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Belichick does not ignore the possibility of injury when he fields the team.

You would prefer to not put your best lineup on the field?




The logic makes sense - but only if all else is equal. Why purposefully make yourself weaker based strictly on 'what if somebody gets hurt' logic?

I think you may be over-thinking this.
 
Let us look at the team when Mankins is healthy.

Solder, Mankins, ???, Waters, Vollmer/Cannon

I would start Koppen, even if Connolly is a bit better. IObviously if Koppen doesn't look good at all, he would be benched, perhaps for Wendell or MacDonald.

Koppen will likely already started several games, with Connolly starting for Mankins. If Connolly starts at center, the Game Day backup for the interior linemen is Koppen.

If Mankins or Waters is injured, Connolly starting at center this requires TWO changes. Connolly moves to guard, Koppen to center. If Gallery is the Game Day backup, there is no backup center.

Belichick prefers to make only one change if there is one injury. This is discussing in-game changes. If a player is out the next week, there are more options.

Why would the actives change if Conolly or Koppen started?
You can just as easily use Koppen as the 4th interior OL by moving Connolly to G as by inserting Connolly at G. The better player will start, its not rocket science to move Connolly to G if a backup is needed, and that backup is Koppen.
 
I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. I think that the actives would BE THE SAME whether Koppen or Connolly started. The other would be the Game Day backup interior lineman.
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One plan would be to start Connolly, and to make TWO changes if a guard is injured (Connolly to guard and Koppen to center).

If Connolly and Koppen are close to even at center, I would start Koppen, and have ONE change. This is especially true if Koppen has started several games at center while Connolly started at guard instead of an injured Mankins.

Why would the actives change if Conolly or Koppen started?
You can just as easily use Koppen as the 4th interior OL by moving Connolly to G as by inserting Connolly at G. The better player will start, its not rocket science to move Connolly to G if a backup is needed, and that backup is Koppen.
 
I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. I think that the actives would BE THE SAME whether Koppen or Connolly started. The other would be the Game Day backup interior lineman.
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One plan would be to start Connolly, and to make TWO changes if a guard is injured (Connolly to guard and Koppen to center).

If Connolly and Koppen are close to even at center, I would start Koppen, and have ONE change. This is especially true if Koppen has started several games at center while Connolly started at guard instead of an injured Mankins.

Thats what I mena though. He won't start a lesser play just so if there is an injury he doesnt have to move someone. He has never done that. If Connolly is better he isn't going to sit on the bench because if someone gets hurt no shifting of players is needed. Thats silly.
 
Cannon will be active, and be our backup at LT and RT. Cannon is our #3 OT, and Vollmer has had injuries. For 2012, Cannon is an OT. I suspect that he will remain so.

Given the players that we have, I believe that Cannon is expected to be able to play LT, unless we are counting on Gallery.

I have Gallery as #8 at the moment, although until Mankins is back, that matters little.
I expect to see Gallery inactive if Mankins is healthy.

It's going to be a very tough numbers crunch for the likely 7 active OL spots, though I expect injuries will make it somewhat easier. Gallery has started 104 out of 105 games, so I kind of doubt the Pats brought him on board to be a game day inactive, but the math is brutal, and he could be the odd man out as you project.
 
Belichick does not ignore the possibility of injury when he fields the team.

I agree that Belichick does not ignore the possibility of injury when he fields a team.

I disagree with the idea that he would willfully field an inferior starting lineup just so that he could have a better bench in case of injury.
 
Yes. And so is Nick McDonald, who will likely make the team, even though I don't see that in some of the prognostications.

And don't think Deion Branch won't make the cut, despite the intense competition. I'm not even sure he has lost a step, judging from the SB when he was flying around like he was on high octane fuel. Only Brady didn't look for him enough for the first three quarters.
 
Yes. And so is Nick McDonald, who will likely make the team, even though I don't see that in some of the prognostications.

McDonald is basically a younger version of Connolly with a higher ceiling. He is only 24, and he is a potential future starting center or guard for the team. Rumors are that the Pats are very high on him, and he was widely praised for his performance in starting 2 games at center last year.

Reiss has speculated that Koppen's signing was to some degree an insurance move while the team sorted out the status of Waters and Mankins. But if Koppen ends up being a backup center with no positional versatility, Reiss has suggested that his roster spot may not be guaranteed. I'm sure that's controversial, but it will be interesting to see how things play out.
 
McDonald is really the guy I am keeping an eye out for. If he continues to impress he could claim the starting C position. A fully healthy lineup of:

Solder, Mankins, McDonald, Waters, Vollmer might be the most talented OL the Pats have fielded in a long time. If McDonald doesn't step up and claim a spot, Connolly or Koppen at C is still a very strong OL. And as some suggest, Connolly might start out at LG if Mankins needs more time to heal at the beginning of the season. We also have quality insurance at G/T with Gallery and Cannon waiting in the wings.

McDonald is basically a younger version of Connolly with a higher ceiling. He is only 24, and he is a potential future starting center or guard for the team. Rumors are that the Pats are very high on him, and he was widely praised for his performance in starting 2 games at center last year.

Reiss has speculated that Koppen's signing was to some degree an insurance move while the team sorted out the status of Waters and Mankins. But if Koppen ends up being a backup center with no positional versatility, Reiss has suggested that his roster spot may not be guaranteed. I'm sure that's controversial, but it will be interesting to see how things play out.
 
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McDonald is really the guy I am keeping an eye out for. If he continues to impress he could claim the starting C position. A fully healthy lineup of:

Solder, Mankins, McDonald, Waters, Vollmer might be the most talented OL the Pats have fielded in a long time. If McDonald doesn't step up and claim a spot, Connolly or Koppen at C is still a very strong OL. And as some suggest, Connolly might start out at LG if Mankins needs more time to heal at the beginning of the season. We also have quality insurance at G/T with Gallery and Cannon waiting in the wings.

I agree with you, though I suspect we are in the minority. I believe DaBruinz is also very high on McDonald. McDonald had never played center prior to being signed by Green Bay as a UDFA in 2010, and he seems to be a particularly quick study with a great combination of size, athleticism, processing speed and work ethic. I'm not sure he'll be ready to step up to a startin role this year, but I think he could bump Koppen off the roster and that he could be a starter by 2013 (with Connolly or Gallery taking over from Waters at RG). If he exceeds that, I'll be thrilled.
 
McDonald is basically a younger version of Connolly with a higher ceiling. He is only 24, and he is a potential future starting center or guard for the team. Rumors are that the Pats are very high on him, and he was widely praised for his performance in starting 2 games at center last year.

Reiss has speculated that Koppen's signing was to some degree an insurance move while the team sorted out the status of Waters and Mankins. But if Koppen ends up being a backup center with no positional versatility,Reiss has suggested that his roster spot may not be guaranteed. I'm sure that's controversial, but it will be interesting to see how things play out.

I don't think it'd be too controversial for reasons stated. We're paying both Koppen and Connolly starters money. If they feel like they're really happy with McDonald and Connolly wins over the starting job, then Koppen becomes very expendable.

Koppen won't play anything but Center...on his wage, he's going to ahve to get cut loose if beaten out...and I'd feel confident in McDonald backing up Connolly at Center.
 
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Im curious to see how the oline plays out but im not sure mcdonald even makes the team with all these old guys clinging to spots. Lastly the forgotten man is ryan wendell who imo is the second best center on the team behind connolly. And I really thought we should have just let koppen walk. And it also seemed like we overpayed koppen since he didn't seem to attract many suitors.
 
Im curious to see how the oline plays out but im not sure mcdonald even makes the team with all these old guys clinging to spots. Lastly the forgotten man is ryan wendell who imo is the second best center on the team behind connolly. And I really thought we should have just let koppen walk. And it also seemed like we overpayed koppen since he didn't seem to attract many suitors.

My opinion of McDonald is closer to your's of Wendell. And I think Wendell is a JAG who doesn't make the team. But it doesn't matter - as you say, if will be interesting to see how it all plays out, and who ends up making the cut. The final roster should be the stronger for the competition.
 
My opinion of McDonald is closer to your's of Wendell. And I think Wendell is a JAG who doesn't make the team. But it doesn't matter - as you say, if will be interesting to see how it all plays out, and who ends up making the cut. The final roster should be the stronger for the competition.

Wendell's been the primary backup at C and G for OTAs and a lot of last season, not McDonald. I'm personally on the fence regarding which of the two is the better player, but the team clearly prefers Wendell.
 
Wendell's been the primary backup at C and G for OTAs and a lot of last season, not McDonald. I'm personally on the fence regarding which of the two is the better player, but the team clearly prefers Wendell.

I don't know that I'd go so far. Wendell's clearly more of a known quantity, for better or worse. He's been with the team for 3 years. I think his ceiling is pretty well established. McDonald was signed last September and was promoted from the practice squad, but acquitted himself well and was kept on the roster. Althnough Wendell has gotten more snaps in OTAs so far by reports, I think it remains to be seen which ends up ahead of the other, and my money is personally on McDonald. He's younger, bigger, and has more upside. But we'll find out in a few months who the Pats prefer.
 
I don't know that I'd go so far. Wendell's clearly more of a known quantity, for better or worse. He's been with the team for 3 years. I think his ceiling is pretty well established. McDonald was signed last September and was promoted from the practice squad, but acquitted himself well and was kept on the roster. Althnough Wendell has gotten more snaps in OTAs so far by reports, I think it remains to be seen which ends up ahead of the other, and my money is personally on McDonald. He's younger, bigger, and has more upside. But we'll find out in a few months who the Pats prefer.

I'm with you -- Wendell was so wildly far ahead of McDonald in experience last season that he was bound to be higher on the depth chart. I don't think you can predict much about this year from that.

In fact, AFAIK at the start of last season, McDonald had never played a single game at center or guard at any level. (He was a D-II tackle who impressed the Packers enough as a UDFA that they kept him on the roster as a project in 2010.)

McDonald's big potential advantage over both Wendell and Koppen, IMO, is positional flexibility. He acquitted himself pretty well as an emergency center, but actually projects better to guard.
 
I'm with you -- Wendell was so wildly far ahead of McDonald in experience last season that he was bound to be higher on the depth chart. I don't think you can predict much about this year from that.

In fact, AFAIK at the start of last season, McDonald had never played a single game at center or guard at any level. (He was a D-II tackle who impressed the Packers enough as a UDFA that they kept him on the roster as a project in 2010.)

McDonald's big potential advantage over both Wendell and Koppen, IMO, is positional flexibility. He acquitted himself pretty well as an emergency center, but actually projects better to guard.

I'm not sure I agree with you about the last sentence. McDonald started off playing guard for Green Bay in training camp in 2010 but was switched to center for most of the season. Although he didn't play in any games there were reports that the Packers were high on high and viewed him as a possible successor to Scott Wells. Coach Mike McCarthy lauded McDonald:

"That kid's going to be a good player," coach Mike McCarthy said. "I think Nick McDonald will be on my team for a long time. I think that kid's coming fast. Center, or even a guard. He's a square, tough (expletive). Smart. Has good feet. Those guys coming from small schools, it just takes them a little longer to get over that hurdle. Once they do, man . . . you never have enough of those guys."

McCarthy high on rookie offensive lineman McDonald - JSOnline

McDonald got cut in 2011 in a roster crunch and the Pats snatched him up and got him to the Practice Squad. McDonald's agent, Joe Linta, was instrumental in getting him to the Pats and keeping him there because he believed they would be a good destination for McDonald:

The Packers told him they hoped he'd stick around and play on their practice squad, something McDonald's agent, Joe Linta, thought wasn't in his client's best interest. He was going the wrong way. Linta made some calls, and New England was interested.

In October, Seattle called and wanted to activate him. McDonald was "two seconds away" from leaving, according to Linta, but he convinced him to stay. A few weeks later, Patriots center Dan Connolly was injured, and McDonald was pressed into action. He was activated Dec. 3 and started in the Dec. 4 game against the Indianapolis Colts, and has played in four games.

"He's been great," Connolly said. "We were lucky to get him. He was on the practice squad, but I think everybody knew he was a good player. The coaches saw that in him, too. He was able to step right in and we didn't miss a beat. I think it's a tribute to his hard work and really knowing the system and learning it quickly and being ready to go."

New England Patriots lineman Nick McDonald makes a mother proud - ESPN

That article's a great background read on McDonald, who had a tough early life. He clearly developed some underlying toughness and great work habits. McDonald was actually planning on attending the Indy game with friends who were in town, but he was activated 2 days before the game and thrust into a starting role. He didn't miss a beat. Brian Waters, Matt Light and Tom Brady all lauded his ability to come in on short notice and be prepared. Light noted:

"I think a difficult thing to do is to step in and understand our offense in that year time frame, especially as a rookie or a guy coming in off the streets," left tackle Matt Light said. "He's done a great job, and he's got a lot of confidence when he goes out there and plays. I think it's showed in his ability to step in and do what he's done so far. We'll need it."

Nick McDonald Receives Help From Brian Waters During Lesser-Used Tactic on Silent Snap Count - New England Patriots - NESN.com

Waters, who helped McDonald with hand signals on the silent snap count, noted:

“It’s really a credit to Nick and the work that he put in last week,” Brady told WEEI on Monday morning. “Taking care of the football starts with the center-quarterback exchange. You’ve got to execute the most basic play in football, getting the ball from the center to the quarterback. We spent a lot of time last week trying to be able to do that. To be forced into that situation, where basically Nick’s been on the practice squad and then to elevate him the roster and have him step in was really a great job by him.”

It Is What It Is » Nick McDonald happy to get his first NFL start under his belt

So it seems to me like the Pats lucked into a 24 year old kid who has great size at 6'4" 316#, is tough, durable, can play multiple positions, is mature beyond his years, is humble, has a great work ethic, has overcome adversity, has quick feet for an interior lineman, and who has the mental ability to quickly learn and then execute under pressure. What's not to like?

McDonald's mental processing capability in particular makes me wonder whether he might be more valuable at center than at guard. It reminded me somewhat of Danny Woodhead being signed in 2010 and learning the complex playbook in a couple of days, at least to the point of being able to perform under game conditions. That kind of processing ability is rare, and it's a VERY valuable asset to have in a center who needs to act as the line general. A center with his kind of size, good footwork, and smarts could be a very valuable asset. It's mostly McDonald's processing ability which makes me project him to center rather than to guard. Since he's still new to the position I doubt he would be ready to start full time this year, but I agree with DaBruinz' assessment that McDonald could be a starter by 2013. As good as Dan Connolly has been for us, I think McDonald could be better.

Regardless, I think that McDonald is future starting material at either guard or center. He'll never make it to the PS if cut. The team's saw enough of him to have a sense of his upside, which I think is way higher than Ryan Wendell's, and to keep him on the roster once he was activated. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward, but I'm very high on this kid's future.

The Pats drafted Ted Larsen in 2010 and cut him to keep Nick Kaczur, who never played that year and ended up going on IR with back problems. They hoped to sign Larsen to the PS but Tampa Bay claimed him off waivers. Somewhat similar to what happened to Green Bay with McDonald. Ironically, I think McDonald will end up being better than Larsen. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
 
Come training camp i will be watching koppen, wendell, mcdonald, and donald thomas very closely. And Fwiw we didn't miss out whatsover on ted larsen. I've watched a few buc games and i saw him get pancaked more than once and its rare for me to see lineman get pancacked the way he did.
 
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