Ron Jaworski ranks Brady at 3

[thenepatsrule]

Are two QBs better than Tom Brady? - AFC East Blog - ESPN

I am not sure if this has been posted yet.


Its so surprising that people rank Rodgers and Brees( both great QBs no doubt) ahead of Brady because they had two of the best statistical seasons ever........ what ppl need to understand is that the league is getting increasingly "PASS HAPPY" and we will see records broken each and every year.. I am pretty sure JaMarcus Russell would throw for 5k yards if he was still playing lol.....

 

[BradyManny]

Meh. I'm awfully tired of rankings at this point. I get that they are conversation starters, but it just seems that now we have to summarize everything not with analysis but with numbers. While I like Jaws - this is just one list to many for me, so I don't care where he has him.

Anyway, Brady was one pass away from making all these conversations moot, didn't happen; let's just hope it happens in 7 months since I can't take another offseason of who-ranks-where-crap.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Meh. I'm awfully tired of rankings at this point. I get that they are conversation starters, but it just seems that now we have to summarize everything not with analysis but with numbers. While I like Jaws - this is just one list to many for me, so I don't care where he has him.

Anyway, Brady was one pass away from making all these conversations moot, didn't happen; let's just hope it happens in 7 months since I can't take another offseason of who-ranks-where-crap.

Agreed 100%, except for one point. He made the pass. It wasn't caught.

 

[Deus Irae]

Peyton appeared at #4 on the list, so Jaws did a piss poor job and wasted everyone's time. Every selection is now suspect and useless.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I am not sure if this has been posted yet.


Its so surprising that people rank Rodgers and Brees( both great QBs no doubt) ahead of Brady because they had two of the best statistical seasons ever........ what ppl need to understand is that the league is getting increasingly "PASS HAPPY" and we will see records broken each and every year.. I am pretty sure JaMarcus Russell would throw for 5k yards if he was still playing lol.....

I didn't (and will not) bother to go to the original article or clip, but from what the link suggests, Jaws is judging based on whom he would pick to start a team today and puts Brady three not because of his abilities but because of his age.

 

[Ron Sellers]

I think the discussion was pretty much beaten to death in the thread on the NFL Network's Top 100 Countdown from about a week ago. There's really nothing new to add.

Three good quarterbacks, all pretty close in skill and production. Valid cases can be made for all three. Something to stir debate and increase web page views and television ratings during this, the slowest part of the off season.

I agree that it has become almost impossible to judge passing stats from different years. About the only way you can do it is compare players against their peers, and go from there. Kerry Collins ranks 10th all-time in career passing yards, what does that tell you? Four of the six best single-seasons for passing yards took place last year. The NFL record book for passing and receiving stats has become a joke.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I didn't (and will not) bother to go to the original article or clip, but from what the link suggests, Jaws is judging based on whom he would pick to start a team today and puts Brady three not because of his abilities but because of his age.

Nope, which is why you should read anything before you comment on it. Jaws opined that Brady could rise to #1 after this season. Not sure what he has to do. Anxiously awaiting the breakdown of the two who didn't even get to a conference championship...it was the idiot Walker who injected the age if you were building comment, as if his opinion matters.

I used to watch Jaws a lot before NFLN came along and ESPN canned much of it's earlier breakdown work. Thought he was pretty interesting. Then watching him fawn all over his former team and that QB of theirs I lost all respect for his opinions.

That said, Reiss had it earlier and included the entire opinion and not just the initial part as Walker did before adding his own 2 cents.

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Nope, which is why you should read anything before you comment on it. Jaws opined that Brady could rise to #1 after this season. Not sure what he has to do. Anxiously awaiting the breakdown of the two who didn't even get to a conference championship...it was the idiot Walker who injected the age if you were building comment, as if his opinion matters.

I used to watch Jaws a lot before NFLN came along and ESPN canned much of it's earlier breakdown work. Thought he was pretty interesting. Then watching him fawn all over his former team and that QB of theirs I lost all respect for his opinions.

That said, Reiss had it earlier and included the entire opinion and not just the initial part as Walker did before adding his own 2 cents.

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I was commenting on a comment about a comment, sort of "meta-commenting." I'm still not going to bother going to the original.

 

[brdmaverick]

Do I think Tom Brady is number three? Definitely not, but it's not like he's being compared to two clowns here.

After all, one of the guys that we are talking about led his team to a 15-1 record, earned MVP honors, and threw for 45 TD passes. Oh, and the season before that he won a Super Bowl while earning SB MVP honors.

The other guy, he led his team to a Super Bowl before that. He is the QB of one of the most feared offenses in the league, led his team to the #3 seed, and set records while doing so.

There are three great QBs in the league right now. No matter who is ranking them, SOMEONE needs to be three. No matter who it is fans of the number #3 QB team will be outraged. But let's remember, they are being compared to each other (each a great QB). It's not like Brady is getting outranked by Sanchez or Tebow or something.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Aaron Rodgers is the best player in football and is playing as well as anyone in NFL history right now. I'm not sure he even has a weakness. There's no doubt that he'd succeed with any team... the guy is just awesome.

Drew Brees, not so much. I have never been impressed watching Brees throw jump balls to athletic receivers and racking up yards by dumping off passes to running backs. He plays 15-16 games a year either in a dome or in pristine conditions. Put Brees in cold weather and watch what happens to his elite status... I think he'd rank between 5-7 among QBs. Brees is also the garbage yardage king of the world.

 

[WhiZa]

Drew Brees, not so much. I have never been impressed watching Brees throw jump balls to athletic receivers and racking up yards by dumping off passes to running backs. He plays 15-16 games a year either in a dome or in pristine conditions. Put Brees in cold weather and watch what happens to his elite status... I think he'd rank between 5-7 among QBs. Brees is also the garbage yardage king of the world.

This is why I am not a big fan of just looking at statistics without taking into account the tools a QB has to work with. If you compare Brady to any QB over there careers I guarantee that he had to make more with less. The few years he had a HoF WR (Moss) he broke the record books.

 

[Mainefan]

Listen, can't we settle this once and for all? Can we get some higher authority, maybe God or Mother Nature or the ghost of George Halas, to tell us who is the best NFL quarterback currently playing, or ever or whatever? I'm sick of all this back and forth. It shouldn't take so long to settle this question for good and stop all of these arguments. Should it?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I think its hard to put any of these QBs in a ranking right now.

I think Brees,Rodgers & Brady are so close as to who holds the top....its a near tie IMO,they are all great QBs.

Based on his rookie season,Cam Newton could be the best in a short time from now......he looks special.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Aaron Rodgers is the best player in football and is playing as well as anyone in NFL history right now. I'm not sure he even has a weakness. There's no doubt that he'd succeed with any team... the guy is just awesome.

Drew Brees, not so much. I have never been impressed watching Brees throw jump balls to athletic receivers and racking up yards by dumping off passes to running backs. He plays 15-16 games a year either in a dome or in pristine conditions. Put Brees in cold weather and watch what happens to his elite status... I think he'd rank between 5-7 among QBs. Brees is also the garbage yardage king of the world.

Pretty much agree with this. I'm not a big Brees fan for the reasons you listed, mostly being the minimum of 9 dome games a year he plays in, as well as the garbage time crap. I put him in the class below Brady/Rodgers with a healthy Big Ben and Eli Manning.

However, I won't treat Rodgers like he's invinceable either. His poor play, especially accuracy wise, led his team to get blown out at home in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[treeclimber]

Pretty much agree with this. I'm not a big Brees fan for the reasons you listed, mostly being the minimum of 9 dome games a year he plays in, as well as the garbage time crap. I put him in the class below Brady/Rodgers with a healthy Big Ben and Eli Manning.

However, I won't treat Rodgers like he's invinceable either. His poor play, especially accuracy wise, led his team to get blown out at home in the first round of the playoffs.

How can Eli be in a class below when he's outdueled what most fans here would say is the #1 QB twice in the biggest game of them all (and a 15-1 Rodgers' team a few weeks before that)? One time when he had no chance, and another on more even terms.

I remember back a few years ago Brady fans use to argue that stats were worthless, and that winning was what mattered, which ment Brady > P. Manning. But now the same people saying that say Eli sucks because of his stats. But he wins! More Superbowls than Rodgers, Brees, and his brother.

 

[Deus Irae]

How can Eli be in a class below when he's outdueled what most fans here would say is the #1 QB twice in the biggest game of them all (and a 15-1 Rodgers' team a few weeks before that)? One time when he had no chance, and another on more even terms.

I remember back a few years ago Brady fans use to argue that stats were worthless, and that winning was what mattered, which ment Brady > P. Manning. But now the same people saying that say Eli sucks because of his stats. But he wins! More Superbowls than Rodgers, Brees, and his brother.

I'm just curious....

You do realize that Eli's lost every playoff game outside the two SB runs, right?

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Just read the article. I have no problem with Jaws.

He makes it pretty clear how he came to his rankings. It's towards the bottom of the article.

If I'm starting a franchise from scratch

If I'm starting a franchise from scratch, I'd probably pick Rogers and Brees as well. Tom is no spring chicken and while in the conversation of being the GOAT, there are other guys coming up that are probably better LONG TERM options at this stage of the game.

He still makes it clear that if it's a one game, need to win scenario, then Brady is still #1.

I don't think this is all that much of a dis at all. Much as we like to think otherwise, Tom is getting long in the tooth for a QB and if the question is - "If I'm starting a franchise from scratch", both Rogers and Brees (who are not as good as QB at this point in their careers, are both better because they are younger and have more years of greatness ahead of them.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Not that Brady needs any more incentive than the getting another ring but I wonder if these things stick in his craw just a little bit? It's not like getting picked 199 but that showed us he does not like being disrespected. That's one of things that drives him. ....tic, tic, tic

 

[thenepatsrule]

Aaron Rodgers is the best player in football and is playing as well as anyone in NFL history right now. I'm not sure he even has a weakness. There's no doubt that he'd succeed with any team... the guy is just awesome.

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So what do you think of Matt Flynn?he broke all Packer records in ONE GAME yep ONE SINGLE GAME ........

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Just read the article. I have no problem with Jaws.

He makes it pretty clear how he came to his rankings. It's towards the bottom of the article.



If I'm starting a franchise from scratch, I'd probably pick Rogers and Brees as well. Tom is no spring chicken and while in the conversation of being the GOAT, there are other guys coming up that are probably better LONG TERM options at this stage of the game.

He still makes it clear that if it's a one game, need to win scenario, then Brady is still #1.

I don't think this is all that much of a dis at all. Much as we like to think otherwise, Tom is getting long in the tooth for a QB and if the question is - "If I'm starting a franchise from scratch", both Rogers and Brees (who are not as good as QB at this point in their careers, are both better because they are younger and have more years of greatness ahead of them.

That wasn't part of Jaws analysis...it was ESPN East Blogger Walker's commentary on Jaw's analysis...offered before and after he provided a portion of Jaw's analysis.