So Let's Have Some Very Early "Persons Of Interest" For Next Year

[ZoisKing]

I'll be glad to join in too

The draft is one of the highlights of my sporting year, so I'll get some interest going for this guy:

David Amerson 2011 Int Series.wmv - YouTube

David Amerson has 9 picks in this video. He finished with 13.

 

[manxman2601]

This year proved a big adjustment to me in terms of philosophy; I think I was still too stuck in the traditional 34 defensive prototypes. Next year I should have a better handle on the team/scheme fits.

Wish I could list myself as a person of interest. I'm only twenty-four, I'd love to play football, and I am an elite-level athlete. If BB can draft a rugby player, then why not a parkour instructor?

If you can play on special teams, you've got half a chance.

 

[manxman2601]

This year proved a big adjustment to me in terms of philosophy; I think I was still too stuck in the traditional 34 defensive prototypes. Next year I should have a better handle on the team/scheme fits.

Wish I could list myself as a person of interest. I'm only twenty-four, I'd love to play football, and I am an elite-level athlete. If BB can draft a rugby player, then why not a parkour instructor?

I was making the argument against the traditional 3-4 thinking and the need for traditional 3-4 ends throughout the draft process. I think when it comes to BB's drafts in the future, think players fitting into roles rather than obligatory "starters" as previously thought. Having players suit particular roles means that weaknesses can be masked and presents better draft value in the long term. It means that we can draft people that aren't necessarily perfect from an all round standpoint but might excel at a specific role. It will only be if and when they prove themselves to BB that they'll be given greater responsibilities. It will be like BB is running an apprenticeship scheme for the Pats.

 

[WhiZa]

Unless Gregory and Wilson come out of nowhere then safety will again be the biggest need next season. Chung and Barret are both FAs so we could very well need another starting safety next season. Here's are some names to look out for:

Ray Ray Armstrong Miami (Fla.)
T.J. McDonald Southern California
Orhian Johnson Ohio State
Robert Lester Alabama <-- my pick for next year

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

MINGO

That is all.

 

[manxman2601]

MINGO

That is all.

Going top 5 of that I have no doubt. Both LSU guys will go top 10 if they declare.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Going top 5 of that I have no doubt. Both LSU guys will go top 10 if they declare.

Gonna be hard to get there picking 32nd, but that why I only listed one guy.

 

[rookBoston]

2013 needs

Have to believe that Koppen and Waters will retire after this year, so interior line will deserve some attention. McDonald and Connolly are some reassurance, but spending a pick on a nasty OG would be a welcome addition.

Gerard Warren is coming back for another go. But I'm pretty sure if we had spent #48 on Devon Still, Warren would have retired. DT is a spot that needs elite help, especially if we're depending on Brace, Pryor and Deaderick to control the line.

Welker will, I fully expect, sign a long term deal. And Lloyd is promising. After that, we have a lot of very old and very uncertain baggage at WR. A young stud receiver would be a great fit.

Let's see if Vollmer is healthy this year, and how Cannon does in rotation at OT. BB may want to take another lineman to give us negotiating leverage with Vollmer when he comes into Free Agency.

Defensive back is a question mark. BB has made some moves, and some of them could pay off, with Gregory, Dennard, Allen, Wilson and Ebner. Can't be worst than Slater and Edelman. Plus, we've got McCourty coming off a disappointing lockout year where he struggled, and Moore working from a higher base. We've got youth and talent on the roster; let's see if it all comes together. For now, I'll list this as no more than a moderate need.

QB, presumably we lose Hoyer and give the #2 spot to Mallett. Another late pick on QB is pretty reasonable.

RB LB and TE have quality solutions and youth. I want to believe we have the core players that we need to be an elite team. At most, a third TE would be a nice luxury pick.

OG > DT > WR > OT > DB > QB > TE > RB > LB.... so nice to have LB last on our needs list, finally!

 

[mayoclinic]

Going top 5 of that I have no doubt. Both LSU guys will go top 10 if they declare.

Unclear. There is a potential glut of top QBs - Matt Barkley, Tyler Bray, Tyler Wilson, Logan Thomas, maybe Aaron Murray or Landry Jones. QBs could push some DEs down. There are other pass rushers who could pass up Montgomery and Mingo - Jarvis Jones, William Gholston, Jackson Jeffcoat. But it would be a long shot right now for guys like Montgomery and Mingo to slip to within reach of the Pats. And frankly, having spent 3 picks on DE and OLB this year, I'm hoping the Pats don't have to go that route in 2013.

But Mingo is a stud. No doubt about that.

 

[ZoisKing]

Gonna be hard to get there picking 32nd, but that why I only listed one guy.

I could be wrong, but are you inclined to do a Ditka and trade your whole draft for one player?

There are plenty of ways to attack a draft, and when I look at our team (hopefully our secondary can impress and our new pass rushers produce), I don't see a lot of holes. If we traded everything to move up and get just two guys (Lotulelei and Jones for example) then I'd say we had a productive draft.

 

[mayoclinic]

I could be wrong, but are you inclined to do a Ditka and trade your whole draft for one player?

There are plenty of ways to attack a draft, and when I look at our team (hopefully our secondary can impress and our new pass rushers produce), I don't see a lot of holes. If we traded everything to move up and get just two guys (Lotulelei and Jones for example) then I'd say we had a productive draft.

Productive indeed - Lotulelei and Jones would be cornerstone picks at their positions for a decade. Both are "perfect" Pats prospects - both smart, tough, high character, versatile guys. Very high floors. I'd be thrilled to get either, much less both. A lot depends on how the new guys develop and how many of our FAs we can retain, but those are the 2 biggest long term needs, and if other needs are addressed in FA then it would be well worth it.

 

[ZoisKing]

Productive indeed - Lotulelei and Jones would be cornerstone picks at their positions for a decade. Both are "perfect" Pats prospects - both smart, tough, high character, versatile guys. Very high floors. I'd be thrilled to get either, much less both. A lot depends on how the new guys develop and how many of our FAs we can retain, but those are the 2 biggest long term needs, and if other needs are addressed in FA then it would be well worth it.

And with the way the pay is structured now, it seems like teams have a whole new perspective on draft value. It makes it possible for the top ten drafters to trade back and build teams, while allowing the teams that are closest to completeness, add that piece or two to round out their roster.

Concerning the interior o-line, the draft range for these last 4 drafted OG/C-Iupati, Pounceys, and DeCastro-was between 15 and 24. As evidenced this year, it is possible to move a handful of spots or more (Hightower trade) only having to sacrifice a 4th. So from the 32nd to the 20th (middle of the previous draftees range) it would be feasible if we gave a 3rd and 4th in return, although I could see a valuable player falling much farther based on devauation of the position.

 

[Off The Grid]

I could be wrong, but are you inclined to do a Ditka and trade your whole draft for one player?

There are plenty of ways to attack a draft, and when I look at our team (hopefully our secondary can impress and our new pass rushers produce), I don't see a lot of holes. If we traded everything to move up and get just two guys (Lotulelei and Jones for example) then I'd say we had a productive draft.

Productive indeed - Lotulelei and Jones would be cornerstone picks at their positions for a decade. Both are "perfect" Pats prospects - both smart, tough, high character, versatile guys. Very high floors. I'd be thrilled to get either, much less both. A lot depends on how the new guys develop and how many of our FAs we can retain, but those are the 2 biggest long term needs, and if other needs are addressed in FA then it would be well worth it.

And with the way the pay is structured now, it seems like teams have a whole new perspective on draft value. It makes it possible for the top ten drafters to trade back and build teams, while allowing the teams that are closest to completeness, add that piece or two to round out their roster.

Concerning the interior o-line, the draft range for these last 4 drafted OG/C-Iupati, Pounceys, and DeCastro-was between 15 and 24. As evidenced this year, it is possible to move a handful of spots or more (Hightower trade) only having to sacrifice a 4th. So from the 32nd to the 20th (middle of the previous draftees range) it would be feasible if we gave a 3rd and 4th in return, although I could see a valuable player falling much farther based on devauation of the position.

Ayup.

Hauling in Star Lotulelei and Barret Jones in one year would be colossal.

As Brother Mayo has pointed out, elsewhere, there is such a delicious glut of High Caliber D Tackles poised to come out next year, combined with such an inexplicable yet persistent tendency for most GM's to place D Tackle low on their priorities...that we may well see both Lotulelei and Jones still available in the late teens.

Of course, that's about 2000 Book Value Dollars we'd need to come up with...and we currently project to start with about 1000. That leaves us 1000 short, by my estimations.

Dunno. Maybe Mallett goes 30 for 35/426 Yards/5 TD's, Week 17, and we get a mid 1st Rounder for'm!!

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Dunno. Maybe Mallett goes 30 for 35/426 Yards/5 TD's, Week 17, and we get a mid 1st Rounder for'm!!

Maybe TB won't have to play a 4th quarter all season and Hoyer can show off his talent. Yeah like TB is going to give up a snap

 

[Off The Grid]

Maybe TB won't have to play a 4th quarter all season and Hoyer can show off his talent. Yeah like TB is going to give up a snap

I've pretty much given up on getting anything more of Hoyer than a 2014 Comp Pick.

 

[manxman2601]

Going top 5 of that I have no doubt. Both LSU guys will go top 10 if they declare.

Unclear. There is a potential glut of top QBs - Matt Barkley, Tyler Bray, Tyler Wilson, Logan Thomas, maybe Aaron Murray or Landry Jones. QBs could push some DEs down. There are other pass rushers who could pass up Montgomery and Mingo - Jarvis Jones, William Gholston, Jackson Jeffcoat. But it would be a long shot right now for guys like Montgomery and Mingo to slip to within reach of the Pats. And frankly, having spent 3 picks on DE and OLB this year, I'm hoping the Pats don't have to go that route in 2013.

But Mingo is a stud. No doubt about that.

While I agree with you on the QB's and the potential depth, when a less than 250 lb DE can do this, then if I'm picking in the top 5 and I don't have a QB need, I'm taking him.

Mingo vs. Run - YouTube

Mingo is the RDE, takes on two blockers, one with each arm, and still makes the tackle. And it's not as though it's some lame opposition either.