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Playoff QB ratings over the past 8 weeks


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1. Brady (162/247/65.6%/1689/6.8/11/3)= 95.0
2. Manning (182/275/66.1%/2138/7.8/14/9)= 93.0
3. McNair (133/198/67.1%/1358/6.9/6/3)= 90.4
4. Rivers (102/186/54.8%/1303/7.0/9/6)= 79.7

NFC

1. Brees (139/223/62.3%/1814/8.1/11/4)= 96.9
2. Garcia (133/218/61.0%/1462/6.7/11/2)= 93.9
3. Hasselbeck (125/231/ 54.1%/1433/6.2/10/10)= 69.4
4. Grossman (96/190/50.5%/1098/5.8/6/9)= 59.1
 
Wow, so the cream really does rise as the playoffs approach - never would have guessed :) Good stuff.
 
Great post. And as Brady goes so go the Pats. Something few have discussed is that the Patriots trajectory is pointing up, while the Chargers took a little dip. It's all about Sunday.
 
Wow. Grossman at 59?? I realised the guy was playing poorly, but seeing it there in black and white really kind of brings it home.
 
How about playoff stats? Methinks Brady pulled a little gap over Manningchokeonballs.
 
Just in case anyone wants to come back with a "better pass defenses" excuse, don't even bother. NE faced teams with an average PRA of 80.2 while SD faced teams with an average PRA of 80.8. Not much of a difference there.

That said, TDs do count for quite a bit on the passer rating and LDT scoring as frequently as he does will bring down Rivers' figure even if he was crucial to getting to the goal line in the first place.

NE has a lot of TDs from their RBs too, but it isn't on the level that San Diego has.
 
If I were a SD fan, instead of passer rating I would be concerned about comp %.

During Brady's 65.6% streak he faced teams that allow an average of 59.8%, an improvement of 5.8%.

By comparison Rivers has completed 54.8% of his passes against teams that allow an average 62.2% comp rate, or 7.4% worse than average. Only one of the the 8 opponents allowed a completion % below what NE's opponents averaged, and that was only by 0.5%

Since NE and SD are right around each other defensively with regard to % comp allowed (56.8 & 57.1 respectively) it would follow that Brady would be around 62% and Rivers anywhere from 50-55%.

I suppose a case could be made that, due to SDs awesome run game Rivers takes more downfield chances, but that is not my impression.


Edit: I should probably just look at the original chart. 6.8 ypa (Brady) vs. 7.0 (Rivers) means that Rivers was only attempting slightly longer passes.
 
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Very interesting post, Oswlek, as usual for you.

I knew that Brady was playing well over the past few weeks, but I didn't realize it was that well. That's including the Miami game?? If so, wow.

You'd think that goose would pull him down a bit more.
 
Very interesting post, Oswlek, as usual for you.

I knew that Brady was playing well over the past few weeks, but I didn't realize it was that well. That's including the Miami game?? If so, wow.

You'd think that goose would pull him down a bit more.

Brady has been the Brady of old since that Miami game, maybe even better. The whole passing offense is finally clicking. These are his numbers in the last three games:

65 - 97 (67%) 686yds 4 0

I have no idea how to calculate passer rating, but I am sure that this has to be near 100. The teams faced, btw average allowing 59.6% comp and 76.9 PR. San Diego? 57.1 and 77.1 respectively.

Lastly, Brady has averaged 99.6 PR in away games this year.

Edited to add that two of the three teams faced played poorly for 1/2 the season and very well for 1/2 and NE faced both at their peaks and Brady still torched them.
 
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Brady has been the Brady of old since that Miami game, maybe even better. The whole passing offense is finally clicking. These are his numbers in the last three games:

65 - 97 (67%) 686yds 4 0

I have no idea how to calculate passer rating, but I am sure that this has to be near 100. The teams faced, btw average allowing 59.6% comp and 76.9 PR. San Diego? 57.1 and 77.1 respectively.

Lastly, Brady has averaged 99.6 PR in away games this year.

If the Pats can handle the pass rush, this bodes well.

If they can't.. well, then I get flashbacks of @Miami.
 
If I were a SD fan, instead of passer rating I would be concerned about comp %.

During Brady's 65.6% streak he faced teams that allow an average of 59.8%, an improvement of 5.8%.

By comparison Rivers has completed 54.8% of his passes against teams that allow an average 62.2% comp rate, or 7.4% worse than average. Only one of the the 8 opponents allowed a completion % below what NE's opponents averaged, and that was only by 0.5%

Since NE and SD are right around each other defensively with regard to % comp allowed (56.8 & 57.1 respectively) it would follow that Brady would be around 62% and Rivers anywhere from 50-55%.

I suppose a case could be made that, due to SDs awesome run game Rivers takes more downfield chances, but that is not my impression.


Edit: I should probably just look at the original chart. 6.8 ypa (Brady) vs. 7.0 (Rivers) means that Rivers was only attempting slightly longer passes.

Great post, and very good analysis overall, but in your "Edit" comment, I think you underestimate the effect that completion percent has on YPA.

In yards per attempt, every incomplete counts as a zero yard pass, no matter how deep the intended receiver was. To gauge the comparative depth of routes run, yards per completion is a better, though still far from ideal, measurement.

Brady's YPC was 10.4, Rivers' was 12.7, and that's a more marked difference.

Makes sense that the Chargers would run deeper routes -- the better your running game, the closer to the line defenses play you, the deeper the routes you want to run to beat them.
 
Great post, and very good analysis overall, but in your "Edit" comment, I think you underestimate the effect that completion percent has on YPA.

In yards per attempt, every incomplete counts as a zero yard pass, no matter how deep the intended receiver was. To gauge the comparative depth of routes run, yards per completion is a better, though still far from ideal, measurement.

Brady's YPC was 10.4, Rivers' was 12.7, and that's a more marked difference.

Makes sense that the Chargers would run deeper routes -- the better your running game, the closer to the line defenses play you, the deeper the routes you want to run to beat them.

I understand everything you said, I just don't think that it is a meaningful difference going into this game. I probably should have explained myself better.
 
I understand everything you said, I just don't think that it is a meaningful difference going into this game. I probably should have explained myself better.

Fair enough. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Anyway, I also think it's encouraging to note that of the 3 games in which Rivers really struggled down the stretch, 2 were at home. Some QBs, especially inexperienced ones, tend to be great at home, but struggle on the road -- Rivers' struggles seem more to do with fatigue, and with the fact that defenses now have a better "book" on him.
 
Fair enough. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Anyway, I also think it's encouraging to note that of the 3 games in which Rivers really struggled down the stretch, 2 were at home. Some QBs, especially inexperienced ones, tend to be great at home, but struggle on the road -- Rivers' struggles seem more to do with fatigue, and with the fact that defenses now have a better "book" on him.

No man.... I'm sorry. :eat2:

No seriously. My bad.

I agree with you that it is encouraging. I am very excited about this game.
 
I appreciate all these statistical analyses you do, but I think this one is a bit misleading.

In calculating Rivers' rating, I noticed that you only included the last 7 games he played, not the last 8. The 8th game was the game against Cincinnati, which, coincidentally, was one of Rivers' best games. Adding those stats in

36 Att, 24 Comp, 338 yds, 3 TDs, 0 Int.


makes Rivers' rating over the past 8 games he played a more respectable 86.94 (if the online calculator I used is correct).
 
I appreciate all these statistical analyses you do, but I think this one is a bit misleading.

In calculating Rivers' rating, I noticed that you only included the last 7 games he played, not the last 8. The 8th game was the game against Cincinnati, which, coincidentally, was one of Rivers' best games. Adding those stats in

36 Att, 24 Comp, 338 yds, 3 TDs, 0 Int.


makes Rivers' rating over the past 8 games he played a more respectable 86.94 (if the online calculator I used is correct).

The SD/Cinci game was 9 weeks ago. The stats I listed are for the last 8 weeks.
 
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As I have said in other threads, and many times, I am not one for stats..... these stats do not reflec twhat will happen, or may happen, in the NEXT GAME, the one that hasnt been played yet.

Each game has it's own identity, and things that may have happened in a previous one, or in several previous ones, have absolutely no bearing on what may , or may not, happen in the NEXT one.

The game will be won, or lost, by what these players do for three hours, this coming Sunday afternoon.


I believe that, in the end, the Patriots will winout, but not because Tom Brady had better stats than Phillip Rivers for the last eight weeks...They will win out because The Patriots, AS A TEAM, will have a better performance than the Chargers, as A TEAM, this coming Sunday.

I agree. In the end, as it always does, the outcome will depend on the courage and character of one young man standing in the pocket with the dogs of hell unleashed around him. Still, it is interesting that Brady and Rivers' performances have been heading in opposite directions over the past 8 weeks. However, that doesn't guarantee the trend will continue this Sunday.
 
Plus, you have to remember that the Pats are facing a much weaker pass defense. I posted this in another thread yesterday...

"I don't think people understand just how good the Patriots defense is. Sure, they are only giving up 14.8 points per game compared to San Diego's 18.9. The Patriots give up only 3.9 yds/rush with 11 TDs given up compared to 4.2 yds/rush and 13 TDs for the Chargers. But most importantly is the Patriots pass defense, giving up a QB rating against of 66.1 (2nd in the NFL) to the Chargers' 76.6. While yardage and completion% are about even, the difference between these two team here is points and takeaways. The Patriots have given up only 10 TD and picked off 22 passes while SD has given up 19 TD to 16 INTs. The Chargers can have all the pro bowlers they want on defense, but the bottom line is the Pats rush defense is better and their pass defense is significantly better as they have an outstanding +12 pass defense INT-to-TD ratio compared to San Diego's -3. San Diego's 17 extra sacks is not nearly make up for the Patriots dominance on pass defense."
 
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As I have said in other threads, and many times, I am not one for stats..... these stats do not reflect what will happen, or may happen, in the NEXT GAME, the one that hasn't been played yet.

Of course stats don't reflect what will happen. They reflect what has happened, which, as any rational person would tell you, is not just the best predictor of what's going to happen available to us, but the only one.

Each game has it's own identity, and things that may have happened in a previous one, or in several previous ones, have absolutely no bearing on what may , or may not, happen in the NEXT one.

The same could be said about each flipping of a coin. Each coin flip has absolutely no effect on the outcome of the next -- but the fact that if you flip a coin enough times, it will come up heads pretty much half the time, that's a pretty good indication of your chances of getting heads the next time you flip the coin.

The game will be won, or lost, by what these players do for three hours, this coming Sunday afternoon.

This is just platitude. Stating the obvious like this is cheap rhetoric -- of course the game will be won or lost by what the players do, nobody is saying otherwise, least of all the people who want to discuss stats. To borrow from the example above, someone who predicts that a coin will come up heads as often as it does tails is not suggesting that the next flip won't be decided by how the laws of physics act upon that coin in that specific instance.


I believe that, in the end, the Patriots will winout, but not because Tom Brady had better stats than Phillip Rivers for the last eight weeks...They will win out because The Patriots, AS A TEAM, will have a better performance than the Chargers, as A TEAM, this coming Sunday.

Well, sure, in that there are more people playing in this game than just Brady and Rivers. But you're confusing the cause and effects involved in the claims being made by people with stats. Nobody is saying stats cause anything; we're saying that many of the same factors that caused the stats will be at work during the game. Absent any external reason (like the return of a talented receiver, or recovery from injury) a quarterback who hasn't been playing well is less likely to start playing well than a QB who's already playing well. To say otherwise is folly.


And if you don't like to talk about stats, why insert yourself into a thread that, obviously from the title, is discussing stats?
 
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Brady has been the Brady of old since that Miami game, maybe even better. The whole passing offense is finally clicking. These are his numbers in the last three games:

65 - 97 (67%) 686yds 4 0

I have no idea how to calculate passer rating, but I am sure that this has to be near 100. The teams faced, btw average allowing 59.6% comp and 76.9 PR. San Diego? 57.1 and 77.1 respectively.

Luckily, you don't have to, since this nifty calculator will do it for you. :D

[Just remember when you use it that you enter attempts first, THEN completions.]

Anyhow . . . 97 attempts, 65 completions, for 686 yards, 4 TDs, and 0 INTs = 101.1.

[BTW . . . to put Rex's "performance" in perspective: if you throw one incomplete pass (not intercepted), your passer rating is 39.6. :D ]

Lastly, Brady has averaged 99.6 PR in away games this year.

Edited to add that two of the three teams faced played poorly for 1/2 the season and very well for 1/2 and NE faced both at their peaks and Brady still torched them.
 
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