly that, because he really has no choice but to if he ever wants to coach again, then he's guilty.
The other 1/2 wants them to fight it, if they are innocent, but when they do, Saints are whiners.
Its just a no win situation.

The best way for this to be handled at this point might be for vilma to turn down all offers of a reduced sentence. We might not have a spot for him on the roster anyway with Lofton and the other 2 LB's we acquired.
I think the confusion that ESPIN is having is that Goodell's NFL attorneys hold him he needs to cut a deal with Vilma. I don't know of any deal that Vilma has been offered yet. They must have just jumped the gun again.

But, if your attorneys turns to you and tells you to cut a deal, it usually means they cant defend your case and win. But your right, this has been nothing but PR vs PR, but I will say this...He started it