What would you think if we traded out of the 1st Rd. entirely?

[OhExaulted1]

With 2 late 1's and a pair of 2's but nothing past the 4th in what I beleive is a weak draft class, why not stock up? We got hosed with Ocho and Albert but we can recoup some late RDers this year and next, plus add a high pick next year.

I just don't see any immediate impact guys falling in our lap at 27 & 31 in this class. Bills done so well at adding those year-or-two guys later it seems like why change your MO?

New Execs are always looking to make a splash, but he's proven slow and steady wins the race. It seems like for him he just throws out the worm and somethings bound to bite, even if you wind up dinner. BB's not a catch and release guy.

I think our scouting crew can find "that guy" late in the draft, I can name numerous examples. I think it will be a boring (or controverstial) draft until all the dust settles.

Prepare yourself for 3 2nd RDers is my prediction, wherever they may fall (and BTW, there'll be a couple of PS-UDFA's that make themselves known, count on it).

 

[SunnyDenmark]

Question: What would you think if we traded out of the 1st Rd. entirely?

Answer: I would throw up in my mouth. And yours too.

Makes no sense to trade BOTH picks out. Bradys career is nearing the end and the team is built to WIN NOW. I could see maybe trading out with one of the first rounders if the trade offer was good enough (say a first next year plus a 2nd or high 3rd this year). But trading both.....stupid.

Remember, first round salaries are now relatively bargins with the new rookie wage scale. Also 1st rounders can have a max of 5 year contract while later rounds a max of a 4 year contract.

 

[ATippett56]

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[Ivan]

I don't like the idea in general but it depends upon how the first round actually falls, how far they drop, and what they get in return. For a team that went to the Super Bowl they have quite a few needs and the current mocks and rankings are so volatile that it could be that players they have first round grades on fall into the 2nd, and they could actually address more needs with the same quality of players if things fell right. That said i would rather they go right after a couple of imp[act players in the first rather than sit back and see who falls. I actually like the way the draft has been setting up and see some players that could well be available who were thought to be out of reach a month ago (e.g...Dre Kirkpatrick, who had a top 10 grade early and has slipped, which is how they got Wilfork years ago).

The bottom line is going to be how the draft falls come draft day, because they have an opportunity to really upgrade the team with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. How they utilize those depends upon who actually rises and falls during the draft and there are a number of scenarios where they can address multiple needs with really good prospects. They could very easily address LB, DB, DL, and either RB or WR in the first 2 rounds, and if they add a pick they could do all or add an OL instead of a skill position.

As for the draft overall i think the top 15 is not as strong as oit has been in past drafts but the talent from 20-50/60 is really solid and consistent. I love players like Lavonte David, Donta Hightower, Ruben Randle, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Derek Wolfe and most should be around in the range they are picking in, so i'm looking forward to a great draft for the Patriots.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I'd think typical Belichick.

I pondered on the idea a while back and since then have heard a lot of other people say it too. I would support it in the event that the premium pass rushers are gone. I would hate for the Pats to waste a 1st round pick on some of the DL prospects out there who could fall into our laps in the second round.

There's very little value on the DL or at OLB in the first round. The convert prospects all have flaws in my eyes and could struggle to be day one starters and on the DL there are no more than five guys I see as immediate impact, day one starters with their hands in the dirt...which is what you expect of a first round pick.

Other needs include OT/OG, DB, WR, RB....Running Back not so much but at all these other positions you could be finding immediate contributors in round three! That's how great the depth is.

Don't be surprised if Belichick does it and, in a certain situation such as all the premium players being off the board by #27, I would whole heartedly support it. We have to remember that not only are we one of the teams with the fewest picks in this year's draft (6), we are also in a similar boat next year with just five! We need to get some picks.

Don't be surprised if the Pats take a RB in round two either...especially if Doug Martin falls.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Question: What would you think if we traded out of the 1st Rd. entirely?

Answer: I would throw up in my mouth. And yours too.

Well, if it does happen I hope your aim is off!

 

[OhExaulted1]

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I knew there had to be another thread on this subject, I just didn't look far back enough. Mods maybe you can combine them?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Don't be surprised if Belichick does it and, in a certain situation such as all the premium players being off the board by #27, I would whole heartedly support it. We have to remember that not only are we one of the teams with the fewest picks in this year's draft (6), we are also in a similar boat next year with just five! We need to get some picks.

That said, the only teams with better positioning in the first two rounds than the Pats' 1-1-2-2 are CLE, CIN, and STL, and none of them have four picks in the first two rounds.

 

[BelichickFan]

Our top pick only requires a trade down of 6 spots to be out of the first spot, it's possible and not a particularly big deal.

 

[yopats]

I have been thinking this for awhile.. it makes to much sense if they don't find value which it looks like the value in the draft is in the early to mid 2nd round..

I would not be mad at all.. We have a stacked team.. in BB we TRUST! :bricks:

 

[Snake Eyes]

Depending on how's available at 21 and 31 I'd much prefer them to trade down.

The problem isn't trading down, I think it generally makes a lot more sense, the problem is who they've selected with those picks: they've gotten a lot of crap (Brace, Butler, Tate, Price, etc) while ignoring some very solid players (Connor Barwin, Jimmy Graham, Mike Wallace, etc)

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Depending on how's available at 21 and 31 I'd much prefer them to trade down.

The problem isn't trading down, I think it generally makes a lot more sense, the problem is who they've selected with those picks: they've gotten a lot of crap (Brace, Butler, Tate, Price, etc) while ignoring some very solid players (Connor Barwin, Jimmy Graham, Mike Wallace, etc)

TBH, the only one of those that really irks me is Brace—it hasn't worked, and it didn't make sense at the time. Tate and Price I can at least see the rationale there; even Butler I can understand. But I still think this team would have been a lot better off with Connor Barwin at #40 than Ron Brace.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

TBH, the only one of those that really irks me is Brace—it hasn't worked, and it didn't make sense at the time. Tate and Price I can at least see the rationale there; even Butler I can understand. But I still think this team would have been a lot better off with Connor Barwin at #40 than Ron Brace.

Speaking of Barwin, so if BB has passed on Cushings, Mathews, Woodley, Barwin and countless scores of others at OLB in previous drafts, why does anybody think he will take a Perry, Mercilous, Branch or McCellin in the first round this year?

Isn't predicting BB to take any of those players the definition of insanity?

 

[SunnyDenmark]

I have been a big proponent of trading down /out til next year for many years - and IF Bill trades that is usually a good thing as it means: a) he found a trade partner (sorry that Dead Al can no longer be bait) and B) Bill believes it is worth trading as he doesnt trade just for fun.......oops - he did last year with Andy Reid. Nevertheless - the fact remains the following:

a) Pats in good salary cap shape now and it looks like next couple of years -so no need for big youth movement (did that a few years ago).

b) many of recent 2-3 NEP drafts have gone well and those players are entering their prime (Mayo, Wilfork, Seabass, Gronk, Chung, Hernandez, hopefully McCourtey) and promising up and comers need game playing time to see if can reach potential Ridley, Vereen, Solder, Canon, Ras I Dowling, etc.

c) NEP have gone bargin Vet FA shopping in a big way for depth. last I read over 70 players under contract for training camp

d) we have seen all to many times last few years that our late draft picks just end up on other teams and our practice squad gets raided.

e) new rookie salary cap makes first rounders reasonable priced

f) new system allows only first rounders to get 5 year contracts -everyone else is max 4 years (and not so often that NEP rookies see much playing time which means 4 year contract = only 3 years good production IF without injury)

g) Brady is nearing the end.......he does need a 4th ring to be where he belongs up with Montana / Bradshaw. Seriously, in 10 years WE could be like Dolfans and Bills fans waiting for the next Marino, Kelly, (Brady). We do need to win now to be immortalized like the Steelers / 49'ers / Cowboys of past generations.

h) this years schedule is pretty cushy for another possible 1st round playoff bye.

This 2012 team is stocked for depth and locked and loaded........Patriots ARE really 1-2 difference makers on defense from another Lombardi.

Think of how close we were to SB victory in '07 and '11. In the recent playoff defeats - most were also close (only the Ravens loss was lobsided). Just a play or two the other way WILL make the difference for another trophy.

In the old days, a Willie Mac stop or a Vrabel sack or a Bruschi forced fumble or a Ty Law interception would seal the deal in the 4th quarter. I am not saying to trade the farm for a lottery ticket. But the conditions listed above all come together to create that perfect storm which screams out: Do what it takes to get 1-2 difference makers on Defense - and do it now.

I rest my case your Honor(s)

 

[Blizzzard]

I would think that bill doesn't see anybody worth a 1st rd. pick..., or that wouldn't be there when we pick in the 2nd

 

[Snake Eyes]

Speaking of Barwin, so if BB has passed on Cushings, Mathews, Woodley, Barwin and countless scores of others at OLB in previous drafts, why does anybody think he will take a Perry, Mercilous, Branch or McCellin in the first round this year?

Isn't predicting BB to take any of those players the definition of insanity?

I think Cam Johnson and Shea McClellin would would be a good fit if available in the mid-2nd.

 

[OhExaulted1]

b) many of recent 2-3 NEP drafts have gone well and those players are entering their prime (Mayo, Wilfork, Seabass, Gronk, Chung, Hernandez, hopefully McCourtey) and promising up and comers need game playing time to see if can reach potential Ridley, Vereen, Solder, Canon, Ras I Dowling, etc.

I like the OL situation. If Seabass can stay healthy we'll be great even without Light (who's a bonifide Pat HOFer) He was as dominant as Solder has been when healthy and often overlooked.. I think Cannon will improve and can slide in and out. He's a great story. Even if we loose Light and Waters and Koppen leaving, we'll be fine. The inside has some great potential. Scar is still The best OL Coordinater in all of football, hands down. Ask Tom. I expect another late Rd. gem that Dante identifies.

That guy shouldn't have any 5 year waiting period to get in the Pat's HOF. It should be an automatic IN when he decides to call it a career. 32 years of service to NE, and he's still the best in the buisness. It's amazing.

 

[Henroc]

Im not completely against trading out of the 1st round entirely actually. It depends if a great player falls to them that fills a need then of course you take it. But say if miami calls , and they drafted someone such as lets say ingram... and they say we want back into the 1st round to get tannehill cause i doubt anyone else takes him and miami is dumb enough to do it also and we get their next pick in the second round..... all of a sudden we pick 31 and then a few more like 6 or 7 picks later again then again at 31 for that round. Thats three picks right there along with the second to last pick in the 1st round... and we probably get miami's 1st next year... or maybe we give em mallet for their 2nd round pick among others...
The scenarios are endless but i see value in the second round. Ive really grown to like harrison smith and jerel worthy. Most likely to still be available til the early mid 2nd round. But yea if the right player doesn't fall to the Pats at 27 then i say trade out to get more picks and just pick up all defensive players. possibly an OL in the 3rd or 4th also.

 

[OhExaulted1]

I would think that bill doesn't see anybody worth a 1st rd. pick..., or that wouldn't be there when we pick in the 2nd

What about next year? And what if he sees some 2nd or 3rd Rd talent worth taking a shot on instead of gambling on a 1st Rd washout. As another poster stated we're only stuck with a Rd 2 contract for 4 years. Were practically looking at 2 2nd Rders anyway at 27 and 31 plus what we already have at 48 and 62.

It looks like a weak draft to me. I'd be happy if we don't pick on Thursday. Too bad Davis croaked and we can't wheel-and-deal with OAK. anymore.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Im not completely against trading out of the 1st round entirely actually. It depends if a great player falls to them that fills a need then of course you take it. But say if miami calls , and they drafted someone such as lets say ingram... and they say we want back into the 1st round to get tannehill cause i doubt anyone else takes him and miami is dumb enough to do it also and we get their next pick in the second round..... all of a sudden we pick 31 and then a few more like 6 or 7 picks later again then again at 31 for that round. Thats three picks right there along with the second to last pick in the 1st round... and we probably get miami's 1st next year... or maybe we give em mallet for their 2nd round pick among others...
The scenarios are endless but i see value in the second round. Ive really grown to like harrison smith and jerel worthy. Most likely to still be available til the early mid 2nd round. But yea if the right player doesn't fall to the Pats at 27 then i say trade out to get more picks and just pick up all defensive players. possibly an OL in the 3rd or 4th also.

I'm on board with H.Smith. Shea McClellin of Boise would be a good fit too. Vrabel type.