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So the entire 2nd half is garbage time in your opinion?

The Bills were down 17-0 at halftime scored two TD's in the first 7 minutes of the third quarter to make it 17-14 and then no one scored until LT scored with just over 3 minutes left in the game. Then Losman threw a TD with 30 seconds left to get within 3 and chance for an onside kick. How is that garbage time?

The Broncos were down 28-3 at the Half then scored 17 points to make it 28-20 in the third quarter to only have your Chargers score 20 garbage time points in the 4th quarter to pull away. :rolleyes:

The seachickens were down 7-0 at the half and then 13-7 after the third. They went up 17-13 in the 4th quarter, only to lose the game on a Jackson TD reception in garbage time (30 seconds left in the game) ;)

You make it seem as if all the points were scored late in the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand and that the Chargers were in cruise control for the entire second half. That wasn't even close to being the case, as I have shown, every one of those games were down to a single posession during the second half.

The KC game was a low scoring for the majority of it. The only game that your premise holds true in is the Arizona game.

Very good observations....but morale to the story? Don't expect you got us by the balls until the game clock ticks to 00:00. This team is resilient enough to catch up from behind. Sitting on leads against us just won't work.
 
Very good observations....but morale to the story? Don't expect you got us by the balls until the game clock ticks to 00:00. This team is resilient enough to catch up from behind. Sitting on leads against us just won't work.

I don't think either team will really control the entire game and could very well come down to a FG or a late TO. That guy had some revisionist history going on. I watched all but the last two games he mentioned and I certainly didn't remember a lot of garbage time scoring going on.
 
I seem to recall that when we've been burned by LT, it has been the bounce-out type of run and not the stretch. They showed last year in the playoffs they could stuff the Denver stretch play. Pats seem to be able to stuff the run when determined, like against Pittsburgh and Denver. Rivers will have to win this game for SD if it has to be won on offense.

I expect a very physical, low scoring game -- then again, I did when the Pats beat the Steelers 41-27. I'd like to feel more confident in the kicking game because it could come down to STs.
 
I'm just going to post some stuff I've seen with SD since some of the stuff I've read so far seems very vanilla


Sand Diego on Offense:

1. San Diego tends to stretch out the run in both directions (left or right) and is the top in the league at wide runs to both sides. They actually run the ball better the more the play is stretched. Which partly attests to LT's ability/vision to cut up whenever there's a hole and partly because of his and his O-line's speed.

This may appear to be true but in reality a lot of plays designed to go off-tackle end up being taken outside by LT. Not every run we do outside is designed to go outside. LT is as good as there is at improvising.

To beat SD's strength (running the ball) we will have to hold the corner with TBC and Rosie (and possibly Vrabes at times) and force the run up inside. In fact SD is mediocre at best in running the ball inside. Not sure if its because their O-line isn't strong enough or whether they are not technially sound at "fighting in a closet" as is often the description of that kind of work). In terms of personel and stats they will not be able to run up inside on us Our D-line will prevent them. We've already faced the best in the league at the up the gut running and held our own (Jax, Buffalo, Chicago). But can we set the edge or will LT get outside???

Not sure where you got this. LT, like any RB, will struggle when teams are stacking the box to stop him. But LT does very well at getting 2-5 yards on runs where you think he's stacked. And you obviously haven't seen much of Michael Turner. He's a power-runner and he CAN run between the tackles. He averaged over 6 yards per carry and almost all of them were right up the gut. LT is the lightning and Turner's the thunder.

2. In terms of passing the ball Rivers is only good because of play action. If they can't run, Rivers will not pass. Its kinda like Indy's running offense in reverse. When LT's numbers go down, up come River's Int's.

Yeah. Worked really well when we killed Pittsburgh in the second half after they shut down LT. It worked for KC in our first game against them for a half...and then we game out and scored 21 in the second half. Then LT went on a run of 10 games where pretty much no one stopped him.

When we were down 28-7 on the road in Cincy it was PR who led the comeback with his arm. When we were down 24-7 on the road in Denver, it was PR who led the comeback with his arm. And of course LT was involved in that, but it wasn't "hand off LT, hand off LT, Rivers makes 3-yard pass."

3. The third thing that stands out to me is when SD is on offense is that they are very poor at third down efficiency. Is it because they become predictable??? If so This could be a long day for SD.

This is just plain bad research. The Chargers were 5th best in the NFL on third-down percentage...two spots better than the Pats. What are you looking at? Under NO system can you call our 3rd down conversion rate poor.


With the Pat's on Offense:

1. We have a decent Running game.. which means it comes down to matchups. Lucky for us, SD has problems with a power running O-line (our hallmark this year, we actually run better against strong teams rather than finesse teams). Meaning we line up and try to knock the snot out of you... no silly blocking.

You need to account for the fact we're healthy again in the front-seven for the first time all year. Getting Luis Castillo back is huge. He's our Seymour.

Case in point SD has given up big yards to the top Power run teams (KC, Buffalo, and Cleveland - yes Cleveland is the #3 power running team) and in each case had a hard time winning, or have los tthe game.

We gave up big yards to KC? In the first game yes. In the second game? Not so much. Against Cleveland? Gimme a break. Against Buffalo? Come on! What are you looking at? Cleveland had 90 yards rushing on us and 27 of that was Frye. Buffalo had 63 yards rushing and 26 of that was Losman. You really couldn't do better than that?

On the flip side, scheme running teams like Denver get mauled by SD... can't say exactly why, but I imagine that if SD gets outmuscled, their defense loses most of its advantage. I would have liked to see Jax or Carolina go against SD to test this theory.

We maul Denver because we see them twice a year. The teams that give us the most trouble are the teams that can do two things: Pass protect at an elite level and who have elite receivers. See: Cincinnati (who we still beat, btw.) Our defense is also somewhat vulnerable to screens and misdirection, but only in stretches. They tend to get exploited on those kinds of plays for maybe a series and then they close it down.

2. With Brady clicking.. we should be able to move the ball well against them without resorting to the run. SD isn't very good at stopping the pass.

With Brady clicking? That's kind of a self-fulfilling statement, isn't it? That's like saying "if we move the ball well against them we'll move the ball well against them." And as to SD not being good at stopping the pass, we're better than average. We've had some trouble against teams that have multiple elite receivers...Chad Johnson/Houshmanzadah, Anquan Boldin/Fitzgerald, Torry Holt/Bruce...but you guys don't even have one elite receiver, do you.

3. I wonder how the screen will work against Merriman. I haven't seen much of this strategy used against him and given our recent success as the screen it will be interesting to see how this matches up.

We are sometimes vulnerable to the screen, but Merriman also bats a lot of those kinds of passes down at the LoS.

I could see this as the typical setting up the run with the pass and when we get within 15 yards... just going back to the power run.

Good luck with that. If you can avoid negative plays you will probably have success. But the thing is that Brady can't complete passes from his back.
 
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I don't think either team will really control the entire game and could very well come down to a FG or a late TO. That guy had some revisionist history going on. I watched all but the last two games he mentioned and I certainly didn't remember a lot of garbage time scoring going on.

You're right, there never was a game this year I would call "garbage points" in any game we played this year.
 
I don't think either team will really control the entire game and could very well come down to a FG or a late TO. That guy had some revisionist history going on. I watched all but the last two games he mentioned and I certainly didn't remember a lot of garbage time scoring going on.

I agree....time of possession will be key. I think it will ultimately be a game that will be played quite strategically --- almost like a game of chess. Both teams trying to establish the run and then pass second.
 
Brady has one of the quickest releases in the game and unusually high pocket presence. The Pats don't need the Bolts to "worry" about their running game. They just need to have one so that they can play a balanced offense. Sunday will come down to which team stops the run better I think.

And better minds than us will be plotting and scheming. I am confident BB will come up with a great plan. It is up to the players to execute. And speaking of playoffs, that's when experience is another factor, and the Pats have the advantage in that department.

Good take, P. I think if that works out as you planned it: you win. I'm not so much worried about your running game. I'm more worried about your brady's passing ability and accuracy.

The only problem Brady will have however is:
1. Caldwell coughing up the "big one". He's notorious for that.
2. Pass protection against 2 SD OLB's that have over 10 sacks each for the season.
3. No huddle offense will be almost nearly impossible to do with a crowd that is hungry for it's 1st playoff win in over 10 years. Not like Brady's never been in those situations....but the Q's going to be rockin. Interesting to see how he audibles out there on Sunday.
4. 2 ILB's in Godfrey and Edwards who play pass coverage like DB's.

You guys can get us good if:
1. Brady takes advantage of the middle of the field. For some reason that area is always left open.
2. Run to Edwards side of the ball. He can't defend the run better than how he defends the pass.
3. Get the ball out of Brady's hands as quickly as possible. Tough feat to do when Merriman's running down his throat all game long. Double team, triple team 56...there's another guy to worry about and that's Philipps. But if Brady can use the short, slant patterns....you may pull it off.
 
You're right, there never was a game this year I would call "garbage points" in any game we played this year.

Exactly looking back through your schedule with the exception of the 49ers, Broncos and Cardinals game all of your games were essentially one or two posession games (The cardinals actually scored some "garbage time" points). The 49ers held it close for a half and then you guys blew them away (thanks, I laid some heavy points in that one). The Broncos made it a game in the 3rd quarter only to get slaughtered in the 4th. Every other game was somewhat close. As a guy who watched his team win 21 in a row without blowing anyone out, I can't hold that against ya.
 
Exactly looking back through your schedule with the exception of the 49ers, Broncos and Cardinals game all of your games were essentially one or two posession games (The cardinals actually scored some "garbage time" points). The 49ers held it close for a half and then you guys blew them away (thanks, I laid some heavy points in that one). The Broncos made it a game in the 3rd quarter only to get slaughtered in the 4th. Every other game was somewhat close. As a guy who watched his team win 21 in a row without blowing anyone out, I can't hold that against ya.

There's only one thing that I will predict for what I think is an extremely unpredictable matchup: The Chargers will go hard for 60 minutes and will never think they're out of the game, even if you guys get up on them early. That's been a common theme this year. The Chargers tend to put up point in bunches. I've seen them held for long stretches to 3 or 7 points and then bust out 21, 28, 27, 42 points in the second half. Once Cam Cameron gets a defense figured out he can pour it on like no other.

And don't say it can't happen to your team because that's exactly what happened when we played you last year. I'm not saying it will happen but I've seen a lot of Pats fans who simply assume that BB will figure us out and will shut us down. You may even think he's succeeded after a half of play, but don't ever count this team out.

Bill Belichik's gift is taking away a team's strength, and that's especially effective against teams that are one-dimensional. Even the Colts were always one-dimensional in the playoffs against you guys because Manning always thought he was going to win the game on his own. The Raiders were a heavily predominant passing team. The Steelers, heavily running. The Rams...heavily passing. The Eagles, heavily passing. The Jets, heavily passing. You played a balanced Denver team last year and lost. Why to them?

Because it's not that hard to gameplan to take away a team's ONE strength. It's much harder when a team is balanced, and the Chargers are a very balanced team.

The one major caveat that I will give you is the Philip Rivers factor. Let's face it--we won't know about him until a week from today. So far he's passed every test. No one thought we'd be better with PR than we were with Brees, and we are. No one thought Rivers was ready to beat a pressure defense like Pittsburgh and win when LT was a non-factor, and he did. No one thought PR was ready to lead the team on multiple 4th-quarter comebacks to win and he did it 5 times this year. No one thought PR could have a horrible game and recover to play well at the end, and he did it against Seattle. And just when everyone thought PR was in a season-ending tailspin he came out and played great in our last game.

The playoffs are uncharted territory. I'll grant you that, and it will be a challenge, no doubt. But so far PR has passed every test, so it's not like some optimism from Charger fans is totally unwarranted.
 
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Yeah, believe it or not, I see the short passing game as an option to go to if necessary, but not as the primary mode of attack, because as you say, Donnie is a "drag three yards then tackle" guy.

As far as "why the middle always seems soft," that kind of goes with "two guys over 10 sacks." They get the QB, it's a sack. They don't, it's a dump-off. I do agree with previous posters regarding Brady's mobility, release, and pocket presence. He won't be throwing on his back all day, but you might get to him a time or two.

Although the short passing game can keep the clock running, it's not nearly the clock-eater that a good running game is. I think the Pats will at least attempt to make the ground game a featured point of attack, despite SD's reputation for stopping the run.

All in all, I think most people here are seeing this being a classic matchup, as opposed to a blowout for one side or another... I see it that way too. But I do have to say, the Bolts are going to be the tallest order we've seen all season. Maybe even tougher than beating the Ravens the following week ;)

PFnV
 
There's only one thing that I will predict for what I think is an extremely unpredictable matchup: The Chargers will go hard for 60 minutes and will never think they're out of the game, even if you guys get up on them early. That's been a common theme this year. The Chargers tend to put up point in bunches. I've seen them held for long stretches to 3 or 7 points and then bust out 21, 28, 27, 42 points in the second half. Once Cam Cameron gets a defense figured out he can pour it on like no other.

And don't say it can't happen to your team because that's exactly what happened when we played you last year. I'm not saying it will happen but I've seen a lot of Pats fans who simply assume that BB will figure us out and will shut us down. You may even think he's succeeded after a half of play, but don't ever count this team out.

I agree with you and I assure you the Pats will play for the entire 60 minutes as well. I don't see the Chargers breaking out for a lot of points in this game, at least in bunches anyway. This will be a tight game that may end up being a 10 point loss for either team because of a late TO or game icing TD. But it will be a very hard fought and close game throughout, IMO.

You really can't compare last year's game to this year's, so many things are different.
 
Many good points brought up here,what do you think of the possibility we will see LT's flea flicker in this game?The Bolts dont need trick plays to lay some points,of course....
 
Exactly looking back through your schedule with the exception of the 49ers, Broncos and Cardinals game all of your games were essentially one or two posession games (The cardinals actually scored some "garbage time" points). The 49ers held it close for a half and then you guys blew them away (thanks, I laid some heavy points in that one). The Broncos made it a game in the 3rd quarter only to get slaughtered in the 4th. Every other game was somewhat close. As a guy who watched his team win 21 in a row without blowing anyone out, I can't hold that against ya.

You know...I think it's just the playcalling these days in SD. It's hardly predicatable anymore. Marty has given the offensive playcalling to his offensive coordinator and just unleashed the Beast in Rivers if you may... Rivers is no Brady but when called on to step up....he has. I don't know. I'm not gonna be a homer about it, I just can't put a finger on it...but alot of people are writing Rivers off and that he's gonna choke it up for us in the playoffs. I think they are dead wrong when they make that assessment.

So many teams have said that the way to beat us is to stop LT and put it on River's hands and they win. But what teams have done it successfully this year? The Ravens? The Chiefs??? If there's any team that could do that why not the 3 time Super Bowl Champion Patriots? It will be a challenge for you guys though. I'll say that much.

I expect a highly contested match up.
 
Many good points brought up here,what do you think of the possibility we will see LT's flea flicker in this game?The Bolts dont need trick plays to lay some points,of course....

They did it last week against Arizona but jackson couldn't get a hold of the ball in the end zone. It was more like a lateral to LT and Lt lateralling it back to PR. It actually looked like a pretty good play. Too bad it was incomplete.
 
Bill Belichik's gift is taking away a team's strength, and that's especially effective against teams that are one-dimensional. Even the Colts were always one-dimensional in the playoffs against you guys because Manning always thought he was going to win the game on his own. The Raiders were a heavily predominant passing team. The Steelers, heavily running. The Rams...heavily passing. The Eagles, heavily passing. The Jets, heavily passing. You played a balanced Denver team last year and lost. Why to them?

Because it's not that hard to gameplan to take away a team's ONE strength. It's much harder when a team is balanced, and the Chargers are a very balanced team.

First of all the Colts weren't a one dimensional team, we took away the run early and then got on top which forced Manning to throw. We made them one dimensional, I agree with the rest except the Eagles. They were killing us early with Westbrook out of the back field on Screens and swing passes which was essentially there running game (much like the 2003 Pats).

We didn't lose last year because of our defense or the Broncos offense. We lost because we turned the ball over 5 times. Twice on punt returns, one was just a complete muff by Troy Brown. It had nothing to do with BB's game plan it was all about poor execution and ball security. Their offense couldn't do sh!t and in fact didn't put together a single sustained drive. Bailey picked it off and ran it back for a TD. We fumbled and then two plays later Asante got called for a phantom PI call on the goal line which led to a TD and then two fumbled punts inside our own 30. My point is it had nothing to do with a balanced denver offense.

By the way I don't call 70% of offensive production coming from two people exactly a balanced offense. Take away Gates and your passing game becomes very subpar. Look at the KC game, I thought Gates was injured until I saw him in the huddle in the third quarter. Tomlinson will have to have a huge game and Rivers can't make any mistakes.

If we don't turn the ball over 3 or more times we will win the game.
 
You know...I think it's just the playcalling these days in SD. It's hardly predicatable anymore. Marty has given the offensive playcalling to his offensive coordinator and just unleashed the Beast in Rivers if you may... Rivers is no Brady but when called on to step up....he has. I don't know. I'm not gonna be a homer about it, I just can't put a finger on it...but alot of people are writing Rivers off and that he's gonna choke it up for us in the playoffs. I think they are dead wrong when they make that assessment.

So many teams have said that the way to beat us is to stop LT and put it on River's hands and they win. But what teams have done it successfully this year? The Ravens? The Chiefs??? If there's any team that could do that why not the 3 time Super Bowl Champion Patriots? It will be a challenge for you guys though. I'll say that much.

I expect a highly contested match up.

I can't agree more with that statement. The concept is easy stop/limit LT and take away Gates. Executing is a lot easier said than done.:D
 
Alright guys...I'm out. See you guys in the morning. Remember....we Charger Fans come in peace. :rocker:
 
I can't agree more with that statement. The concept is easy stop/limit LT and take away Gates. Executing is a lot easier said than done.:D

But before I go...thanks you see it the same way I do!!! Peace!
 
But thats your boy brady!! tell him to stop making gay porno

I don't give it **** if it was a picture of Merriman getting a shot of "juice". Noone wants to look at that crap.
 
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