Oswlek
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Was that a rhetorical question ?
Joke. Sorry if it didn't come across.
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You guys all make good points...but...
Da Bruinz...the titans improvement is over the jets improvement is well taken... and I may be wrong in that regard. You also listed who the jets have played the last eight games. But here is who the pats have played the last 7 games.
Nov 19 @Green Bay
Nov 26 Chicago
Dec 3 Detroit
Dec 10 @Miami
Dec 17 Houston
Dec 24 @Jacksonville
Dec 31 @Tennessee
wow what a schedule that is.... oh man that's a toughie. So, maybe you'll forgive me if I am not overly impressed. Yea you beat road weary chicago but got shut out by miami? Yikes? The Pats let Joey Harrington...who played so bad against the Jets he got benched for Cleo Lemon...outplay Tom Brady!!!! Yikes!!!
And yea brady did slip on the field..but your "not on the same spots on the field" excuse is lame. When the Pats played the Raiders in the '01 playoffs it was a freakin blizzard. No Raider used the sloppy field excuse. Neither the Colts in '03 when it was a mess in Gillette. So I don't want to hear it.
Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Laurence Maroney, and David Thomas are all good recievers but the Jets have better recievers. Are you telling me you'd rather have Caldwell than Coles? Caldwell's stats aren't as good as Cotchery's? And you guys have the BETTER quarterback.
Holy Diver... would you put Assante Samuel, as great as he is...one on one with Coles for the entire game? I'm not so sure he's a shutdown yet... soon maybe.
Listen...either team can win this sunday, I just think it'll happen to be the Jets who win.
-Chris
Brady slipped a few times? I remeber him being helped to the muddy ground by some green and white. Pennington looked pretty clean after that mud bowl and Brady looked like.. well mud.
all this aside, it's a good thing we play the game instead of duking it out on partesan forum.
I think the Jets will do better then the spread - and with some key turn overs and special team action, could win. I don't think it will be lopsided. Magenius is to smart for that - and knows the pats system.
Either way, the Pats dynasty is over. :bricks:
The new kid will lead the AFC east next year. But don't feel bad Pats fans, your team will still be superior to the leaderless dolphins and LOSSMan Bills.
How many #1 picks have made an impact - usually the best players are deeper in the draft....
I know you're too knowledgeable to actually ask the question you did but it kind of read as a real questionJoke. Sorry if it didn't come across.
How many #1 picks have made an impact - usually the best players are deeper in the draft....
Man. You have no concept, do you?
1) The Titans were the hottest team in the LEAGUE when we faced them, having won 7 in a row.
2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.
3) Miami is always tough because they are a division rival. But, of course, you know that. So is Buffalo.
4) Jacksonville is another team on the rise.
Hell, lets just look at the overall records of the teams.
Chicago - 13-3
Green Bay - 8-8
Detroit - 3-13
Miami - 6-10
Houston - 6-10
Jacksonville - 8-8
Tennessee - 8-8
Buffalo - 7-9
Minnesota - 6-10
Oakland 2-14
The common opponents over the last 7 games were GB, Chi, MIA, and Hou.
The Pats 3 remaining opponents had a record of 19-29.
The Jets 3 remaining opponents had a record of 15-33.
Neither case is good, and both teams went 3-1 agaist the common opponents in that span.
Also, the Field at Gillette in 03 wasn't a mess. But you wouldn't know that. It was hard as a rock.
As for the Raider game in 01, you're right, they didn't use the excuse that the field was a mess. Because the field wasn't a mess. It had SNOW on it. OH, and it wasn't even the SAME FIELD. At least know wtf you are talking about if you are going to make a rebuttle.
The Jets may have better receivers, but their QB isn't in the same league as Brady, no matter how much you Jets fans want to tout him as being so.
Now, as to your other stupidity. Yes, it is stupidity first of all. Second of all, you didn't ask me originally who I would rather have. You asked what the improvement were. I told you what they were. Just because the Pats were already that much farther ahead of the Jets doesn't mean that the Pats didn't improve. And it also doesn't mean that the Jets big improvements mean all that much. They had that much farther to go to begin with.
Yes, I know you think the Jests will win. That's all fine and dandy. But don't come in here touting how "great" the Jests are when they aren't that great.
Firstly...if all that you remember is green and white and not Brady slipping..you have a great imagaination...keep that in your memories..you MAY NOT see that all that much tomorrow... but dream all u want to..delirious dreams are just fine.. The Jets MAY do better...they may not...Brady slipped a few times? I remeber him being helped to the muddy ground by some green and white. Pennington looked pretty clean after that mud bowl and Brady looked like.. well mud.
all this aside, it's a good thing we play the game instead of duking it out on partesan forum.
I think the Jets will do better then the spread - and with some key turn overs and special team action, could win. I don't think it will be lopsided. Magenius is to smart for that - and knows the pats system.
Either way, the Pats dynasty is over. :bricks:
The new kid will lead the AFC east next year. But don't feel bad Pats fans, your team will still be superior to the leaderless dolphins and LOSSMan Bills.
Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.
PWP: Then put your hands over your ears because Ty was the difference maker along with an injured Big Sey who was pulled. BB had to go with perennial inactive Marquis Hill who is useless.
There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....
PWP: Just OL starters Stephen Neal and O'Callahan
The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.
GO JETS
-Chris
Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.
The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.
I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.
In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:
Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...
Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.
Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.
There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....
The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.
GO JETS
-Chris
Brady is SO much more in sync with his wideouts now vs then.
That makes no sense. Hopefully Mangini feels that way and trades a 1st round draft pick to us for a 3rd or 4th rounder.usually the best players are deeper in the draft....
2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.
The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game.
I could be wrong but isn't Schobel a DE in a 4-3 scheme? If so, then it makes no sense comparing the 2. Warren is really a DT.Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.