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SMY: A long term deal for Welker could be in the works


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I seem to recall one reason we got him was because he was pretty good in Miami too. Not necessarily big yardage, but several plays that moved the chains. I think there are several systems out there that he'd do fine in.


And there are many other teams that would adjust their system to feature him
 
The patriots are likely to have a youngster on the roster as a WR. This is general waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. Belichick finds his WR production in free agents and in trades. It is NOT necessary to plan to fill all positions in the draft.

The Pats already had Patten and Troy Brown and then drafted Branch and Givens.

Id say those draft picks worked out OK.
 
That was a long time ago.

The waste is the using of early draft picks.

I never have a problem with trying to find a diamond in the rough in the late rounds. Givens and Edelman are examples of this success.

The Pats already had Patten and Troy Brown and then drafted Branch and Givens.

Id say those draft picks worked out OK.
 
SMY is dead wrong so far.
 
SMY is dead wrong so far.

How can she be dead wrong about saying today that the player and team are working on a deal? Do you have some kind of evidence that they are not?
 
That was a long time ago.

The waste is the using of early draft picks.

I never have a problem with trying to find a diamond in the rough in the late rounds. Givens and Edelman are examples of this success.

Edelman has been a decent return guy and all around handyman, but I find it very hard to call him a success as a WR
 
That was a long time ago.

The waste is the using of early draft picks.

I never have a problem with trying to find a diamond in the rough in the late rounds. Givens and Edelman are examples of this success.

Edelman brings more to the table as a DB than a WR.

Id like to see the Pats spend at least a 2nd on a WR. Granted the Pats got burned on Bethel and Chad Jackson/Johnson. After NE picked Bethel, Anquan Boldin, Nate Burleson and Brandon Lloyd were picked. After NE picked Chad, Greg Jennings, Devin Hester and Marcues Colston were there. There are damn good WRs in every draft, NE needs to do a better job of finding one.

The going on the cheap/scrub approach just is not working out in the passing game: Price, Slater, Edelman, PK Sam, then non - draftees like Aiken, Stanback and Underwood.
 
Crazy idea but I'm not totally convinced the Pats want a long term deal (4+ years) w/ Welker. There has been crazy money and Welker has to be thinking he deserves more than the other receivers who were available. If we simply franchise him again next year we'll have gotten him at 2 years 20-22 mil and give ourselves 2 years to find new receivers who complement Gronk and AHern. We can't be paying Welker, Gronk and Hernandez all at once in '14.

Perhaps after 2 years of franchising him we can sign Welker to 33 year old Welker to a cheaper yearly deal that is longer / more guaranteed than what other teams are offering.
 
Edelman was drafted in the 7th round. He is still here. He is a decent returner, an emergency defensive back and an OK backup slot receiver. I guess we all have our own definitions of success.

Edelman has been a decent return guy and all around handyman, but I find it very hard to call him a success as a WR
 
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Crazy idea but I'm not totally convinced the Pats want a long term deal (4+ years) w/ Welker. There has been crazy money and Welker has to be thinking he deserves more than the other receivers who were available. If we simply franchise him again next year we'll have gotten him at 2 years 20-22 mil and give ourselves 2 years to find new receivers who complement Gronk and AHern. We can't be paying Welker, Gronk and Hernandez all at once in '14.

Perhaps after 2 years of franchising him we can sign Welker to 33 year old Welker to a cheaper yearly deal that is longer / more guaranteed than what other teams are offering.

I think you probably have to give Welker 4 years. I'm not sure you get 4 years out of him though... That guy take a LOT of tough hits in the middle, and aside from his ACL tear seems to bounce back up.

But no GM let alone Belichick is going to bank on Welker being healthy and as productive as he has been in his past performance. The smarter and safer thing to do is use the next two years to groom Welker and Lloyd's replacement (assuming we sign both)

Assuming anyone is going to be the exception to the rule of age catching up with them, be it Brady, Welker, or any player, is just foolish. Hopefully you get lucky and they defy the odds for a few extra years, but you never bank on that.
 
SMY is dead wrong so far.
She was dead wrong on the Lloyd signing too. Dead wrong.

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Edelman brings more to the table as a DB than a WR.

T, you are certainly on the "Edelman is a scrub bandwagon".....and you couldn't be more wrong. Did you see what Edelman did as a rookie.... in his first year....playing WR....EVER. It was extraordinary. Now you want to damn him simply because he hasn't gotten many snaps in the regular offense since. Just because he hasn't been able to beat out the most productive WR in the league the last 3 years, he has become a useless JAG - Thank god for the Packers that you weren't deciding Aaron Rodgers fate after his 3rd year of non production. :rolleyes: Or Wes Welker's Or Rob Ninkovich....OR a hundred other successful NFL players like ...oh Brandon Lloyd :rolleyes:

Edelman is a LOT more than just a part time DB - Take a closer look, T. On punt return, you can count on one hand the number of punts that aren't fair caught that he doesn't make at least one defender miss. On the coverage teams, he is one of the surest tacklers. Actually in the 2ndary, he's one of the surest tacklers. How can forget that in the ONE year where he got significant snaps and looks, he produced beyond any rational expectation, for a 7th round rookie, who never played the position.

Now he is going into his 4th year of his WR apprenticeship. On what basis would make you believe he wouldn't be productive if he got the chance play 30-40 plays in a game?

With all these WRs coming in, it will be a great chance to see whose right. I think that BB will keep only 5 WRs (not counting Slater), so if you are right, then Edelman should be gone, right? If I'm right he'll be here for the duration of his contract.

Your obvious disdain for his game confuses me.

Id like to see the Pats spend at least a 2nd on a WR. Granted the Pats got burned on Bethel and Chad Jackson/Johnson. After NE picked Bethel, Anquan Boldin, Nate Burleson and Brandon Lloyd were picked. After NE picked Chad, Greg Jennings, Devin Hester and Marcues Colston were there. There are damn good WRs in every draft, NE needs to do a better job of finding one.
And every team could have had Gronk....some twice. And every team could have has Hernandez....some had 4 shots. The 20-20 hind sight game is nice for message board,debate, but ridiculous outside of FF. BTW- Devin Hester is a HORRIBLE WR.

The going on the cheap/scrub approach just is not working out in the passing game: Price, Slater, Edelman, PK Sam, then non - draftees like Aiken, Stanback and Underwood.
Price was cut more because we had to sign a C off the PS in order to have someone give Brady the ball. If we weren't down to our #4 C, he never would have been cut and who knows how he would have developed. Slater is an all pro special teamer, a Captain, and came to the Pats as a S prospect. He shouldn't be on your list. Edelman has given us more than the value of a 7th round pick - And as far as the rest, EVERY team in the league can produce a similar list. So what's your point.

BTW- As to the 2 higher picks (Bethel, and Jackson) - Bethel closer to a Moroney type disappointment. We got some production from him as a receiver (he had one of 2 TD's in a playoff game -and won a Miami game with a spectacular catch - And we got good production from him as a return guy - Disappointing sure, but not useless. Jackson was a flat out waste of a pick, though at the time all the "experts" thought it was brilliant. They were wrong too. ;)
 
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Welker is great no question about it, but I think alot of his success is a result of the QB and the system. We've seen TB make alot of money for alot of WRs and Wes is another.

Not sure Wes would be the player that he is on another team in another offense and I think he knows that.

Hope the long term deal isn't anything over 4 years.

You wonder if an Amendola (younger) coming in for a #2 at 1/4 the price and potentially similar production might be something BB is looking at.

My own little theory:

Lets just say we keep Welker and trade for Amendola. We have Josh McDaniels back as OC and what does he like to do? He likes to spread them out! Think about it!
 
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