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I do realize that that proves your attention span is that of a mayfly...

Let's just look at the last four years!!!!! THAT is the only parameter that can be used !!! All else doesn't count!!! Pats not in Super Bowl since 2007!!REAL REAL BAD!!! BECAUSE THEY BLEW A 3RD ROUND PICK!!!!
 
umm, did anyone in this thread say BB sucked, or that the team does? no? good, than if you want to discuss this, gtfo, and make ur own thread

this one has NOTHING to do with records, or other teams

this FO simply cant judge WR talent, the facts are there, highlighting that fact and that it needs correcting is a valid point

the fact that Price recently got cut only adds to the list of WR's we have drafted that have become absolutely nothing in this league, this same thread could have been made yesterday, with relatively equal weight


however, i wonder if now BB may actually think about changing his drafting philosophy....since there is a rookie scale, maybe bb wont mind drafting and trying out some of the more high risk/high reward players

i love getting great bargains, but not getting bargain trash
 
I do realize that that proves your attention span is that of a mayfly...

Let's just look at the last four years!!!!! THAT is the only parameter that can be used !!! All else doesn't count!!! Pats not in Super Bowl since 2007!!REAL REAL BAD!!! BECAUSE THEY BLEW A 3RD ROUND PICK!!!!
I fail to comprehend where winning a Superbowl is the same as going to a Superbowl too.
 
The Patriots are 8-3....soon to be 9-3

this whole dyamed board is consumed with how bad the Patriots suck at everything.....

this site needs a whiner page featuring sobbing, crying threads only...where all you pathological, nonstop cry babies can vent ad nauseum until your blood vessels in your temples burst...

We're just awful, especially our offense. When are we going to finally spend a high pick at quarterback. oh, I mean receiver. All our receivers suck, that's why our offense is so bad. Running backs too.
 
I fail to comprehend where winning a Superbowl is the same as going to a Superbowl too.

It is for 30 teams every year...something we didn't do, again.
 
Same FO that got Welker and Branch right ? Draft isn't only way to build team. I think that overall winning % last 11 years proves that.
 
Same FO that got Welker and Branch right ? Draft isn't only way to build team. I think that overall winning % last 11 years proves that.

Overall win % in the last 11 years actually supports the notions that

a.) it's mostly about the QB

b.) for most teams, it's also mostly about the draft, with only supplementing through other avenues.

and

c.) every once in a while you get a fluke team like the Ravens and Bucs
 
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A couple of high-risk, high-reward third rounders don't pan out, and suddenly that means the Pats can't draft WRs? What WRs are asked to do in college is miles apart from what the Patriots ask them to do, so of course it's going to be difficult to project them into this offense.

It sucked that Chad Jackson worked out, and I still don't really understand what happened there, but sometimes picks just don't pan out. Price, though, was a project who had played his college career in a high-school offense, which made it difficult to project his abilities to the pros. He could have been a diamond in the rough, or he could have been nothing. Tate, similarly, was coming off of a major injury. Sometimes those picks work out (Gronk), sometimes they don't. It is what it is.

What I really don't get, though, is people making sweeping declarations about the team's ability to draft an entire position based on a sample size of three or four mid-round failures. Up until Gronk and Hernandez, everyone said they couldn't draft tight ends. Before that, people were saying that they couldn't draft linebackers (some still say this) right up until Mayo and Spikes came through. Sometime, probably soon, the Pats are going to draft another David Givens, and suddenly most will forget about all of this. Name a position, and I'll name players who were drafted and didn't make it here. It's not because the Pats are incapable of drafting these positions; that's just how it goes.

To the OP's credit, ALP is an insightful poster who I enjoy reading, definitely not trying to call him out individually or anything. This was one of the better-expressed takes on this line of reasoning that I've seen (and we see a lot of them), but I still just fundamentally disagree with it.
 
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We've had pretty good receiving corps since 2007, wether they were acquired through draft or other means. As for draft, I prefer having Gronk and Hernandez over a WR.
 
It is what it is. While I'm not going down the "OMG! He shouldn't be allowed to draft WRs!" road, there's no question that he's gone "0 fer" when it comes to drafting WRs post-2002.
 
Look..the Pats could have drafted Patrick Willis..they passed on him...should I start a knee jerk,bawling thread full of what ifs and coulda shouldas? You don't judge a team in a vacuum.The Pats have whiffed on a number of picks the last few seasons...they've also hit on a number...to answer this gut wrenching thread in a positive manner I'd just say...yeah, missed on the Price pick...but HIT BIG BIG BIG on the Gronk and Hernandez picks...the only problem is, THAT is too much positivity for a Patriot fan to display it would seem.Other teams drafted WR's after Price that have proven to be players.Those teams also MISSED on some of THEIR picks.You'll never see a thread on THAT here though...it's as if the Pats are the worst drafting team ever in NFL history and every single cut of a drafted player is PROOF.
 
Look..the Pats could have drafted Patrick Willis..they passed on him...

Not true...did I miss something? We had two late 20's picks in 2007, he was drafted 11th.

As for the rest of your post, I agree completely.
 
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Up until Gronk and Hernandez, everyone said they couldn't draft tight ends. Before that, people were saying that they couldn't draft linebackers (some still say this) right up until Mayo and Spikes came through. Sometime, probably soon, the Pats are going to draft another David Givens, and suddenly most will forget about all of this. Name a position, and I'll name players who were drafted and didn't make it here. It's not because the Pats are incapable of drafting these positions; that's just how it goes.

I dunno about this. Graham was a good all around tight end for us and left for a big contract. Watson did not live up to his hype but also played out his rookie contract for us, was a starter for most of that time and got a nice deal elsewhere. LB I can't really remember any significant picks being used on one before Mayo.
 
Look..the Pats could have drafted Patrick Willis..they passed on him...should I start a knee jerk,bawling thread full of what ifs and coulda shouldas? You don't judge a team in a vacuum.The Pats have whiffed on a number of picks the last few seasons...they've also hit on a number...to answer this gut wrenching thread in a positive manner I'd just say...yeah, missed on the Price pick...but HIT BIG BIG BIG on the Gronk and Hernandez picks...the only problem is, THAT is too much positivity for a Patriot fan to display it would seem.Other teams drafted WR's after Price that have proven to be players.Those teams also MISSED on some of THEIR picks.You'll never see a thread on THAT here though...it's as if the Pats are the worst drafting team ever in NFL history and every single cut of a drafted player is PROOF.

The Pats are bad at drafting WRs. That's not looking at draft picks in a vacuum. That's looking at the team's evaluation of WRs coming out of college.

It's poor. It's probably below league average, and it's a legitimate cause of frustration by the fan base.

The Patriots give their fan base a lot to be happy about: wins, championships, good overall hit-rate on draft picks. But they are undoubtedly bad at drafting WR. The good outweigh the bad by miles, but the team's WR drafting definitely goes on the bad column. You can't argue this.
 
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LMAO.....good comparison....you do realize that the cards have been to an SB more recently than the pats?
When was the last time they won one, sport?
 
Not true...did I miss something? We had two late 20's picks in 2007, he was drafted 11th.

As for the rest of your post, I agree completely.

yeah...there was a thread dedicated to moving up with those two picks ,if I'm remembering correctly...and then ,halfway through his rookie season, there were more "we blew it bigtime on Willis!!!!" threads . Miami drafted Ted Ginn Jr. two slots before Willis. The Pats drafted Meriwether with their first pick and then trade down...to move up, they would have had to package a two with those 1's....looking back, they should have probably done it but then where do the picks for Welker and Moss factor in...you cannot have ALL the candy in the candy store...this seems to be lost on a large number of today's Pats fans.
 
Route adjustments. The WR has to be able to read the defense and adjust accordingly, all while running the route. For example, an easy example of this is Welker's in/out option. He runs 5 yards. He reads whether the CB is more to his outside or inside, and he cuts the other direction. Or Branch reads whether the defense is in cover 2 or cover 4, and runs a comeback against cover 4 but a fade against cover 2. A lot of guys can't think and run at the same time like that.

Deep in vs Cover 2. He loves that route.
 
LMAO.....good comparison....you do realize that the cards have been to an SB more recently than the pats?

Yup. Arizona Cardinals are far superior to us. They run a magnificent organisation. They are rich with those amazing SB appearances and wins.
 
OLB is just as bad,if not worse in Belichick's draft decision making

WR and OLB are areas that,if we had taken the right players,might have meant at least 1 or 2 more SB wins by now.

You simply can't rely on aged FAs in these areas ever year.
I wouldn't say this because BB has only drafted ONE OLB since hes been here with a high round pick. That being Cunningham who if i remember corectly didnt' play OLB in college.
 
The Pats are bad at drafting WRs. That's not looking at draft picks in a vacuum. That's looking at the team's evaluation of WRs coming out of college.

It's poor. It's probably below league average, and it's a legitimate cause of frustration by the fan base.

The Patriots give their fan base a lot to be happy about: wins, championships, good overall hit-rate on draft picks. But they are undoubtedly bad at drafting WR. The good outweigh the bad by miles, but the team's WR drafting definitely goes on the bad column. You can't argue this.

I'll argue it isn't important. Who has had a better passing offense the last ten years? Not many. For the record we are second in yards, yards per pass and QB rating in all of football now. We just cut a guy who had two years to pick up the system and win a job and did not.

How many receivers have been better over the last ten years than our passing system?
 
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