Given this loss, will Brady pass 4-0 Joe Montana?

[Rob0729]

Did Montana ever lose a Super bowl?

Joe: 1.000

Tom .600

No offense, but this is the stupidiest argument that is consistently made. So when Montana gets beat in the NFC Championship game it is not as bad as Brady losing in the Super Bowl? If Montana is one and done in the playoffs, it isn't as good as Brady losing the Super Bowl?

Yes, Montana has one more Super Bowl win, but Brady isn't done. If Brady finishes his career say 4-2 in the Super Bowl, he really should be disqualified from the GOAT talk because he got into six Super Bowls and lost two, but Montana got into four and won them all.

I am a person who really doesn't care if Brady is considered the best of all time. But if he ends up having as many Super Bowl rings as Montana and people disqualify Brady from GOAT talk because he lost two Super Bowls, I think it is a bogus argument. Granted, Brady still needs to win one more for this argument.

 

[upstater1]

Colts were terrible this year. Could be for the next few years. But today is a great day.

As long as you don't mind losing constantly, I guess it's alright to live vicarously through teams that are infinitely better than yours.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

With respect to Brady,even if they won last night Brady would still not be the best there ever was IMO,he probably would have needed one more.

Montana was the best I have ever seen,and the majority of members in here who think Brady is better were still pooping in their diapers or maybe not even a thought in their parents minds when Montana was in his prime.

Johnny U was pretty damn good too.

 

[strongside]

What does it matter if Brady passes montana or not. This fall under the heading of "states are for losers"

It matters to Brady thats for sure. The guy strives for excellence. He knows the benchmark is Montana.

 

[Betterthanmost]

We need Brady to go back and be a game manager again. He lately he gets into the habit of trying to win the game by forcing silly and stupid throws.
I believe it is a direct results of the fact that the defense does not stop anybody in terms of yards and if we are not far ahead, this is what can happen and it did happen.

 

[fgssand]

I always felt it would take five rings............I still do.

Once upon a time I felt he would get his 5 no problem, now I wonder if he will get #4.

I just cant believe what I watched last night. Every penalty, fumble, catch and break when against them.

Missed passes, missed opportunities.........wow.

 

[reflexblue]

I always felt it would take five rings............I still do.

Once upon a time I felt he would get his 5 no problem, now I wonder if he will get #4.

I just cant believe what I watched last night. Every penalty, fumble, catch and break when against them.

Missed passes, missed opportunities.........wow.

Yeah, it was like it wasn't meant to be.

 

[Bertil]

That ship has sailed. There will be zero Super Bowl championships in his future.

This team has been on his back for so long that I think he will soon crumble from the burden. He wasn't the same after he got the left shoulder reinjured last night. He is not going to be more healthy in the future, he will be less healthy. This era is over. It's a young man's game. Now, we're all in denial. He'll be 35 next year. The only QB to win one at that age was Elway, and that was only after the focus offensively was elsewhere.

 

[SpaceOdyssey]

It matters to Brady thats for sure. The guy strives for excellence. He knows the benchmark is Montana.

I agree with this. Brady strives for perfection and excellence, he knows that Montana is the echelon of quarterbacks. Of course the media, analysts, etc. will criticize Tom's legacy for losing his last 2 Superbowls. But in all honesty, it doesn't matter because Tom is one of the greatest QBs, especially in the FA era. There's nothing that can take that away from him. The only thing is that Brady won't be considered the greatest, and that's fine because it is all a matter of opinion anyways.

 

[jnug]

I don't care if Tom passes Montana or not. Frankly I don't think he can or will but that is besides the point.

This is much more a quarterback league than it was in Montana's day but in reality even Tom's glory years and SB years were in a different league than the league we have today.

Great plays out of the quarterback position are amplified and mistakes out of the quarterback position are amplified as well. Just cannot make this many mistakes out of the quarterback position and miss on so many opportunities out of the quarterback position and expect to win any longer.

Even Tom's shoulder is really on Tom. I have no idea why he went into that spin move when he did. There was no extra yardage to be made, no pass that could have been completed at that point. All Tom did was expose himself to the Tuck hit. Should have just gone down there.

Blaming Tom for the Tuck hit might seem harsh criticism but like I said earlier everything the quarterback does these days is amplified. I have said several times on this board last night and today that the most relevant comparison in this game was Eli and the plays he made and mistakes he did not make and Tom and the plays he did not make and the mistakes he did make.

More and more Eli reminds me of the young Tom. The guy that was always up to the big moment. Of late Tom makes the bulk of the plays but makes more Favre-like mistakes than we are used to seeing and that sort of play will get you a long way in this league. However in the quarterback dominated and big play dependent league that the NFL has become, we need the old Tom to reemerge.

 

[brdmaverick]

Sorry, didn't read through all the posts, but what do you guys think is better.....

Being 4-0 in the Super Bowl or 4-2?

The question isn't as dumb as it sounds, after all, being 4-2 still means you got your team their SIX times.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

That ship has sailed. There will be zero Super Bowl championships in his future.

This team has been on his back for so long that I think he will soon crumble from the burden. He wasn't the same after he got the left shoulder reinjured last night. He is not going to be more healthy in the future, he will be less healthy. This era is over. It's a young man's game. Now, we're all in denial. He'll be 35 next year. The only QB to win one at that age was Elway, and that was only after the focus offensively was elsewhere.

In regards to Elway,the main reason why he was able to win those championships at 37 and 38 years old was because he had a guy named Terrell Davis behind him who was a pure beast and didn't make Elway hold the entire offensive burden on his shoulders.

Brady as he hits 35 does not have a Terrell Davis on this team and unless we obtain a superstar running back behind Brady,I don't see this team winning on solely on his shoulders anymore.

When a QB hits his mid 30s he needs help in the running game...BJGE and Woodhead are O.K. but not studs by any means....the RBBC thing was O.K. when Brady was younger,he needs a stud like Dillon now.

 

[RDS11]

First, it doesn't really matter. Who is the greatest is all a matter of opinion.

Second, after Elway won back to back Super Bowls and retired, there was a ton of sentiment that he was the greatest of all time. But Elway is 2-3 in the Super Bowl. Like Brady, Elway carried his team in years that they lost the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl when he had a stellar cast around him on both sides of the ball.

I agree completely.

The thing is, Elway won his 2 Super Bowls past his prime. By then, he had much more help around him than he had during his first run in the late 80's. Now imagine if he had retired before winning the Super Bowls...he wouldn't be mentioned in any GOAT discussion. But we're still talking about the same QB, who had played 14 seasons and close to 200 games by 1996, the year before he won his first SB. So somebody would argue that in 1996, after an NFL career of 14 seasons he wasn't top-10 of all-time, but 2 years later (adding 2 seasons past his prime) he was ?

That's why Super Bowls shouldn't be the end-all of all GOAT discussion. Yes, Montana is a perfect 4-0 in ther Super Bowl. But so is Bradshaw, and nobody talks about him as being the GOAT. And nobody mentions that, in the playoffs, Montana had 3 worst games than Brady's worst (rating wise). Should that count for less because it didn't happen in the Super Bowl ?

 

[upstater1]

Sorry, didn't read through all the posts, but what do you guys think is better.....

Being 4-0 in the Super Bowl or 4-2?

The question isn't as dumb as it sounds, after all, being 4-2 still means you got your team their SIX times.

4-2 is better. It means you not only got there 6 times, but that you perservered.

Beyond that, when people look back on Brady, they'll think about all his Hall of Fame targets, such as Marvin Harrison and Jerry Rice, etc.

 

[stcjones]

I see Brady playing here for the rest of his career ....Therefore Tom Brady will NEVER win another SB. He and this team have squandered their opportunities.....

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

no...but hey..being in the top 3 isn't bad guys

 

[strongside]

Sorry, didn't read through all the posts, but what do you guys think is better.....

Being 4-0 in the Super Bowl or 4-2?

The question isn't as dumb as it sounds, after all, being 4-2 still means you got your team their SIX times.

It is a good question. Like Brady said last night, he would rather be playing in the SB then not, reguardless of the results.

However, you when you play in the Game the risk of losing and the effect on the players/team legacy is in play.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

That ship has sailed. There will be zero Super Bowl championships in his future.

This team has been on his back for so long that I think he will soon crumble from the burden. He wasn't the same after he got the left shoulder reinjured last night. He is not going to be more healthy in the future, he will be less healthy. This era is over. It's a young man's game. Now, we're all in denial. He'll be 35 next year. The only QB to win one at that age was Elway, and that was only after the focus offensively was elsewhere.

Not all of us are. I agree with this.

 

[chicowalker]

Pats will win 2 more SBs with Brady / Belichick. This team will be improving in the next few years, not getting worse.

 

[jcdavey]

montana was perfect in superbowls, and never even threw a sb int, he's not getting passed especially now that offenses are favored via newer rules