Omar Kelly on possible Vjax to Pats

[supafly]

It will be interesting to see how Belichick regards the weaknesses of the team moving forward, and whether more attention is paid to defense or offense, we can make arguments that support either move.

One theory is that BB could feel that there are not as many missing pieces on defense as some of us think, and that we 'need' that one big-play WR to produce better and open up the underneath and middle routes for the other 3 outlets too. I would not put it past Belichick to feel that the best defense is a lights out offense, and that we're pretty close to achieving that. It also could be argued that the offense has been the side of the ball to let us down in the past 2 SB's, putting up a whopping 14 and 17 pts after a total of FOUR weeks of preparation. (Not trying to get into that argument again, just stating that the ultimate opinion comes down to one man's, and this may or may not factor into his choices)

No matter what, I am sure that his moves will improve the team, at least when you look at the proven track record so far.

I am also quite certain that the moves would be argued and criticized too, by those who wish that different moves/choices were made.

As far as the report goes, I won't believe it until its done, as VJax just doesn't seem to be that "Patriots kind of guy" to me; not for the cost, attitude, or production. Belichick may indeed have a differing opinion.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I remember a dude on this board last year, claiming to have inside contacts in Foxboro,who said Vjax is the Pats #1 rated WR or something like that. At least it's something interesting to think about.

He must be terrible then, since we all know that the Pats can't evaluate WRs.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

I remember a dude on this board last year, claiming to have inside contacts in Foxboro,who said Vjax is the Pats #1 rated WR or something like that. At least it's something interesting to think about.

Yup that was me. My source has long since been removed, he took another job. I can pretty much tell you what his position was because it doesnt matter at this point. He was a security guy. Worked their full time, saw most of the players. KNEW most of the players (albeit not high end ones) but the dude was dead on with info.

He nailed the Donte Stallworth staying at the stadium late at night and in the bubble trying to learn the offense because he didnt get the routes.

He nailed Jerod Mayo being the guy.

Nailed Moss being a distraction

and nailed Adailus Thomas signing. I dont know who he knew but he got the good stuff and always loved to chat it up.

TO BE FAIR.

He was dead wrong on London Fletcher and Derrick Thomas.

but was good with hearing rumors of who they were interested in and who they werent

After Ocho/Price I hope they've completely revamped their WR rating system by now.

For some reason I'm finding it difficult to get excited about giving a huge contract to a receiver that hasn't proven they can learn this offense yet. Plus I'd rather spend more money on defense.

From what my boy told me that Pats front office loved V Jax. Height, speed, aggressiveness. Think of a faster taller stronger David Givens.

That was a guy on the ESPN board that was reposted here. I think he was bogus, but if he gets this one right, he may not have been. Probably not really as much of an insider as he claims, but a guy with some info. There are plenty of posters on this board and other boards who have peripheral contacts with the Pats and get the occasional pieces of info.

Nope Chuck Testa....



Nah seriously i posted in like two years ago.

 

[strngplyr]

Isn't Vjax one strike away from being suspended for the entire year. I just don't think BB takes that type of risk.

This isn't mentioned enough. The guy is a DUI away from missing an entire season due to his history. I don't want to put money into a guy who might have a drinking (or at least a decision making) problem.

 

[Rob0729]

Nope Chuck Testa....



Nah seriously i posted in like two years ago.

He might have been talking about you, but you were not the guy I am talking about. The guy I am talking about was called PatriotInsider or something like that and claimed to have inside knowledge about a number of Patriots related things. One of them was that the Pats were going to jump all over VJax if he became a free agent.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

He might have been talking about you, but you were not the guy I am talking about.

Oiseewhatyoursayingthere

 

[ProudestRyno]

Pretty harsh slam on a quality poster. I didn't expect that from you.

It's actually not at all surprising coming from tunescribe...

 

[Simple Jack's Brother]

I know VJax doesn't have ALLL that many miles on him (see: holdout, general knucklehead), but at 29 how long could he realistically be a dominant receiver?

 

[Sciz]

I know VJax doesn't have ALLL that many miles on him (see: holdout, general knucklehead), but at 29 how long could he realistically be a dominant receiver?

I don't know about dominant, but he'll always be tall if nothing else. I'd have no problem giving him a contract for 3-4 years, where I wouldn't be comfortable giving Welker any more than 2.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Give me VJax over Wallace 8 days a week

Wallace is a very good player but Jackson would be dominant in this offense.

 

[supafly]

I don't know about dominant, but he'll always be tall if nothing else. I'd have no problem giving him a contract for 3-4 years, where I wouldn't be comfortable giving Welker any more than 2.

I think they are going to have to bite the bullet and offer Welker 3 yrs in this case, possibly even 4. That would offer more stability from Welker's point of view, and also increase the guaranteed money. I don't blame him when you consider that this is it, as far as being his one and only chance at a long term deal in the NFL.

I am sure that they can come up with something creative in case of Welker dropping off in production, even though I think he is fine for 3 more yrs considering his role. I honestly see no reason why Welker couldn't continue to use his strengths in this offense. It's not like anyone is counting on him to continue to have blazing speed, and to be able to beat outside press coverage on a regular basis.

If Welker can't utilize his strength of timing/cutting off/changing routes along with the advantage of still being able to juke a guy or two then I would be surprised. It would seem to me that he is using his brains and natural ability to be in coherence with Brady, while also being able to juke a bit, along with his knowledge of the offense to flourish in this situation. That being the case, he should be a fine candidate to produce until age 34. After all, his drive, work ethic and desire alone would seem to separate him from most guys for the worry of age; at least for the next 3 seasons.

Hopefully, he and his camp aren't wanting a 4 year deal, which is quite possible.

 

[supafly]

Give me VJax over Wallace 8 days a week

Wallace is a very good player but Jackson would be dominant in this offense.

I don't know about either one of them here personally, as they both seem to have some considerable question marks.

That said, we would not need to give up a very precious 1st rd pick for Jackson, nor would we have to worry about him disappearing at times, or possibly just being a one-trick pony.

If we had to choose who to give a 10 million dollar deal to, I would think that Jackson may be the better option; but again...I'm not sold that either one of these guys are actually being targeted by Bill Belichick, and that's what is important.

It will be fun to see what happens, that's for sure.

 

[jcdavey]

I don't know about either one of them here personally, as they both seem to have some considerable question marks.

That said, we would not need to give up a very precious 1st rd pick for Jackson, nor would we have to worry about him disappearing at times, or possibly just being a one-trick pony.

If we had to choose who to give a 10 million dollar deal to, I would think that Jackson may be the better option; but again...I'm not sold that either one of these guys are actually being targeted by Bill Belichick, and that's what is important.

It will be fun to see what happens, that's for sure.

not true

jackson does like to give up on deep passes at times (but so did moss pre-ne)

he shows a lack of tenacity at times to fight for the ball (but so did moss, pre-ne)


but he's a damn good wr, and he does know how to get open, and he is very strong, and i'd say one of the best blocking wrs in the nfl

 

[Triumph]

Pretty harsh slam on a quality poster. I didn't expect that from you.

Im fairly certain Tune was talking about Omar Kelly thinking that the part after twitter was included in his rumor.

Trusting or believing?

 

[Gronkandez]

Welker is great but does he partially replicate what Gronk and Hernandez provides, a intermediate inside the hash receiving option? On paper it would be better to give the big contract to a guy like Vjax but it would be a big gamble to let a guy walk (after one year with the franchise tag) who's been so successful here.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I have trouble believing or trusting anybody who doesn't know the difference between "affect" and "effect."

 

[Joker]

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[IllegalContact]

If that were to happen, the Patriots would take a sizable step backward.

in what way?

 

[Wilfork#75]

I'm not at all a fan of signing VJax. First, it will likely cost $10+ million a season, which would mean we probably couldn't re-sign Welker, because that is too much to tie up in 2 WR's. This offense is based around being on the same page with the QB, and there isn't a player in the league that has a better on field relationship with Brady than Welker. We have no idea how VJax would not only fit the system, but work with Brady. At $10mil a year that is too big of a risk. The other issue of course is character. As Warren94 said, he may be 1 strike away from a year long suspension. To me, thats way too many risks for a guy when there is a strong FA and Draft Class for WR.

 

[Gronkandez]

I'm not at all a fan of signing VJax. First, it will likely cost $10+ million a season, which would mean we probably couldn't re-sign Welker, because that is too much to tie up in 2 WR's. This offense is based around being on the same page with the QB, and there isn't a player in the league that has a better on field relationship with Brady than Welker. We have no idea how VJax would not only fit the system, but work with Brady. At $10mil a year that is too big of a risk. The other issue of course is character. As Warren94 said, he may be 1 strike away from a year long suspension. To me, thats way too many risks for a guy when there is a strong FA and Draft Class for WR.

It is a risk but it's also a risk to hope to find a WR in the draft and a risk that Brady never gets a deep threat before he retires. FWIW I think the cap is going way up in 2014 when the new TV deal starts.