The understated key to the Giants, and the difference between NE and NY

[Koma]

Were the Patriots not fortunate to have a regular season schedule that featured two games against teams that finished with winning records?

Was that within the Patriots control? Did they adjust their schedule week by week to play teams that they knew would finish the season .500 or worse? Or should the Patriots have to play a random division leader every week just to make sure they...Ah, why am I wasting my time responding to this?

 

[Joker]

I never said that...what I was referencing was YOU, referencing Gronk in the Giants win in Foxboro...YOU insinuated he did nothing in that game against your vaunted defense...I pointed out that Welker and Gronk ate your freakin' lunch that day and furthermore,that BRADY, through his three turnovers, was the REAL culprit in that loss. I still don't know why you posted what you did referencing Gronkowski...I'll just chalk it up to your unspoken fear and jealousy at what a healthy Gronkowski can do against your defense.

 

[Sciz]

Let me tell, the Pats wouldn't have fared much better than 9-7 if they had the Giants schedule. Fools good, pal, fools gold.

Patriots: 13-1 against teams 8-8 or below
Giants: 8-4 against teams 8-8 or below

That's the difference. The Packers, Saints, and 49ers I can understand. But losses to the Seahawks, Eagles, and Redskins twice are far worse than losses to the Bills, Giants, and Steelers.

 

[Joker]

answer THIS truthfully: did YOUR life flash before your eyes when Eli threw that flopping wounded duck that TWO SF defenders went after so hard that they knocked each other out of the game in the 4th quarter?..you remember, that 99 times out of 100 sure INT?

cherry picking what ifs work both ways....reality is the only thing that counts...your Giants won the last game of the season...congrats...the rest of this rubbish is just that...

 

[Sciz]

Answer this truthfully....do you think the Pats get past the Falcons, the Packers in Lambeau, and the 49ers in San Fran?

As long as the Packers drop 8 passes and the 49ers have two ST turnovers, absolutely.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

1)

I hope you folks enjoy another devastating Super Bowl loss at the hands of Eli and the G-Men.

two lucky wins and these guys are talking like they're pretty special. face reality. you guys are gonna fade into oblivion while the pats are going to continue to play in superbowls ad infinitum. i'll give the Gay-men this, they are the best 9-7 team ever.


Gay-men = luckiest team ever !!!

 

[borg]

Losing 2 SBs and a home game to the Gmen.....hats off to the better team

 

[ivanvamp]

The one Pierre Woods failed to recover in SB 42 was not luck.

It was worse than luck. It was a bad call by the ref. Woods had possession of the ball. He was on the ground. Then Bradshaw dove on him and wrestled the ball free. Because Woods had possession, the *instant* Bradshaw touched him, it should have been down by contact, Patriots' ball. But the refs allowed Bradshaw to rip the ball free.

Woods should have held on. Bradshaw hustled and outfought Woods. Those two things are undeniably true. But equally undeniably true is the fact that Woods HAD THE BALL and it should have been whistled dead the moment Bradshaw touched him.

A bad call that turned out to be a huge play in the game.

 

[Jackson 2]

Let me tell, the Pats wouldn't have fared much better than 9-7 if they had the Giants schedule. Fools good, pal, fools gold.

The Patriots and Giants played 9 games each against common opponents (Wash., Buff., Miami, Phil., Dallas and NYJ). NE was 8-1 in those games and New Jersey was 6-3. See ya...

 

[PatsFan2]

During the Giants' playoff run, there were 10 fumbles (not counting the one nullified by the Pats' penalty). 3 Giant fumbles and 7 opponent fumbles. Creating fumbles is a skill; recovering them, as statisticians will tell you, is essentially a 50/50 proposition. You can be in perfect position to recover it but, because of the shape of the ball, it could bounce totally away from you. So getting a fumble is mostly luck. Anyway, of these 10 fumbles, the Giants recovered *8* of them. All of them in the Super Bowl. Any one of them goes the other way and it's almost certainly the ballgame.

In the two Super Bowls between the two teams, there were 5 fumbles (4 by the Giants, 1 by the Patriots), and *ALL FIVE* were recovered by the Giants.

In the last 3 games between the two teams, there have been 9 fumbles (6 by NY, 3 by NE), and *8* of the 9 were recovered by the Giants. Again, forcing fumbles is a skill (and NE forced more Giant fumbles than NY forced Patriot fumbles). Recovering them is mostly luck, and those numbers I just cited are so far out of whack with what is statistically normal it boggles the mind.

Yes, we can talk about all kinds of things, but in many ways, the difference between these two evenly-matched teams comes down to the weird bounce of an oblong football.

And, frankly, that's a bit harder for me to take than if NY was simply better.

Add this Giants Defense batting down Brady's balls...Giants Defense putting fear into Brady. Somehow i don't think Eli was afraid of our D.:snob:

 

[Jackson 2]

Add this Giants Defense batting down Brady's balls...Giants Defense putting fear into Brady. Somehow i don't think Eli was afraid of our D.:snob:

Yeah, they must have been really scaring the sh!t out of Brady when he set the all-time SB record for consecutive completions (16 in a row) against them.

 

[jnug]

And more examples of why Giants fans are such dinks.

They can't even just enjoy the fact that they won the game but NOOOOOOOO.

Evans did not drop the ball. He had the ball knocked out of his hands and while the Ravens missed field goal was a break, had the Ravens hit that field goal the Ravens would have only tied the game not won it....unlike Norwoods miss in Super Bowl 25 which was for the win had he made it, a field goal that would have sent the G-men home crying in their beer. Missed field goals happen. They distinguish the great pressure field goal kickers of the game from the not so great for one thing.

As for the missed int. in the Niners game, I don't care who ran what route that was still a lame duck, Frisbee of a pass which anybody with a pair of eyes not blinded by Eli adoration could plainly see. However as another poster has already said, the G-men won 46' and everything else is just bull***t. Go back to your NY dungeon and learn to celebrate a victory with some class for a change.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah, they must have been really scaring the sh!t out of Brady when he set the all-time SB record for consecutive completions (16 in a row) against them.

Too bad Eli is wearing the Ring against us again.:snob:

 

[Jackson 2]

Too bad Eli is wearing the Ring against us again.:snob:

Too bad that Brady has more rings than Goober and Gomer combined has has made it to more SBs that the two hillbillies combined.

 

[PatsFan2]

Too bad that Brady has more rings than Goober and Gomer combined has has made it to more SBs that the two hillbillies combined.

Well Eli is batting 1,000 in SB's he's been perfect.:snob:

 

[Deus Irae]

Too bad that Brady has more rings than Goober and Gomer combined has has made it to more SBs that the two hillbillies combined.

Eli has 2, Peyton has 1

That's 3, same as Brady

 

[Ron Sellers]

Let me tell, the Pats wouldn't have fared much better than 9-7 if they had the Giants schedule. Fools good, pal, fools gold.

Pats vs NFCE 3-1
Giants vs NFCE 3-3

2011 AFC East: 33-31
2011 NFC East: 30-34

2010 AFC East: 36-28
2010 NFC East: 32-32


Congratulations to the Giants, they made a few more plays than the Patriots did and won the championship. But this 'easy schedule' and 'easy division' is nonsense that keeps getting repeated so many times that it is accepted as fact - yet has no basis for fact to support that claim.


What exactly is your purpose here? You're responding to dozens of threads, many of which were made in the immediate aftermath of the game in which fans of the team they support were simply venting. Believe it or not people do have knee-jerk reactions during and immediately after the game on internet message sites. What is your motivation, and your purpose of making essentially the same comment in a half dozen or more different threads, many of which were dead and buried with no commentary for over a week now?

 

[Ron Sellers]

1) No, my life didn't flash before my eyes. I'm a passionate football fan, no doubt, but I don't take it that seriously. It's not healthy.

And yet you feel compelled to resurrect and respond to any and every thread you can find in which some Pats fans were venting in the immediate aftermath of a tough, close loss, to tell them how wrong they are and how great the team you follow is, at almost 3:00 in the morning.

Methinks you do take this a bit more seriously than you care to admit.

 

[Deus Irae]

I do take it seriously....probably too seriously. But not to the point where my life would flash before my eyes on an incomplete pass in the third quarter.

And yes, I don't appreciate Pats fans trying to belittle the Giants two recent titles by saying it's all due to luck. Especially when the Pats were extraordinarily lucky to get past the Ravens.

Tom Brady is an all-time great and no one is saying Eli has had a better career. But Eli Manning is Tom Brady's daddy. It's indisputable. Eli and the Giants own Brady and the Pats head to head.

Brady's 2-3 against the Giants, including a game with a ridiculous helmet catch and penalties the officials concede probably should have been called, and one where a sure-handed Patriots receiver dropped what would likely have been the game sealing catch. That's hardly being owned. Keep on trolling, though.

 

[Deus Irae]

You must be talking about the holding penalty on 3rd and 1 in the Patriots side of the field called against the Giants on Wilfork, right? The one where Wilfork told the officials it was a bad call, right? The one that killed a Giant drive?

And if you want to talk about XLII....how about when Eli rolled to his left and had a wide open Burress and overthrew him by about a foot?

The Giants have made enough plays to beat the Pats in the last three games. The Pats haven't. Accept it.

No, actually, they haven't. Well, at least not without the help of the officials in the 2007 Super Bowl. Like the Steelers win against the Seahawks, the Giants win against the Patriots will always be tainted because the officials helped give the game away.

Again, though, keep trolling.