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Congrats, sort of. Welcome to the knowledge that Godell overreacts based on what the media says. (E!SPN is the "media"; Fox sports still pretends to have journalistic integrity but is smaller -perhaps because of sticking to "facts". But I digress.)
Bad news for you is the witch hunt will continue as the Saints are the "evil" du jour. Anonymous sources will come forward telling how Brees was on the grassy knoll - Prove it is not true! Then on page 16, section W is the retraction or letter from the - what is the latin tittle of the ignored person that cares about ethics? (No it does not mean "pig lipstick applier" in latin.)
BTW, even if you go 16-0 you will not enjoy a single game. Sorry.:(

I enjoyed every game in 2007, thoroughly. It's just too bad that they cancelled the Superbowl that year.
 
These people simply promulgate the actual half-truths as well as allegations concerning the Patriots. Otherwise these people a minimum of simply state exactly how unparalleled the actual punishments had been without having obviously detailing exactly how unprecedentedly small and never limited by the actual Patriots the actual infractions had been.
 
And......99.9% of those Saints fans piled on when it was the Pats "turn" to be witch hunted. "The EVERYONE is DOING it" phrase was used by two colleagues of mine that are NO fans the other day in response to the bounty scandal. Both of these guys jumped all over me when I used the Everyone does that when it applied to the stealing of signals deal.....which everyone DOES DO in pro football. Well of course I and 2 of my buds that are Pats fans had to remind them of that....and repay the "piling on" aspect. Now comes the newest "scandal"...and I can honestly say that I doubt many teams "wiretap" the opponents space.......wow....tough time to be a saints fan.
Exaggerate much? Maybe it was 99.9% of the people who came here to pile on that you're thinking of. In which case you could probably list them by name. Then in the post you talk about the wiretapping allegation as if it were a proven fact. Practice what you preach buddy.
These people simply promulgate the actual half-truths as well as allegations concerning the Patriots. Otherwise these people a minimum of simply state exactly how unparalleled the actual punishments had been without having obviously detailing exactly how unprecedentedly small and never limited by the actual Patriots the actual infractions had been.
I didn't pay a whole lot of attention the whole Spygate affair. It didn't seem like a big deal to me. When I hear people who still refer to it I write it off as envy for your success. What I was totally unprepared for was the venom and vindictiveness directed toward Payton and Loomis by so called journalists. I expect that from fans of other teams but seeing the outright hate and disinformation from sites like CBS.com and Foxsports was a real eye opener.

Just to be clear I am a hardcore Saints fan since 1967. I didn't really have a problem with the League make an example of us but feel the penalties were ridiculously excessive, particularly the suspension of Payton for an entire season. It strikes me as vindictive on Goodell's part. And still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever from the League to support the suspensions of the players.
 
I didn't pay a whole lot of attention the whole Spygate affair. It didn't seem like a big deal to me. When I hear people who still refer to it I write it off as envy for your success. What I was totally unprepared for was the venom and vindictiveness directed toward Payton and Loomis by so called journalists. I expect that from fans of other teams but seeing the outright hate and disinformation from sites like CBS.com and Foxsports was a real eye opener.
Welcome to the world of being a Patriots fan. If you deleted the first sentence, replaced "Payton and Loomis" with "Belichick" you would have pretty much summed up what it has been like to be a fan of this team for the last five years.

Just to be clear I am a hardcore Saints fan since 1967. I didn't really have a problem with the League make an example of us but feel the penalties were ridiculously excessive, particularly the suspension of Payton for an entire season. It strikes me as vindictive on Goodell's part. And still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever from the League to support the suspensions of the players.
Once again, welcome to our world.

The good news for you is that it appears the Saints are still a very good team, and should remain highly competitive for some time. The bad news for you is that as long as the team continues to do well you can expect to continue receiving crap. I would not expect it to end for either club until they start losing more games than they win - i.e., become anonymous amongst NFL teams.
 
Exaggerate much? Maybe it was 99.9% of the people who came here to pile on that you're thinking of. In which case you could probably list them by name. Then in the post you talk about the wiretapping allegation as if it were a proven fact. Practice what you preach buddy.

I didn't pay a whole lot of attention the whole Spygate affair. It didn't seem like a big deal to me. When I hear people who still refer to it I write it off as envy for your success. What I was totally unprepared for was the venom and vindictiveness directed toward Payton and Loomis by so called journalists. I expect that from fans of other teams but seeing the outright hate and disinformation from sites like CBS.com and Foxsports was a real eye opener.

Just to be clear I am a hardcore Saints fan since 1967. I didn't really have a problem with the League make an example of us but feel the penalties were ridiculously excessive, particularly the suspension of Payton for an entire season. It strikes me as vindictive on Goodell's part. And still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever from the League to support the suspensions of the players.

Hey Boutte :) nice to see you here.
I think youll find a greater understanding here on what we are facing and about to face. There some sympathy here for our problems, but also and intelligence of how its different.
They truly get the disconnect between our team and us as fans, and the football knowledge is pretty vast here. Like anything nothing is perfect.
But I think you remember how impressed we were with the Pats fans in New Orleans when we played them. Gad even their wemon knew ball,lol.
They were real sportsman in the face of a loss. You will find that same kind of character here.
But I won't make excuses for some. AS with any site they will be close-minded, and attack to support their thought, but thats usual in the world, just ignore :)
We have them on our site too.
I am glad you want to share here. Look forward to your continued post.
 
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Exaggerate much? Maybe it was 99.9% of the people who came here to pile on that you're thinking of. In which case you could probably list them by name. Then in the post you talk about the wiretapping allegation as if it were a proven fact. Practice what you preach buddy.

I didn't pay a whole lot of attention the whole Spygate affair. It didn't seem like a big deal to me. When I hear people who still refer to it I write it off as envy for your success. What I was totally unprepared for was the venom and vindictiveness directed toward Payton and Loomis by so called journalists. I expect that from fans of other teams but seeing the outright hate and disinformation from sites like CBS.com and Foxsports was a real eye opener.

Just to be clear I am a hardcore Saints fan since 1967. I didn't really have a problem with the League make an example of us but feel the penalties were ridiculously excessive, particularly the suspension of Payton for an entire season. It strikes me as vindictive on Goodell's part. And still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever from the League to support the suspensions of the players.

Personally I think there are really two things to understand about the league and Goodell, and how they currently hand out punishments. And I don't think vindictiveness has anything to do with it.

  • Number 1, they're a multi-billion dollar business, so their overriding priority is to protect their brand. There's particularly nothing noteworthy or sinister about this--large businesses will act to protect themselves--but it goes a long way towards explaining the seeming arbitrariness of their penalties. Simply put, Goodell and the league are less concerned with the underlying transgression, than the degree to which the NFL 'shield" has been tarnished...so in fact the actual violation matters less than the amount of negative attention and media coverage that violation focuses on the league.
  • Number 2--and this is a corollary to number 1--the NFL is now dealing with the specter of waves of litigation from former players regarding safety issues. So violations that have any relationship to player safety are essentially opportunities for Goodell and the league to publicly and forcefully demonstrate its "commitment" to player safety, not so much to the given rules violator, as to potential future claimants in lawsuits against the league.
The various penalties assigned under Goodell's reign over the past few years start to make a lot more sense when viewed from this context. There's a reason the Saints' penalties were so severe, just like there was a reason why the fine and suspension structure abruptly exploded in 2010 for hits that have occurred since the dawn of the NFL. Penalties are now assigned for public posturing purposes as much as for actual "fairness". This probably sounds very cynical and negative but I honestly mean this descriptively (and actually not necessarily disparagingly): the NFL is a big business, and it acts like one. It has a dubious record on player safety over the years, and has a potentially very serious legal vulnerability in this area. So the league and Goodell are acting accordingly.

I'm sure there are well-meaning people (perhaps, Goodell among them) in the league that honestly care and want to improve player safety. But the sudden *severity* of the penalties has less to do with good intentions, and more to do with the league desperately trying to promote itself as safety-conscious in an uncertain climate. The NFL has spent several decades tolerating, celebrating, and frankly marketing/promoting the very violence it suddenly deems appalling. The penalties are draconian now because while they may or may not have truly cared about player safety over the decades, they certainly care about *lawsuits*.

Personally I wish that Goodell could just stand up without all the sanctimony and outrage (which is unfortunately all too easy for media hacks to parrot and pile on to), call a spade a spade, and just be honest about why he's become more of a sheriff than a commissioner. For example, he could say:

"Starting now, we're going to hand out massive penalties for crap we know has been going on forever in this league. This is partly because we care about player safety. But mostly it's because we have an endless parade of lawsuits from players staring us in the face, all related to our possibly negligent stance on safety over the years. We know it's not exactly consistent or fair. And we understand it's actually kind of hypocritical because we've looked the other way on these issues for a long time, and frankly have been beneficiaries--both in a promotional and an actual monetary sense--from a lot of this stuff. But we HAVE to do it, because these lawsuits represent a legitimate threat to the long-term viability of the NFL as we know it."

While this would never actually happen, it would certainly make some of NFL's recent actions a lot easier to understand.
 
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