Cap Talk: How the he** are the redskins...

[stcjones]

who are supposedly in cap trouble and got reprimanded for it, going out and signing EVERYBODY!!!????? They got RG3 coming on board as the 2nd pick which will cost them a fair amount.....then Garcon....Then Morgan.....Now Merriweather.......how are they doing it?

 

[Marqui]

The cap is crap.

 

[patsfaninpa]

The Skins had 36m. Lost 18m. Signed a wr for what 7 and 3. Meriweather is prob less than 1m. RG3 will make about 20m4. Math works for me.

 

[Rob0729]

I heard on the radio today that someone reported that the league have found that the contract structure of some of the deals they did this week violate cap rules and could be fined draft picks. I haven't been able to find this report though.

Florio reported earlier this week that the Redskins did some really questionable things with Morgan's and Garcon's contracts to make their cap hit negligible this year.

 

[stcjones]

The Skins had 36m. Lost 18m. Signed a wr for what 7 and 3. Meriweather is prob less than 1m. RG3 will make about 20m4. Math works for me.

I heard 28 mil for RG3 .....just seems amazing that they can sign so many guys and yet the Pats don't open the wallet for anyone. I know it is their style and recipe....but still interesting...

 

[Rob0729]

I heard 28 mil for RG3 .....just seems amazing that they can sign so many guys and yet the Pats don't open the wallet for anyone. I know it is their style and recipe....but still interesting...

Well, with the continual success of the Redskins' franchise since Snyder bought the team and the continual failures of the Belichick lead Patriots, you would think the Pats would adopt the Redskins' "winning" strategy.

 

[jmt57]

Rookies don't typically get signed until a day or two before the start of training camp; teams have between now and then to make space for them. All teams had to be under the cap by the start of the new league year, which coincided with the start of free agency on Tuesday.

In addition with the new CBA the days of deals like Bradford got as a draftee from the Rams are history; Luck and RGIII will get nothing close to that. Cam Newton by comparison got a 4-year deal for $22 million last year; considering the cap went up less than a million this year and RGIII will be the second pick in the draft, my guess is that it will be no more than that; certainly not $28 million.

Most of the dead money that Washington had in the recent past is off the books at this point. They're also not really bound to any current big money, eight-figure cap number contracts the way teams with elite quarterbacks are.

As for the cap money they were assessed, they still had $12.5 million available even after they lost $18 million in cap space.

Washington Redskins salary cap shows you their individual cap figures.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

yet the Pats don't open the wallet for anyone. I know it is their style and recipe.

Do you have any idea how that statement makes you look? When the Pats resgined Brady, he was the highest paid QB ever. When they signed Wilfork, he was the highest paid NT ever. Look at Mankin's contract. The Pats spend near the cap every year and have since Kraft has owned the team.

 

[patfanken]

Here's the surprising thing, Merriweather signed for 2 years for $6MM. I can't imaging anyone signing Brandon for $3mm/yr. BB and his staff could coach him to be dependable, and he ended up being released. Lovie and his staff tried, and he being demoted and let go. Why would the Skins staff think that it will be any better with them. He the classic feast or famine safety who is more famine than feast.....and being "uncoachable" isn't a good thing.

Who know's. The talent is there. Maybe the 3rd time is the charm.

 

[shmessy]

Here's the surprising thing, Merriweather signed for 2 years for $6MM. I can't imaging anyone signing Brandon for $3mm/yr. BB and his staff could coach him to be dependable, and he ended up being released. Lovie and his staff tried, and he being demoted and let go. Why would the Skins staff think that it will be any better with them. He the classic feast or famine safety who is more famine than feast.....and being "uncoachable" isn't a good thing.

Who know's. The talent is there. Maybe the 3rd time is the charm.

The Skins are always fun to watch!

I hope some of that contract for Merriwether is guaranteed.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I heard on the radio today that someone reported that the league have found that the contract structure of some of the deals they did this week violate cap rules and could be fined draft picks. I haven't been able to find this report though.

Florio reported earlier this week that the Redskins did some really questionable things with Morgan's and Garcon's contracts to make their cap hit negligible this year.

These stories CANNOT be allowed to eclipse the constant media mantra of camera placement infractions.

 

[DW Toys]

The Skins are always fun to watch!

I hope some of that contract for Merriwether is guaranteed.

I am willing to bet Shanny placed a call to BB.
DW Toys

 

[TheComeback]

I heard 28 mil for RG3 .....just seems amazing that they can sign so many guys and yet the Pats don't open the wallet for anyone. I know it is their style and recipe....but still interesting...

The Patriots invest everywhere in the roster, not just the top. The Pats never sit on $25m+ of cap space like truly cheap teams do (Chiefs). They give themselves a small cushion so they can add depth throughout the year.

All those constant additions and subtractions during the year of supposedly "scrub" and average players actually don't happen for a lot of teams. I'll take flexibility over rigidity every day. If you pay attention, you'll notice other consistent teams like the Steelers and Giants doing the same thing.

 

[jmt57]

I heard 28 mil for RG3 .....just seems amazing that they can sign so many guys and yet the Pats don't open the wallet for anyone. I know it is their style and recipe....but still interesting...

I think that concept is primarily due to (a) us focusing on what any and every other team does (coveting every free agent; the grass is always greener on the other side), and (b) our forgetting about money that has already been spent. Let's compare the top ten cap numbers for the two teams (numbers in millions)

Patriots
$15.208 - Tom Brady
$9.515 - Wes Welker
$9.333 - Jerod Mayo
$8.608 - Vince Wilfork
$8.000 - Matt Light
$7.000 - Logan Mankins
$4.683 - Chad Ochocinco
$3.250 - Jeff Fanene (guesstimate)
$3.008 - Stephen Gostkowski
$2.267 - Rob Ninkovich


Redskins
$8.300 - DeAngelo Hall
$6.600 - Trent Williams
$6.450 - Barry Coefield
$6.317 - Santana Moss
$5.785 - Chris Cooley
$5.500 - Stephen Bowen
$5.334 - Josh Wilson
$5.000 - Jammal Brown
$4.700 - Pierre Garcon
$4.300 - Chris Chester

I'm guessing Josh Morgan's cap number will be about $2 million and Meriweather's about $3 million, which would put neither one in Washington's top ten. When you look at the amount allotted to the top six players rather than the top ten then it becomes easy to see why it is easier for a team like the Redskins to spend more freely.

It is ironic however, because the Patriots philosophy is to try and spend their money more evenly throughout the entire roster, while Washington on the other hand is committed to placing a disproportionate percentage of their money at the top of the roster. However, because the Patriots have better top tier players the opposite is true; the Pats have $57.664 million dedicated to their top six roster spots while the Redskins have only $38.452 million committed to their six most expensive players.

 

[Ring 6]

who are supposedly in cap trouble and got reprimanded for it, going out and signing EVERYBODY!!!????? They got RG3 coming on board as the 2nd pick which will cost them a fair amount.....then Garcon....Then Morgan.....Now Merriweather.......how are they doing it?

Look at their roster. They have no players, and they cheated to put 36 mill of dead money into 2010.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that concept is primarily due to (a) us focusing on what any and every other team does (coveting every free agent; the grass is always greener on the other side), and (b) our forgetting about money that has already been spent. Let's compare the top ten cap numbers for the two teams (numbers in millions)

Patriots
$15.208 - Tom Brady
$9.515 - Wes Welker
$9.333 - Jerod Mayo
$8.608 - Vince Wilfork
$8.000 - Matt Light
$7.000 - Logan Mankins
$4.683 - Chad Ochocinco
$3.250 - Jeff Fanene (guesstimate)
$3.008 - Stephen Gostkowski
$2.267 - Rob Ninkovich


Redskins
$8.300 - DeAngelo Hall
$6.600 - Trent Williams
$6.450 - Barry Coefield
$6.317 - Santana Moss
$5.785 - Chris Cooley
$5.500 - Stephen Bowen
$5.334 - Josh Wilson
$5.000 - Jammal Brown
$4.700 - Pierre Garcon
$4.300 - Chris Chester

I'm guessing Josh Morgan's cap number will be about $2 million and Meriweather's about $3 million, which would put neither one in Washington's top ten. When you look at the amount allotted to the top six players rather than the top ten then it becomes easy to see why it is easier for a team like the Redskins to spend more freely.

It is ironic however, because the Patriots philosophy is to try and spend their money more evenly throughout the entire roster, while Washington on the other hand is committed to placing a disproportionate percentage of their money at the top of the roster. However, because the Patriots have better top tier players the opposite is true; the Pats have $57.664 million dedicated to their top six roster spots while the Redskins have only $38.452 million committed to their six most expensive players.

As always, good work JMT.

 

[Ring 6]

I am willing to bet Shanny placed a call to BB.
DW Toys

If he placed a call to BB I think he would not have signed Meriwhether

 

[resdubwhite]

Cap questions and a Shanahan.

Cap questions and a Shanahan.


Cap questions and a shanahan.

Now I know I should remember this, but damn I can't for the life of me think when.

 

[shmessy]

I am willing to bet Shanny placed a call to BB.
DW Toys

.....and got the return equivalent value of insight BB received from Shanny regarding Haynesworth last year?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Cap questions and a Shanahan.

Cap questions and a Shanahan.


Cap questions and a shanahan.

Now I know I should remember this, but damn I can't for the life of me think when.

Yeah, it's hard to find even if you google...

That's because it was in the dark ages when Tagliabue ruled that no one who owned or managed or coached that team to two superbowls by cheating the cap was really responsible for those unintentional infractions, it was a cap accounting misunderstanding by some accounting tool who was conveniently long gone by the time the information surfaced who made all those decisions...and there was clearly no competitive advantage to getting to retain Elway and Davis and others on two seperate occasions via under the table deferred deals that didn't take up cap space... They just happened to win two super bowls while technically violating the salary cap twice to the tune of tens of millions...

Ever wonder why the IRS doens't allow ignorance the rules as a viable defense...