Let's Extend Arrington

[jah]

I think there are few, if any, teams out there that consider Kyle Arrington an acceptable option as a starting corner.
I can't imagine he will get paid as one.

I bet we all thought the same thing about Eric Wright.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I hope he's here for the long term, but can't see his value going any higher over the course of this season. Minimal increase at best. I'd be okay with waiting until after the season.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

If this blurb is true, it would be stupid to extend him now:



Ras-I Dowling - New England Patriots - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

If Arrington is the third or even the fourth CB (depending on Dennard's development), it is stupid to extend him now with his contract value being pretty high leading the league in INTs last year.

Dowling healthy...HAHA

 

[supafly]

I think there are few, if any, teams out there that consider Kyle Arrington an acceptable option as a starting corner.
I can't imagine he will get paid as one.

The high end of my prediction (6-7 1/2 million per) may certainly be a bit high, I'll give you that, but I think an estimate of about 6 million per is close to what someone will give him.

I agree that I don't want to see him as a starting outside CB, but in the era where you need 3-4 solid CB's due to a higher state of passing + injuries, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see someone give him a pact that is slightly higher or right around that of a guy like Leigh Bodden for example.

I suppose it all depends on his performance this year, hopefully as a slot CB.

Regardless, I seriously doubt that Belichick values him as highly as someone else will, and my humble opinion is that he will not be here next season.

 

[supafly]

I bet we all thought the same thing about Eric Wright.

Yep, pretty much exactly my point.

There always seems to be some random team that overpays, especially at the position of CB.

I don't hold much credibility in the fact that Arrington led the NFL in INT's last year, but I'd take a pretty good guess that someone else did notice and give him something around 6 mill/per.

It certainly depends on this year of course, so it may be too early to be talking real projections.

At any rate, no..I would not extend him this year, unless he was willing to sign for no more than 3-3 1/2 mill/per, and I doubt that's going to happen. There's absolutely no point, not when we have guys like Dowling, Moore, Dennard, (name your fill-in yearly vet like Allen this year), and another shot at the draft next year waiting in the wings for cheap money.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Yep, pretty much exactly my point.

There always seems to be some random team that overpays, especially at the position of CB.
I don't hold much credibility in the fact that Arrington led the NFL in INT's last year, but I'd take a pretty good guess that someone else did notice and give him something around 6 mill/per.

Yep, just like when the iggles overpaid for a certain CB. Alot of people on this board were outraged that BB didnt over pay that CB, because afterall, he had 10 ints in 1 season....ooooooh.....

I'd like to see how Arrington does this year, before paying him starter money.

 

[mgteich]

The BOTTOM LINE is that we wait to make sure that Arrington is worth the money, he will sign for someone else. The BOTTOM LINE is that signing Arrington now is a judgement/gamble just like like every other personnel decision.

We (and everyone else) needs 3 starting corners. The nickel plays as many reps as most starters and should be considered a starter. Also it is a very important position. In addition, as a Super Bowl team, we would like to have quality depth.

Most here would like to wait to see if 2 of Dowling, Moore and Dennard are starting material, and the 3rd is quality depth.

My personal WAG is that Arrington does want to sign and would like to wait and cash in. This is likely the case if Belichick takes the same view as many here.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I think there are few, if any, teams out there that consider Kyle Arrington an acceptable option as a starting corner.
I can't imagine he will get paid as one.

It only takes one front office out of 31 to panic at the CB position or to view a player with rosy glasses to sign a guy for overpaid $

 

[mayoclinic]

It only takes one front office out of 31 to panic at the CB position or to view a player with rosy glasses to sign a guy for overpaid $

Absolutely. And regardless of the final $$ amount, I think there's a good chance that someone will pay more for Arrington on the open market than BB would. I agree with MGTeich's assessment above. And, as he notes, it's more than possible that Arrington isn't interested in an extension at this time and wants to test the market.

 

[satz]

I would extend him .last year he was competitive DB in our team . i sayign DB including safeties.

No matter who he played he was competitive. i am confuse why he is so buried in the depth chart when he was the top guy among safeties and db last year.

he has a good year and improved every year ...if he steps this up and get say 8-9 picks and plays competitive .....you know what NE will franchise him for 12 million.....

From the camp we know lyod and stallworth ran by devin as other WR did in year 2 , knowing that why would you not sign him.....in camps all we know that our WR ran by devin for TD like last year.

Dowling has not played 3 games in row but hey lets put him ahead foa guy who has improved in 3 yrs in a row and played hurt...

 

[Rob0729]

It only takes one front office out of 31 to panic at the CB position or to view a player with rosy glasses to sign a guy for overpaid $

Yes, Arrington led the league in INTs last year, but is he really a guy who if the Pats lost out on a bidding war in free agency that you would be devastated? He was a good CB last year, but I don't think he is all irreplaceable. In fact, the Pats could have two guys on the roster (Dowling, Dennard) who can replace him.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't really see the need to panic-sign a player who should be a CB4.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I don't really see the need to panic-sign a player who should be a CB4.

Not trying to start an argument Deus, but name one team where he would be a CB4? Look at the #2 CBs around the league, are they better than him? AFC East for example: Cromartie, Marshall, Mcgee.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not trying to start an argument Deus, but name one team where he would be a CB4? Look at the #2 CBs around the league, are they better than him? AFC East for example: Cromartie, Marshall, Mcgee.

Cromartie was the second best CB in the AFCE last season, behind only Revis, IMO. You've got Arrington ahead of him. There's no way we're going to get anywhere talking about this when we're looking at that big a difference just in the first name listed.

However, just to keep it on the Patriots, take a look at what the Patriots have going for them right now, assuming bounce back and health:

CB1: McCourty
CB2: Dowling

That puts Arrington in a fight for the CB3/CB4 spots if a guy like Dennard shows he can play.

 

[Ring 6]

It only takes one front office out of 31 to panic at the CB position or to view a player with rosy glasses to sign a guy for overpaid $

I understand that but I don't forsee any doing that for Kyle Arrington.

 

[Ring 6]

The BOTTOM LINE is that we wait to make sure that Arrington is worth the money, he will sign for someone else. The BOTTOM LINE is that signing Arrington now is a judgement/gamble just like like every other personnel decision.

We (and everyone else) needs 3 starting corners. The nickel plays as many reps as most starters and should be considered a starter. Also it is a very important position. In addition, as a Super Bowl team, we would like to have quality depth.

Most here would like to wait to see if 2 of Dowling, Moore and Dennard are starting material, and the 3rd is quality depth.

My personal WAG is that Arrington does want to sign and would like to wait and cash in. This is likely the case if Belichick takes the same view as many here.

If you have to pay him starting corner money, then you should be happy to show him the door after this season.

 

[Ring 6]

The high end of my prediction (6-7 1/2 million per) may certainly be a bit high, I'll give you that, but I think an estimate of about 6 million per is close to what someone will give him.

I agree that I don't want to see him as a starting outside CB, but in the era where you need 3-4 solid CB's due to a higher state of passing + injuries, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see someone give him a pact that is slightly higher or right around that of a guy like Leigh Bodden for example.

I suppose it all depends on his performance this year, hopefully as a slot CB.

Regardless, I seriously doubt that Belichick values him as highly as someone else will, and my humble opinion is that he will not be here next season.

Can you find any team that is paying 3 corners 6mill a year or more? I can't.
By saying he gets that because a team needs 3 (or 4) corners you are saying thats what 3rd corners get. They do not IMO.
If 3rd corners got 6 mill, #1s would get 12 and #2s would get 10.
Most 3rd corners are young players in their rookie contracts, or cheap vets, who didn't rate starter money.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Cromartie was the second best CB in the AFCE last season, behind only Revis, IMO. You've got Arrington ahead of him. There's no way we're going to get anywhere talking about this when we're looking at that big a difference just in the first name listed.

However, just to keep it on the Patriots, take a look at what the Patriots have going for them right now, assuming bounce back and health:

CB1: McCourty
CB2: Dowling

That puts Arrington in a fight for the CB3/CB4 spots if a guy like Dennard shows he can play.

Not at a pc or anything, so I'll take your word on Cromartie. I just remember people like Deion and Garçon owning him. If what you state is true, as Revis is the best CB in the nfl and Cromartie is the second best cb in the afc east, who was giving up the points for the jets?

If Mccourty returns to form, that'd leave us with an All-pro and a young #1 CB talent made of glass as our starters, so obliviously Arrington would be #3 here. If Mccourty wakes up and Dowling plays that is one of the strongest duos in the league.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not at a pc or anything, so I'll take your word on Cromartie. I just remember people like Deion and Garçon owning him. If what you state is true, as Revis is the best CB in the nfl and Cromartie is the second best cb in the afc east, who was giving up the points for the jets?

Their safeties were Godawful, and their LB corps was terrible.

If Mccourty returns to form, that'd leave us with an All-pro and a young #1 CB talent made of glass as our starters, so obliviously Arrington would be #3 here. If Mccourty wakes up and Dowling plays that is one of the strongest duos in the league.

Even a mediocre McCourty would still be starting ahead of Arrington. And, to add Just a note on Dowling which doesn't really say much in defense of Arrington as a starter, Ras I had already replaced Arrington as the starter by the time he got hurt, despite the lack of an offseason.

I just don't see anything that merits him getting a panic-signing.

 

[mgteich]

Why is any extending of a player contract a "panic-signing"?

I suggesting that signing Arrington would help solidify our cornerback situation. I still believe that.

. I just don't see anything that merits him getting a panic-signing.