If we traded our two first rounders for a higher pick?

[ironwasp]

I'm not for a moment suggesting that this is what would happen - and nor do I think it should given how much value BB and SP have found in the bottom third of the first found in the past - but just supposing there was someone higher they wanted to take a shot at, what would a combination of the 24th and either 28/30/31 pick get us? Anyone have any idea?

 

[satz]

funny you would say this as this was asked to kraft recently and he answered that from a financial point of view a later than 15 th 1st pick is the best pick one can have.
every pick is a hit or miss but later first rounder due to not breaking the team`s cap future are best bet.You can get a decent to terrific starter.

So i think nfl being a business and bb/scott/kraft running it as a sucessfull business i doubt this even be talked from a risk point of view.

if i would say below 15 before 10 with a hugh contract .

 

[ironwasp]

funny you would say this as this was asked to kraft recently and he answered that from a financial point of view a later than 15 th 1st pick is the best pick one can have.
every pick is a hit or miss but later first rounder due to not breaking the team`s cap future are best bet.You can get a decent to terrific starter.

So i think nfl being a business and bb/scott/kraft running it as a sucessfull business i doubt this even be talked from a risk point of view.

if i would say below 15 before 10 with a hugh contract .

I read the interview with Kraft about the draft picks, and I figure it's unlikely we move too far. (Although I also wonder whether one stellar pick at say 8 or 9 might cost the same in the long run than paying two first rounders?)

I've just been cruising around a few mock boards and got to wondering whether number 24 and 32 combined would be good enough to get you to number 10 say, or only number 15.

 

[shmessy]

I agree with Kraft - it's a great situation for the organization - stay put

I'd love to see them take 2 first round ILB's in this draft who arrive at the same time and develop a great bond and communication for years to come.

Keep Tedy and Seau for 1-2 more years to mentor them and play a decreasing percentage of snaps as they get to their second and third year.

With the $30 million under the cap, I'm beginning to ease towards paying Asante the money and at worst franchising Graham. I'm against this technically, but with the big jump in the cap and the advantage of keeping guys who know the system well in place, I am beginning to change my thinking a little on this.

Go for a WR in the second round.

Then, work out a ridiculous trade with pansy/idiot Dan Snyder to bring Adam Archuletta over here for LeKevin Smith whom Dan thinks is due for a payday.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I agree with Kraft - it's a great situation for the organization - stay put

I'd love to see them take 2 first round ILB's in this draft who arrive at the same time and develop a great bond and communication for years to come.

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Another factor is that many of the underclassman coming out early appear to be QB, RB, DLineman, positions at which the Pats appear set for the immediate future. The end result is that teams drafting before the Pats who might have needs at those positions, would be more inclined to take them leaving WR,LB,DB of a higher quality who might have been drafted earlier increasing the value of both the picks relative to trading it for one higher pick.

 

[patchick]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats move up a few slots to nab a player they really like, a la Warren. But trading your draft for one top pick has historically been a shaky move -- think Ricky Williams and Eli Manning.

Here's what keeps running through my head draft-wise: when was the last time the Patriots drafted a real impact defender outside of the 3-man line? Last year they restocked the offense with youth, speed and strength. Time for the same, in quantity, on defense.

 

[ironwasp]

Another factor is that many of the underclassman coming out early appear to be QB, RB, DLineman, positions at which the Pats appear set for the immediate future. The end result is that teams drafting before the Pats who might have needs at those positions, would be more inclined to take them leaving WR,LB,DB of a higher quality who might have been drafted earlier increasing the value of both the picks relative to trading it for one higher pick.

That's a good point. Looking at a lot of these drafts they are stocked with defensive linemen, QBs and RBs and there do appear to be quite a few decent defensive backs in the 20-32 slots. Not as many linebackers though.

 

[PATSNUTme]

That's a good point. Looking at a lot of these drafts they are stocked with defensive linemen, QBs and RBs and there do appear to be quite a few decent defensive backs in the 20-32 slots. Not as many linebackers though.

Here is a value board that gives a number to each pick for trade value- enjoy!

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/nickelpackage/tradechart.shtml

 

[ironwasp]

Here is a value board that gives a number to each pick for trade value- enjoy!

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/nickelpackage/tradechart.shtml

That's what I was after. Thanks

 

[nukin]

I'm not for a moment suggesting that this is what would happen - and nor do I think it should given how much value BB and SP have found in the bottom third of the first found in the past - but just supposing there was someone higher they wanted to take a shot at, what would a combination of the 24th and either 28/30/31 pick get us? Anyone have any idea?

Hopefully the 32nd.

 

[ironwasp]

So. Our combined first rounders could take us to 8 or 9 at best, while our second rounder plus number 24 might get us to roundabout number 16.

An interesting academic exercise.

 

[maroneysgrill]

How do the Patriots get the 24th pick is my question? Is it posted somewhere?

 

[upstater1]

In the draft, I hope we go BPA.

In FA, I hope we sign at least one of these 3, and hopefully 2 of them: Adalious Thomas, Lance Briggs, London Fletcher.

In the lower rounds, the Patriots should really consider drafting Penn State RB Tony Hunt. He would be a perfect complement to Maroney for after Dillon's retirement.

 

[ironwasp]

How do the Patriots get the 24th pick is my question? Is it posted somewhere?

It's the pick Seattle handed over for Mr Three Catches for 38 yards and six million bucks.

 

[nukin]

How do the Patriots get the 24th pick is my question? Is it posted somewhere?

Umm - yes. We traded Branch to seattle for their first rounder; which ended up at 24.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

We won't combine both first round picks, I can just about promise you!

But we will very likely move up one of them, like the 28-32 pick, if we feel the need to pick ahead of somebody. We pick ahead of the Jets with the Hawks pick, but may want to move up just to make sure the Jets don't also trade up for a common player of interest.

But we just are not going to throw out the chance to get two good players in the first round. Bioli is about taking lesser known guys and coaching them up, he is not about blowing it all on a glamour pick. we will get two decent starters, IMO.

 

[bishbash]

Are you kidding? Pioli & BB will take one and trade the other for 3 second rounders!

 

[wdkantro2]

I think the Pats should take the 24th and a later round pick to move up to somewhere around 18-20 if possible, and with that pick take Florida's Reggie Nelson.

 

[TeamPats]

Here is a value board that gives a number to each pick for trade value- enjoy!

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/nickelpackage/tradechart.shtml

Is it just me or should this definately be reworked with the new CBA. I don't know the exact details but I believe can you sign all picks below 16 for 6 years and 16+ in the 1st round for 5 years. Then the rest of the draft is 4 years. This is all coming from memory, but in this theory wouldn't the last pick of 6 years threshold be worth an immense amount more then the 5 year contract pick? I know this is getting a little ridiculous in the detail but it is definetly something like Belichick and Kraft would value.

 

[patchick]

Is it just me or should this definately be reworked with the new CBA. I don't know the exact details but I believe can you sign all picks below 16 for 6 years and 16+ in the 1st round for 5 years. Then the rest of the draft is 4 years. This is all coming from memory, but in this theory wouldn't the last pick of 6 years threshold be worth an immense amount more then the 5 year contract pick? I know this is getting a little ridiculous in the detail but it is definetly something like Belichick and Kraft would value.

I think that's an excellent point. Combine the lower cap cost of later picks, the lack of consensus after the top handful of picks and the contract thresholds, and you should get a near plateau approaching #16, then a sharp drop at 17 with a deceleration to 32, then another drop.

The best cost/benefit slots in the draft are 16 and 32. Hmm...didn't somebody just mention that packaging #24 and a 2nd would put the Pats around #16? And of course we're all gunning for #32. That pair of picks would be oh-so-Patriotlike.