Torn between FA WRs Mike Wallace and Brandon Lloyd...

[bucky]

I can't see BB laying out much more than $3 mil/yr on any WR who doesn't have experience in his system.

 

[andrewgarrr]

How is this even a debate? If both are available, Wallace is the first choice hands down. Dude is a complete stud and way younger.

Lloyd has also proven successful in a very similar system with a less than average QB.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Wallace is not going to happen, way too expensive. Anybody hoping for Wallace, Ray Rice, or Mario Williams hope you're prepared for disappointment.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm torn between who I want most... Lloyd alot cheaper (presumably) and JMD's buddy but older. Then Wallace, would need a 1st rounder plus his high salary but hes 26 years old and has immense speed and great hands... Who do we all prefer?

Is there any real chance we could keep Welker and get both Wallace and Lloyd? And in the process drop Ocho and maybe even Branch...?

Nope <10 characters>

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

If I am correct then I believe the two best overall teams of the past decade in the Patriots and Steelers have never did any kind of trade whatsoever,In fact I don't remember any Patriot on a Steelers squad or vice versa who was involved into some kind of transaction.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I can't see BB laying out much more than $3 mil/yr on any WR who doesn't have experience in his system.

He laid out more than that 5 years ago for Welker. And Lloyd has 2 years of experience in his system under McDaniels in two different organizations with two different QB's.

 

[Schmo]

Wallace WAS my preference after the few times we played the Steelers, but after watching some highlights of both him and Lloyd, I think Lloyd would better serve our O. Wallace can create seperation, but Lloyd looks like a better route runner/sideline reciever. Plus, he is more aggressive going after the ball. Those frustrating long int's Brady had going after Slater and Gronk would have been handled much differently had Lloyd been the target.

 

[blackglass3]

Wallace is not going to happen, way too expensive. Anybody hoping for Wallace, Ray Rice, or Mario Williams hope you're prepared for disappointment.

I agree with 2 out 3 on this statement. I will not be at all surprised to see us go hard after Mario Williams.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I agree with 2 out 3 on this statement. I will not be at all surprised to see us go hard after Mario Williams.

Take down that Mario poster over your bed before Mom catches you!

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

lloyd

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[Sciz]

Give me Lloyd and a late first round pick as opposed to Wallace.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Given the resources that would be required to get them, plus Lloyd's proven production under McDaniels, I'll take Lloyd any day, no question. He'll be cheaper and won't cost a premium draft pick.

 

[billdog3484]

all things being equal, you would think it'd be a no brainer with Wallace. However, things are not equal. Considerations

(1) Difficulty of NE System - we did see Chad Johnson struggle picking up the offense. Can Wallace pick up the offense? Probably, but we pretty much know Lloyd can pick it up. +Lloyd (i think)

(2) Monetary Price - i would think Wallace would be more expensive on a per year basis. + Lloyd

(3) Other Price - Draft pick. It will cost at least a 1st rounder for Wallace. Just cash for Lloyd. + Wallace

(4) Ability - people can sure argue, but I think Wallace is a better player. + Wallace

(5) Fit - I think both players fit our offense. We need a deep ball to open up lanes in the middle of field for Gronk, Hernandez and presumably Welker. =

As an aside, an argument against both. Do we really want to sign Welker AND one of these guys? Thats a lot of money to tie up on receivers. I understand we need a vertical threat, but im guessing there are cheaper options (albeit less talented) out there that can help us. Further, was offense our problem? I would say no. an argument can be made that our D doesnt give up points, but it struggled getting off the field, and as a result, Brady was on the field on less possessions. I personally would love an elite pass rusher if we were to spend big bucks in free agency/Trade Market. Osi, Mario Williams, whoever

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This torn between two choices reminds me about late HS. The strawberry blonde or the brunette?

Good times. Good times.

 

[Deus Irae]

...Do we really want to sign Welker AND one of these guys? Thats a lot of money to tie up on receivers....

Yes. Let us know if there's anything else we can help you with....

 

[Reckedtrek]

This torn between two choices reminds me about late HS. The strawberry blonde or the brunette?

Good times. Good times.

Go for both... Highschool never had a salary cap!

As far as the main topic, I think the Pats need to focus most of their attention and resources on defense (could have sworn I've said that in previous years, too). On O they only need one more receiver and to draft a center of the future... So I think they go for Lloyd (cheaper, works well with JMD, knows the system) and then save the 31st pick for best D player unless it's a killer center that is a perfect fit. The other first will likely become a second and a first next year, and they use three 2nds ALL on D, or 2 on D and a center if the 31st was used on D.

All that said, I'm not holding my breath for a stud D player to be drafted by the Pats only to be frustrated once again. If it happens... great! :rocker:

 

[zipster9]

Give me Lloyd and a late first round pick as opposed to Wallace.

Er, No.

Lloyd is 31yrs old. Wallace is 26yrs old. Advantage: Wallace

Both are 6'0".

Wallace is faster than Lloyd.

Lloyd is a "me me" person. Ala, Moss.

Yes, Patriots would have to fork over 31st pick. But, you are getting a legit WR...

Big problem is that Patriots will get outbid by either Bengals, Ravens, 49ers, or Browns.

 

[zipster9]

all things being equal, you would think it'd be a no brainer with Wallace. However, things are not equal. Considerations

(1) Difficulty of NE System - we did see Chad Johnson struggle picking up the offense. Can Wallace pick up the offense? Probably, but we pretty much know Lloyd can pick it up. +Lloyd (i think)

(2) Monetary Price - i would think Wallace would be more expensive on a per year basis. + Lloyd

(3) Other Price - Draft pick. It will cost at least a 1st rounder for Wallace. Just cash for Lloyd. + Wallace

(4) Ability - people can sure argue, but I think Wallace is a better player. + Wallace

(5) Fit - I think both players fit our offense. We need a deep ball to open up lanes in the middle of field for Gronk, Hernandez and presumably Welker. =

As an aside, an argument against both. Do we really want to sign Welker AND one of these guys? Thats a lot of money to tie up on receivers. I understand we need a vertical threat, but im guessing there are cheaper options (albeit less talented) out there that can help us. Further, was offense our problem? I would say no. an argument can be made that our D doesnt give up points, but it struggled getting off the field, and as a result, Brady was on the field on less possessions. I personally would love an elite pass rusher if we were to spend big bucks in free agency/Trade Market. Osi, Mario Williams, whoever

You forgot, that AGE is a major factor, especially as a WR. Lloyd is 31. Wallace will be 26. That's a 5 yr difference. Who do you want to give a 4/5 yr deal?

 

[Sciz]

Er, No.

Lloyd is 31yrs old. Wallace is 26yrs old. Advantage: Wallace

Both are 6'0".

Wallace is faster than Lloyd.

Lloyd is a "me me" person. Ala, Moss.

Yes, Patriots would have to fork over 31st pick. But, you are getting a legit WR...

Big problem is that Patriots will get outbid by either Bengals, Ravens, 49ers, or Browns.

You take your 26 year old. I'll take the 31 year old AND the 22 year old.

 

[patsfan13]

You forgot, that AGE is a major factor, especially as a WR. Lloyd is 31. Wallace will be 26. That's a 5 yr difference. Who do you want to give a 4/5 yr deal?

IF Wallace can't master the system his age is irrelevant Brady won't throw him the ball.

The Pitts system is very simple a lot of their big plays are off broken plays with BR scrambling around.

The NE system requires the receiver to make a call from up to 5 routes at the line. Lloyd has already shown he can excel in the offense. WE have no idea if Wallace would be successful or if he will be J Galloway/Ocho.