The McDaniels Effect

[Oceanviewer1]

I know it's early to be thinking about this, but what kind of an effect do you think the influence of Josh McDaniels will have on the current offenseive game plan? Will it necessitate the Pats going after a legitimate wide receiver who can stretch the field? How about acquiring an every-down back (ala Cory Dillon)? Just something to chew on until the Draft and free agency.

 

[Bertil]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

 

[MP-Logick]

I believe it'll be similar to what we did this year, tweaked of course for new personnel or whatever Belichick wants to do. I think the people who believe that we're going to go back to constant 3 WR sets and never ever running because McDaniels is back are wrong, Belichick and McDaniels will do their best to have a system based around the people on the team.

However I bet you we see more things like flea flickers and stuff like that though, you know McD always loved those plays like the lateral to Moss against the Steelers in 2007.

For those who have been complaining about no deep threat (I accidentally typed throat and had to change it btw) I wouldn't be surprised if under McD there's a little more emphasis on that and those kind of plays. For me the biggest takeaway from yesterday's game was when you have an offense that relies on short passes, it is very hard to have multiple long, sustained drives against a good defense without a big play or two. We had two straight, at the end of the first and the start of the second half, and then just couldn't put one together for the rest of the game.

 

[MP-Logick]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

We were trying to get the big play all the time in that game. This time we were throwing short passes to excellent effect. The interception and the drop killed drives in the second half that were going very well. They started with bad field position and just couldn't finish their drives this time.

 

[oldskool138]

Hopefully, he's not as run-averse as he was when he was here the first time.

 

[IcyPatriot]

McDaniels was taught by Belichick ... he will work with what we have IMO.

 

[ausbacker]

To be fair to the coordinators, there is only so much you can do when your best offensive weapon outside of Tom Brady is hobbled at the worst possible time.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

Pretty much the way I feel about it.
Look at the pass/run ratio from '07 and yesterday.
BO'B and Mac are the same person or is it that the QB is really the problem here and refuses to use all his weapons.

 

[MP-Logick]

Pretty much the way I feel about it.
Look at the pass/run ratio from '07 and yesterday.
BO'B and Mac are the same person or is it that the QB is really the problem here and refuses to use all his weapons.

Yes, Brady's playcalling clearly lost that game. Also, 1+1=3.

 

[stcjones]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

Brilliant post.....Josh McD didn't seem to be much different than what BOB brought out last night. I was psyched with some of the "different" wrinkles that I saw in the Denver game that were pretty creative. Hernandez out of the backfield.....the Weis quick screens....Gronk dropping back behind line to lay a block for the RB.....but those were not there much during the Balt and SB games. Just the usual Empty backfield that sells out the play completely and a whole bunch of shotgun draws (which were pretty effective last night) But we needed to pound the ball more last night....or make the D pay for a blitz with a quick pass to a RB in the flat or set up in backfield to keep them honest. I am not overly confident with McD coming back afterall....First of all it has to start with the personnel....and yes we need some KICK A#$ WR's, RB's and some top notch secondary players to start with. "If you don't have the groceries....you can't make a gourmet meal"-Bill Parcells

 

[randomk1]

I was just about to make a thread about this and i gotta say i agree on the general consensus in here...it's seems like a wash. He certainly isn't going to stick the running game any longer than BOB.

 

[patsfan-1982]

i dont think josh is a great OC i think the offense will be the same they will score 35+ vs bad teams and will have a hard time scoreing 20 vs any team that can hold gronk and welker under 10 rec each,


for me the key is can BB build a defense in 2012 that can get the big 3 and outs

 

[BradyMoss812]

i dont think josh is a great OC i think the offense will be the same they will score 35+ vs bad teams and will have a hard time scoreing 20 vs any team that can hold gronk and welker under 10 rec each,


for me the key is can BB build a defense in 2012 that can get the big 3 and outs

But if we bring in a deep threat (which I think we will), then that stretches the field vertically and Gronk, Hernandez & Welker get more catches.

Imagine if opposing teams have to worry about someone like Colston, VJax or Lloyd going downfield, with what we have already that's a matchup nightmare.

 

[jcdavey]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

IMO there was a HUGE difference

the pats were ALOT smarter this sb, they kept it underneath mostly, they didn't try and impose their deep passing game on the giants like they did in sb 42

in sb 42, they kept calling plays that took way too long to develop for the dline they were trying to develop them against....it just wasn't smart

this sb, brady had 16 completions in a row, because NE was taking what was being given to them, it was very smart

i'm not saying they didn't run enough, it's clear they didn't as evidenced by the time of possession discrepancy, but the passing game in sb 46 was leaps and bounds smarter than sb 42

 

[FalconHeavy]

I don't really see much difference in the McDaniels gameplan that lost SB 42 with the BoB one that lost last night. Too much passing, too little running combined with almost no imagination. I am not exactly optimistic. I will try hard to be once this pain wears away.

I totally agree ! until we establish a good clock killing running game and STICK to it in crucial games AKA superbowl, he ain't gonna do squat. BoB, McD are all cut from the same cloth, No adjustments, No imagination.

 

[Rob0729]

Hopefully, he's not as run-averse as he was when he was here the first time.

Well, it could be worse. He could be as run adverse as Charlie Weis who is the only Patriots OC to have the Pats run for less than 42% of the time (39.6%) in a single season.

People need to stop this "McDaniels never had the Pats run the ball crap". Other than 2004 where the Pats rand for nearly 51% of the time and 2003 where they ran for under 40% of the time, the Pats have always ran between 42-47% of the time no matter the coordinators. The stats back that up. McDaniels haters just made up the myth that he hated to run the ball.

 

[Rob0729]

McDaniels is far more imaginative than O'Brien. Even last year, people were complaining how predictable the Pats' offense was. McDaniels also seems to know how to attack other team's weaknesses better than O'Brien and the Pats almost always had fast starts with him.

O'Brien was better at making adjustments though.

Overall, McDaniels is a better OC. Based on how much time Belichick spent with his back to the game working with the defense with McDaniels vs. O'Brien, I think Belichick trusts McDaniels more to call a game without his supervision. Because the defense needed his attention less when McDaniels was here than when O'Brien ran things, yet he worked with the defense more to make in game adjustments when McDaniels was here running the offense.

 

[sevengables_2207]

I know it's early to be thinking about this, but what kind of an effect do you think the influence of Josh McDaniels will have on the current offenseive game plan? Will it necessitate the Pats going after a legitimate wide receiver who can stretch the field? How about acquiring an every-down back (ala Cory Dillon)? Just something to chew on until the Draft and free agency.

I can see them going after Brandon Lloyd in FA.

As for every down runningback, I heard a rumor that Run DMC is on the trading block. If this is even true, and NE feels the need to add a complete running back, he may be someone they inquire about, although I think they are okay at that position (personally feel they, as a unit, were underutilized and misused by O'Brien).

 

[sevengables_2207]

IMO there was a HUGE difference

the pats were ALOT smarter this sb, they kept it underneath mostly, they didn't try and impose their deep passing game on the giants like they did in sb 42

in sb 42, they kept calling plays that took way too long to develop for the dline they were trying to develop them against....it just wasn't smart

this sb, brady had 16 completions in a row, because NE was taking what was being given to them, it was very smart

i'm not saying they didn't run enough, it's clear they didn't as evidenced by the time of possession discrepancy, but the passing game in sb 46 was leaps and bounds smarter than sb 42

They had a guy named Moss who set records that season. Might explain why they called their fare share of long developing plays for their all-pro deep option in the passing game.

 

[makoute]

IMO there was a HUGE difference

the pats were ALOT smarter this sb, they kept it underneath mostly, they didn't try and impose their deep passing game on the giants like they did in sb 42

in sb 42, they kept calling plays that took way too long to develop for the dline they were trying to develop them against....it just wasn't smart

this sb, brady had 16 completions in a row, because NE was taking what was being given to them, it was very smart

i'm not saying they didn't run enough, it's clear they didn't as evidenced by the time of possession discrepancy, but the passing game in sb 46 was leaps and bounds smarter than sb 42

That's because they don't really have a deep passing game.