Backup QBs - Hoyer VS Mallet

[patchick]

Reminds me more of someone who was tall and had a strong arm. And while that still may succeed somewhere it won't cut it here.

Mo, I'm curious...in all of your posts you've offered a lot of persuasive info in support of Hoyer, but simply dismissed Mallett -- with the only "criticism" being that he's tall and has a strong arm! Are you simply a big Hoyer fan, or are there particular reasons you're so skeptical of Mallett?

Hoyer's pluses don't necessarily translate to minuses for the other guy. E.g., of course, Hoyer rather than Mallett ran offseason activities. Mallett, like the entire unlucky 2011 draft class, wasn't yet a Patriot! And clearly, Hoyer was better prepared in preseason games, being in his 3rd season with the team vs. Mallett in his 3rd week.

FWIW, I'd rather have Hoyer behind Brady today, and probably tomorrow. But the OP asked, "Any thoughts on the future of our QBs 5-10 years down the road?" And my thought is that Hoyer will still have a job, but Mallett is more likely to be leading a franchise by that point. By all accounts he's a football lifer and film rat with a deep knowledge and love of the game...even if he is cursed with a tall frame and strong arm.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

You are way off track here. Hoyer is a competent QB and will likely start elsewhere next year, but Mallet is the one with the elite physical attributes that can't be taught. As your username suggests (in a macabre way) you are overtly attached to Brady, but the harsh fact is that he is in the twilight of his career and his physical skills have already eroded, starting with the declining accuracy on his long throws. I would honestly give Brady 2-3 more years, tops.

Mallet comes from Arkansas, from a pro-style offense that does a lot of 11, 12, and 21 personnel and that is a great fit for the modified Erhardt-Perkins offense that's run in the Patriots system. If not for his personal issues (one public intoxication charge as far as I know) he would have gone in the first round, and so is an absolute steal for us. I think that when all is said and done, he will end up being the best steal in the draft, from the last few years, even over Gronk.

The only question I have is if he has Brady's fire, fierce determination and focus, which is second to nothing. I don't question his team spirit (after all, did you see him jump up and down when Gronk broke the record?).

This drivel isn't worth a response beyond LOL... We shall see.

 

[BlueThunder]

This drivel isn't worth a response beyond LOL... We shall see.

Man, that's pretty harsh .....drivel?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mo, I'm curious...in all of your posts you've offered a lot of persuasive info in support of Hoyer, but simply dismissed Mallett -- with the only "criticism" being that he's tall and has a strong arm! Are you simply a big Hoyer fan, or are there particular reasons you're so skeptical of Mallett?

Hoyer's pluses don't necessarily translate to minuses for the other guy. E.g., of course, Hoyer rather than Mallett ran offseason activities. Mallett, like the entire unlucky 2011 draft class, wasn't yet a Patriot! And clearly, Hoyer was better prepared in preseason games, being in his 3rd season with the team vs. Mallett in his 3rd week.

FWIW, I'd rather have Hoyer behind Brady today, and probably tomorrow. But the OP asked, "Any thoughts on the future of our QBs 5-10 years down the road?" And my thought is that Hoyer will still have a job, but Mallett is more likely to be leading a franchise by that point. By all accounts he's a football lifer and film rat with a deep knowledge and love of the game...even if he is cursed with a tall frame and strong arm.

You might want to re-read the OP's original post... He thinks Mallet is more like Brady than Hoyer and he believes Mallet is the heir apparent. I believe neither and I believe neither is and the future QB of this team is not on the roster unless the future is 5 years and in that case it's the same guy who is the past and present. I believe in 4-5 years the future should be on the roster or at least on the radar. In the meantime I believe we are best served by having a successful backup on the roster, and like Doug Flutie said in endorsing Cassel as he walked away from the role knowing he'd been passed on the depth chart, the best way to be that guy is to emulate him. Not sure that is something Mallet is remotely capable of doing, or that it is even in his best interest to attempt to if in fact he does have franchise level talent. 'Cause he won't be starting here in 5 years. He won't be on the roster here in 3 years or less...

I tend to trust my gut on QB's...It hasn't failed me yet.

 

[patchick]

You might want to re-read the OP's original post... He thinks Mallet is more like Brady than Hoyer and he believes Mallet is the heir apparent. I believe neither and I believe neither is and the future QB of this team is not on the roster unless the future is 5 years and in that case it's the same guy who is the past and present

And I totally agree with you on those points. But you've spent much of this thread praising Hoyer and pooh-poohing Mallett, so I'm curious why.

 

[jah]

I think it's a tough position. If Brady plays as long as he says he will, then both QBs would be pretty old. Let's say Brady retires 5 years from now. Mallett will be 28 and Hoyer will be 31. You'd want a franchise QB to last 10+ years, but when you're starting at 28/31, I don't know if that's possible.

That being said, I think the next QB to make a start for the Patriots in a meaningful game is either in college now or is named Ryan Mallett. Hoyer's going to be either a backup or a solid game manager somewhere else next year.

 

[patsfan13]

You might want to re-read the OP's original post... He thinks Mallet is more like Brady than Hoyer and he believes Mallet is the heir apparent.

What the OP said was:

"I believe Hoyer is a smarter guy, but I believe Mallett is the potential future of our franchise."



That seems like a reasonable statement. TB will end up IMO being the GOAT, but he won't be here forever, it would be good if Mallet developed into a NFL all pro caliber QB. Hopefully he has the right work ethic and football IQ, he certainly has the physical tools few posses.

 

[patfanken]

I feel a lot of anger in the force from you, Mo. Invective, nastiness, and unsubstantiated animosity, not just to Mallet but to Bledsoe as well. I wonder where it all comes from.

On the OP. If you want a QB to come in and play next week it has to be Hoyer. In his 3 years here, he's proven absolutely nothing, but left us all with the impression that he's improving and could possibly be adequate as a short term fill in. He has done NOTHING that would lead any other team in the league to give him the reigns. People who somehow assume that the Pats will get even a mid round draft pick for him are delusional

There are going to be a ton of QBs in the FA market who have tons of tape on them and better resumes, (Campbell, Hill, McNabb, Flynn, Henne, etc) All who would be more likely to get a shot at a starting job. All more qualified than Brian and all for FREE. And even then few of them will actually get starting jobs next year.

It would have been nice to have him have the same opportunity that Flynn got in the last game. That could have added some value to him.

He's a RFA and if the Pats could get some team that wanted to get a back up QB who might evolve into a starter to part with ANY draft pick the Pats would take that in a nanosecond, install Mallet at the #2 and go sign McElroy after the Jets let him go to be the #3 since he is a Hoyer clone with some balls to go with his smarts

Most likely they will get no offers for Hoyer and the Pats will bring he and Mallet back next year.

Your overt and baseless dislike for Mallett I find beneath you. In the lockout shortened pre season, a few snaps in preseason tell us nothing. Neither you or I know how Mallett has looked during all the practices. We don't know if he is throwing well or badly. Making good decisions or bad ones. Making progress or not. Yet you make blanket pronouncements and judgments as if you were standing at every practice all season.

If you remember my draft night meltdown, I was not a big Mallet fan. I personally don't believe that he will ever throw a meaningful pass for the Patriots, baring a Brady injury. What stuns me is your basic unfairness in your judgement. Its not like you.

BTW- I don't understand you calling Bledsoe a "failure" here. He was anything but. He was like Moses who led us out of the desert, took us to respectability. and while he couldn't get us into the promised land, we did get to look at it. Actually we did get to the promised land, we just couldn't stay.

Bledsoe was nothing less than the 2nd best QB in Patriot history. Your abject dismissal of him was unwarranted.

 

[IllegalContact]

Not at all, I just don't see a fit. And as for Mirer over Bledsoe...that's really a nonsensical analogy because Bledsoe couldn't make it here...and over time anywhere. Although depending on how you define making it (and empty yardage and stats isn't my definition - which also probably explains my aversion to fantasy football...).

bledsoe couldn't make it here? he was the best QB the pats ever had before brady....he made it quite well here.

hoyer simply lacks the one thing a QB needs.......an NFL arm

 

[IllegalContact]

Was there a point to this comment, it is safe to say Tebow doesn't have an elite NFL arm, Mallett does. If not for his character questions he would have been the 2nd QB drafted.

Tebow obviously has NFL arm strength........the problem is with his mechanics as it takes forever for him to get rigd of the ball. something that can get better with time.

 

[IllegalContact]

Mo's whole gig start with 'I don't like Mallett' and goes from there.

As of right now, Mallett is an outstanding prospect who has the luxury of having some time to develop. doesn't mean he will, but at least he's more than the perennial backup that hoyer is/will be. At least Mallett has a chance to be all that.

 

[DarrylS]

I think Mallett is the future, and he has the luxury to learn the game from the best in the business as opposed to those who are literally thrown to the wolves...

I like Hoyer, but not real sure he will be in a Patriots Uniform next year...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Hoyer VS Mallet

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[IllegalContact]

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that whole video is cool

Sport Science Tests Arkansas Quarterback Ryan Mallett's Arm Strength - YouTube

 

[pheenix11]

I love Mallett, I think that kid is going to be a star. He is one of the few college QB's who has ever made me forget I was watching a college game. It was like he was playing on a different level than the typical pop warner bs many teams throw out there.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

bledsoe couldn't make it here? he was the best QB the pats ever had before brady....he made it quite well here.

hoyer simply lacks the one thing a QB needs.......an NFL arm

Oddly that's what they said about Brady. Turns out arm strength is developable via mechanics and is just the tip of the iceberg as far as things a QB needs at this level. And Bledsow couldn't make it here, on a Belichick team running this offense... Nor anywhere else's once he left here, even though he was just 30 at the time.

I don't hate Mallet, just don't see him as a fit for this offense. People like yourself insisted that Brady could never be more than a backup. Same deal for Cassel. I disagreed then, too. I think Bill took Mallet because there wasn't anything else that appealed to him in that slot, which he tried to trade out of but there were no takers, so ala Ron Wolf who advocated taking a QB every year for development and possible trade if not use, he took him. He has 3 years remaining on his contract. If he passes Hoyer on the depth chart next season. Brady has 4 and will likely be around a few years beyond that.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I think Mallett is the future, and he has the luxury to learn the game from the best in the business as opposed to those who are literally thrown to the wolves...

I like Hoyer, but not real sure he will be in a Patriots Uniform next year...

Then you must think Brady is gone in 2-3 years. Because Mallett is only signed until 2014 and they have to decide on paying him at the franchise QB level by the end of the 2013 season if they want to extend his contract through 2015, and that will be tough to do if he hasn't started a game in the NFL by then.

 

[Snake Eyes]

hoyer simply lacks the one thing a QB needs.......an NFL arm

What are you basing this on? I'd like to know what throws Hoyer simply couldnt make due to lack of arm.

 

[IllegalContact]

Oddly that's what they said about Brady. Turns out arm strength is developable via mechanics and is just the tip of the iceberg as far as things a QB needs at this level. And Bledsow couldn't make it here, on a Belichick team running this offense... Nor anywhere else's once he left here, even though he was just 30 at the time.

I don't hate Mallet, just don't see him as a fit for this offense. People like yourself insisted that Brady could never be more than a backup. Same deal for Cassel. I disagreed then, too. I think Bill took Mallet because there wasn't anything else that appealed to him in that slot, which he tried to trade out of but there were no takers, so ala Ron Wolf who advocated taking a QB every year for development and possible trade if not use, he took him. He has 3 years remaining on his contract. If he passes Hoyer on the depth chart next season. Brady has 4 and will likely be around a few years beyond that.

so let me get this straight.......you are saying that hoyer has the ability because brady had it? and mallett does not? technically speaking, what do you base your conclusion on? what is it about mallett that you see or don't see?

how many years has hoyer been here? why is his arm still a noodle....you'd figure he'd be strenthened by now if he was taking the same path as brady.

the pats could have taken mcelroy later, or enderle or stanzi.....instead of tossing a 3rd rounder that they could have used on one of the several OG's still available and certainly a need at the time.

I understand the argument you're trying to make, but it's not coming together for you

 

[IllegalContact]

What are you basing this on? I'd like to know what throws Hoyer simply couldnt make due to lack of arm.

he's underthrown pretty much every long ball I've ever seen him throw here.

you can chalk it up as something else, but I see it as an arm strength issue