SD's Last 10 Games

[Caspir]

I'm referring to the front seven that led the NFL in sacks...check your facts.

Aww that's cute how you get so defensive. I thought people in SD were all happy go lucky? Guess someone pissed in your low fat double mocha latte this morning.

 

[boltssbbound]

Well, let's take your 53 and our 53, then add the coaching staffs of each team, mix then all up in their respective containers -- shaken, not stirred -- and we will see.

Somehow, I'm feeling this is going to be a good game, both in its play *and* in its outcome. I like the way the Pats have been building up the past two months, "peaking at the right time", as some have put it.

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The Chargers have been peaking at the right time for the last three months. They are 10-0 since their last loss in October.

I think this is going to be a tough game, but anyone who thinks the Pats front seven is better than the Chargers is on crack.

 

[boltssbbound]

OK. I'll give you the SD LB's are better (I really wanted to get Donnie Edwards at the beginning of the season when it looked like he was just dangling there by the acrimony with your front office). The NE DL is better.

The NE Secondary is better and deeper. When you judge a D you have to judge the whole 11 players and the backups. Advantage Patriots.

No, really, it's not. The Pats' D Line might be the equal of the Bolts, but they certainly aren't better. Jamal Williams is the best NT in the game, and Luis Castillo is every bit as good as Richard Seymour. The Bolts' linebackers are vastly superior.

As far as the secondary goes, there's no question with Rodney out that the Bolts are better. Jammer, Florence and Cromartie are better than Samuel, Hobbs and Mickens. Hawkins and Sanders are pretty pedestrian at safety. McCree is better than both those guys. Kiel a liability in coverage, but not any more than Sanders or Hawkins.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

The Chargers have been peaking at the right time for the last three months. They are 10-0 since their last loss in October.

I think this is going to be a tough game, but anyone who thinks the Pats front seven is better than the Chargers is on crack.

Well, if that's the case, then the SD defensive backfield must be markedly inferior to the Pats', given the big disparity in points allowed!

 

[patsfan13]

No, really, it's not. The Pats' D Line might be the equal of the Bolts, but they certainly aren't better. Jamal Williams is the best NT in the game, and Luis Castillo is every bit as good as Richard Seymour. The Bolts' linebackers are vastly superior.

As far as the secondary goes, there's no question with Rodney out that the Bolts are better. Jammer, Florence and Cromartie are better than Samuel, Hobbs and Mickens. Hawkins and Sanders are pretty pedestrian at safety. McCree is better than both those guys. Kiel a liability in coverage, but not any more than Sanders or Hawkins.

What is your explanation for your unbelievably talented (hyped?) D giving up more points than the Jets? 303 vs 295.

 

[boltssbbound]

Well, if that's the case, then the SD defensive backfield must be markedly inferior to the Pats', given the big disparity in points allowed!

The Chargers have had numerous injuries to key personnel and a 4 game suspension to overcome. That has affected their performance at times. But when you look at how they've performed when healthy (like they are now), they have been dominant. In the games where we've had all 11 on defense healthy (like we do now) the Bolts have given up an average of 10 points per game.

Further, alot of the points we have given up in the last half of the season were in garbage time. If you look at how we played when the game was close, you'll see that our defense has been great.

In our last 5 games, since Merriman returned, the Chargers have given up an average of 2.6 points in the first half.

In the First Half:
The Bills scored 0 against us.

The Broncos scored 3.

The Chiefs scored 3.

The Seahawks scored 0.

And the Cardinals scored 7.

In those games, we broke out to leads of:

17-0

28-3

14-3

10-0

and 27-7.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Jamal Williams is the best NT in the game, and Luis Castillo is every bit as good as Richard Seymour.

Ummmmmmmm, you are kidding, RIGHT.

Dude, we appreciate homers sticking up for "their" boys, but please, just be REASONABLE about it. At least a little.

Your LB's are better, by a SHADE. Then stop. It's easy to say you have a great "D" when you have a great offense. You're D gives up WAAAAAAAAY to many points......... and in the end, thats that stat that counts THE MOST.

The Pats will score on you, and quite a bit (I'd say at least 30). The REAL question is how much our defense will limit your offense. That is what the outcome of this game will rest on.

 

[boltssbbound]

Ummmmmmmm, you are kidding, RIGHT.

Dude, we appreciate homers sticking up for "their" boys, but please, just be REASONABLE about it. At least a little.

Your LB's are better, by a SHADE. Then stop. It's easy to say you have a great "D" when you have a great offense. You're D gives up WAAAAAAAAY to many points......... and in the end, thats that stat that counts THE MOST.

The Pats will score on you, and quite a bit (I'd say at least 30). The REAL question is how much our defense will limit your offense. That is what the outcome of this game will rest on.

There is no way the Pats will score 30 on us. That's just a joke.

What did I say that was unreasonable?

 

[Caspir]

The Chargers have had numerous injuries to key personnel and a 4 game suspension to overcome.

Classic. Luckily the Patriots haven't had any injuries to anyone, right? Idiot. Yea, we feel real bad that your juiced up anabolic addict LB got suspended. Thats a great excuse.

 

[shmessy]

The Chargers have had numerous injuries to key personnel and a 4 game suspension to overcome. That has affected their performance at times. But when you look at how they've performed when healthy (like they are now), they have been dominant.

I'm sorry, you lost me at the very beginning of that post.

Q: Do you know whom you are addressing here?

A: The fans of the team that won back to back SB's in 2003-2004 when said team LED THE LEAGUE each year in starter games lost to injury.

Please don't feed us that pastel, pansy excuse.

Look at what the Pats have has as a WR corps all year long. No excuses, Sunny Delight.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

The Chargers have had numerous injuries to key personnel and a 4 game suspension to overcome. That has affected their performance at times. But when you look at how they've performed when healthy (like they are now), they have been dominant. In the games where we've had all 11 on defense healthy (like we do now) the Bolts have given up an average of 10 points per game.

Uh, huh. Like the Pats haven't had any injuries back there to overcome. I see....

Further, alot of the points we have given up in the last half of the season were in garbage time. If you look at how we played when the game was close, you'll see that our defense has been great.

In our last 5 games, since Merriman returned, the Chargers have given up an average of 2.6 points in the first half.

In the First Half:
The Bills scored 0 against us.

The Broncos scored 3.

The Chiefs scored 3.

The Seahawks scored 0.

And the Cardinals scored 7.

In those games, we broke out to leads of:

17-0

28-3

14-3

10-0

and 27-7.

Now there are 5 teams to throw terror into the hearts of football fans everywhere!

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

In the First Half:
The Bills scored 0 against us.

The Broncos scored 3.

The Chiefs scored 3.

The Seahawks scored 0.

And the Cardinals scored 7.

Bills - Not a very good team and LOSE-men is as HOT/COLD as a QB can be.

Chiefs - Ummm, you did see what Indy's vaunted D did to them RIGHT.

Broncos - Rookie QB in his 2nd game.

Cardinals - Pleeeeeeeease. An UNDERACHIEVING tea, with NOTHING to play for.




You have a good defense, but the 85 bears you ain't. Trust me, this game is LESS about your D, than it is about OUR D.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Our secondary has been a patchwork. Sey had a clipped wing for a while. Vince just came back. Jr went down and they're complaining about injuries? ha ha.

 

[hwc]

Trust me, this game is LESS about your D, than it is about OUR D.

If the Pats had their druthers, this game will come down to the play of the Chargers' Pro Bowl QB.

Of course, San Diego has an edge in that department. After all, a Pro Bowl QB is better than a non-Pro Bowl QB, right?

 

[abyzmul]

OK. I'll give you the SD LB's are better (I really wanted to get Donnie Edwards at the beginning of the season when it looked like he was just dangling there by the acrimony with your front office). The NE DL is better.

The NE Secondary is better and deeper. When you judge a D you have to judge the whole 11 players and the backups. Advantage Patriots.

NE's DL is better? give me a break.. barring all injuries SD's DL is head and shoulders above NE's. Jamal williams, Igor Olshansky, and Louis Castillo < -- all beasts. advantage = chargers.

NE's secondary is about equal to SD's.. jammer has been basically a shut down corner for the entire season. SD's weakness is the play of the safeties.. so to be fair, advantage = patriots.

Linebackers for NE aren't even close to SD's. Merriman, phillips, edwards, wilhelm, godfrey, dobbins.. those guys are fast and strong, giving the chargers the ability to send any (if not all) of them blitzing on every down. that's what makes the 3-4 so hard to block against. advantage = chargers.

marty has had a poor record in the past, and BB has done well. however, marty has schooled BB head to head recently, so i can't give the advantage to either side on that one. cam cameron however dominates as an offensive coordinator, and wade phillips has been incredible on the defensive side.

i think it'll be a great game, but there's a lot of patriot homers here. give respect when it's due, the patriots were given their respect when they were on their super bowl runs.

 

[patsfan13]

There is no way the Pats will score 30 on us. That's just a joke.

What did I say that was unreasonable?

Why? The Pats scored 38 on the Jets the Jets allowed fewer pts than the Chargers this year. Certainly the Chargers could hold the Pats under 30, but the idea of the Pats scoring 30 or more is not a joke.

What is a joke is the overconfidence of the Charger fans and the way they buy into the media hype about their D.

 

[patsfan13]

NE's DL is better? give me a break.. barring all injuries SD's DL is head and shoulders above NE's. Jamal williams, Igor Olshansky, and Louis Castillo < -- all beasts. advantage = chargers.

NE's secondary is about equal to SD's.. jammer has been basically a shut down corner for the entire season. SD's weakness is the play of the safeties.. so to be fair, advantage = patriots.

Linebackers for NE aren't even close to SD's. Merriman, phillips, edwards, wilhelm, godfrey, dobbins.. those guys are fast and strong, giving the chargers the ability to send any (if not all) of them blitzing on every down. that's what makes the 3-4 so hard to block against. advantage = chargers.

marty has had a poor record in the past, and BB has done well. however, marty has schooled BB head to head recently, so i can't give the advantage to either side on that one. cam cameron however dominates as an offensive coordinator, and wade phillips has been incredible on the defensive side.

i think it'll be a great game, but there's a lot of patriot homers here. give respect when it's due, the patriots were given their respect when they were on their super bowl runs.

Pats allowed 237 pts Chargers allowed 303 Hets allowed 295, Pats had more injuries than Chargers on D this year.

Does this mean your D coaches are horrible given your (claimed) overwhelming talent?

 

[JoeSixPat]

Don't count on Brady having all day to throw against the best front seven in football...

No doubt - the O-Line knows they have their work cut out for them. But Brady typically doesn't need a lot of time.

Yesterday was an abberation in fact - especially that big play to Gaffney when Brady literally had all day to throw. That was a mismatch of sorts anyways where the Jets were rushing 3 and the Patriots had 6 guys in blocking - so no surprise that he had a lot of time.

The interesting thing to me - and I'd be interested in Charger fan's perspectives - is looking at that schedule of the last 10 games, how many "big" "tough" games has SD recently had?

I mean, few of those teams strike me as being in the caliber of the NFL elite teams - what are Chargers fans perspective about the fact that they haven't really been tested recently?

 

[shmessy]

NE's DL is better? give me a break.. barring all injuries SD's DL is head and shoulders above NE's. Jamal williams, Igor Olshansky, and Louis Castillo < -- all beasts. advantage = chargers.


i think it'll be a great game, but there's a lot of patriot homers here. give respect when it's due, the patriots were given their respect when they were on their super bowl runs.

Your points re: the LB's and Secondary are good, but they are drowned out by the sheer lunacy of your point about the DL.

That plus the "there's a lot of patriot homers here" line is precious. Gee, d'ya think so? A website called Patsfans.com? Wow, fella, will wonders ever cease?

 

[abyzmul]

Your points re: the LB's and Secondary are good, but they are drowned out by the sheer lunacy of your point about the DL.

That plus the "there's a lot of patriot homers here" line is precious. Gee, d'ya think so? A website called Patsfans.com? Wow, fella, will wonders ever cease?

? jamal williams is the best NT in the game, agreed? louis castillo and igor olshansky are dominating run stoppers. there's a reason why the chargers had the #1 rushing defense for the past 2 seasons when they were all healthy.. who do they patriots have besides their 1 pro-bowler?