Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticipated

[patsfaninpa]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

The notion that the cap would keep going up forever is about as realistic as believing your house can only keep appreciating in value forever. When the cap first started IIRC, it was somewhere around $35MM Its now $120. Nothing keeps expanding without experiencing some down turns. If what they are saying is true about the league borrowing money to prop up the cap for the the next few years, then Bob Kraft's warning about the expected spike in 2014 no coming make a lot more sense now. Its never good to "borrow from Peter to pay Paul" long term.

Hopefully the NFLPA and the agents will see the common sense in a slow growth of this incredibly lucrative pie, and not whine about that its "not big enough". If they do, they are fools. Players have never been as well paid, protected, and able to make money outside the game. To hear them whine about "not enough" is simply obscene.

Glad to hear from Jonathan Kraft. The cap is based on revenues. If the revenue keeps increasing, the cap rises. Unless, you would like to see the Kraft Family keep a bigger pct. Nobody has said anything about borrowing money. It's a simple mathematical formula. The cap is a pct. of revenue. Don't believe the doomsayers or whomever you are listening to. The Krafts are doing fine.

 

[shmessy]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

I'd prefer the cap to be quite a bit higher than it is now. 140million maybe

Best of luck to your team, Mr. Snyder.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

Glad to hear from Jonathan Kraft. The cap is based on revenues. If the revenue keeps increasing, the cap rises. Unless, you would like to see the Kraft Family keep a bigger pct. Nobody has said anything about borrowing money. It's a simple mathematical formula. The cap is a pct. of revenue. Don't believe the doomsayers or whomever you are listening to. The Krafts are doing fine.

The mathmatical formula last season resulted in a cap of < $116M which was totally untenable from a union perspective so the sides agreed to borrow money from future caps to prop it up at $120.3M. This year the calculation resulted in a just a little north of $116M cap, a decrease of $4M. That was unacceptable to a lot of parties, so the league and union again agreed to borrow money from the future caps to increase this year's cap to $120.6M. That money will be deducted from the projected TV deals windfall.

Last week Charlie Casserly projected that the 2013 AND 2014 caps would remain flat ($121M) and the increase by 2015 would only be to $122M. What Rich Cimini reports via Clayton that the executive committee of the Management Council in fact advised teams at the owners meetings substantiates the reports of those you characterize as doomsayers. Bob Kraft, who said last week he hoped that AFCE rivals would be spending in anticipation of a windfall that isn't coming, is a member of that committee. And he is doing fine... because his team manages the cap realistically with a long term vision.

Jets could be choked by future salary caps - Jets Blog - ESPN New York

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

Last week Charlie Casserly projected that the 2013 AND 2014 caps would remain flat ($121M) and the increase by 2015 would only be to $122M. What Rich Cimini reports via Clayton that the executive committee of the Management Council in fact advised teams at the owners meetings substantiates the reports of those you characterize as doomsayers. Bob Kraft, who said last week he hoped that AFCE rivals would be spending in anticipation of a windfall that isn't coming, is a member of that committee. And he is doing fine... because his team manages the cap realistically with a long term vision.

Jets could be choked by future salary caps - Jets Blog - ESPN New York

Yet somehow the league pulls loopholes outa their asses e.g. the CBA paragraph that allowed poor cap management teams q.v. the NY Jets to escape from a $10M dead cap hell. I expect similar 'adjustments' to be made going forward that benefit certain teams.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

Yet somehow the league pulls loopholes outa their asses e.g. the CBA paragraph that allowed poor cap management teams q.v. the NY Jets to escape from a $10M dead cap hell. I expect similar 'adjustments' to be made going forward that benefit certain teams.

Meh...at the end of the day how much has it really helped them... It's almost as if it creates a false sense of wellbeing that just causes them to keep making the same bold mistakes that have resulted in where are they at now...43 years and counting?

 

[patfanken]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

Glad to hear from Jonathan Kraft. The cap is based on revenues. If the revenue keeps increasing, the cap rises. Unless, you would like to see the Kraft Family keep a bigger pct. Nobody has said anything about borrowing money. It's a simple mathematical formula. The cap is a pct. of revenue. Don't believe the doomsayers or whomever you are listening to. The Krafts are doing fine.

I have NO idea what your are talking about. Its been DOCUMENTED that the league has borrowed money from the future revenues to prop up the cap numbers now. There is no "wishful thinking", its been reported by numerous sources

Nothing I wrote in my post REMOTELY mentions or otherwise refers to the Krafts, so I have NO idea what all the sarcastic Kraft crap you wrote in your post. The only thing I mentioned about the Kraft was Bob's comment about future increases, which are being confirmed by more reporters with every passing day

There are no "doomsayers" there is only economic fact. Prices and revenues do not JUST go up, or were asleep the Past 5 years. You are the delusional one if you are expect a $140MM cap anytime soon.

You post is so far off base, I can only assume you are referring to another poster. BTW- the NFL could go belly up tomorrow and the Krafts would be "doing fine".

 

[BTTA]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

Yet somehow the league pulls loopholes outa their asses e.g. the CBA paragraph that allowed poor cap management teams q.v. the NY Jets to escape from a $10M dead cap hell. I expect similar 'adjustments' to be made going forward that benefit certain teams.

This is inevitable as long as the Jests take the lead on irresponsible cap management and one of their employees is taking a sabbatical as Commissioner.

 

[jason423]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

I think what is going on here is that people expected this windfall with the new TV deal, except the NFL owners did not want what happened the last time with the rapid exploding cap so these deals see very slow growth early and will rise greatly later on. Its a good job by the owners to get costs back in line. They already did it with the rookie cap, which is in line to get rolled back this year and probably next year as well. They got the franchise tags rolled back.

Now its time to roll the high level salaries back. Teams are still overpaying for what is considered top level talent. When you do that it forces your hand to fill up the rest of the team with low cost nobodies. The guys who lose are those mid level veterans. The Jets are a good example of that with alot of high priced guys and few mid range players. Prior to the Williams signing Buffalo was the other extreme with a collection of mid tier players making up the entire roster. I actually think the Pats are closer to the Jets with the exception of the fact that Brady is so good they can recruit players like Lloyd to play under market value.

This is the first year of cold hard reality for the mid tier vets. There is no market for them. When teams dont win following the plans in place they are going to go to the agents with the high tier players (other than QB of course) and say "we just dont have the money to do it". For the most part the Jerod Mayo, David Harris, Nnamdi Asomuhga, Mario Williams, Bart Scott, Karlos Dansby, etc...deals will all be looked at as deals that can never happen again. Thats what the league really wants to happen. Higher tier talent on more reasonable contracts. Low rising caps will make it happen. The bottom line is the NFLPA got destroyed by the owners in this last renegotiation.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Cap will remain flat through 2014...and any spike won't be as dramatic as anticip

... The bottom line is the NFLPA got destroyed by the owners in this last renegotiation.

Absolutely. The moment the NFLPA agreed to a percentage below 50%, it was a beatdown victory for the owners. They didn't stop there, though, and won other important things, too, like the Commissioner still being judge/jury/executioner and locking in the deal for a full decade.