some Jets reasoning

[Oswlek]

Was that a rhetorical question ?

Joke. Sorry if it didn't come across.

 

[DaBruinz]

You guys all make good points...but...

Da Bruinz...the titans improvement is over the jets improvement is well taken... and I may be wrong in that regard. You also listed who the jets have played the last eight games. But here is who the pats have played the last 7 games.
Nov 19 @Green Bay
Nov 26 Chicago
Dec 3 Detroit
Dec 10 @Miami
Dec 17 Houston
Dec 24 @Jacksonville
Dec 31 @Tennessee

wow what a schedule that is.... oh man that's a toughie. So, maybe you'll forgive me if I am not overly impressed. Yea you beat road weary chicago but got shut out by miami? Yikes? The Pats let Joey Harrington...who played so bad against the Jets he got benched for Cleo Lemon...outplay Tom Brady!!!! Yikes!!!

And yea brady did slip on the field..but your "not on the same spots on the field" excuse is lame. When the Pats played the Raiders in the '01 playoffs it was a freakin blizzard. No Raider used the sloppy field excuse. Neither the Colts in '03 when it was a mess in Gillette. So I don't want to hear it.

Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Laurence Maroney, and David Thomas are all good recievers but the Jets have better recievers. Are you telling me you'd rather have Caldwell than Coles? Caldwell's stats aren't as good as Cotchery's? And you guys have the BETTER quarterback.

Holy Diver... would you put Assante Samuel, as great as he is...one on one with Coles for the entire game? I'm not so sure he's a shutdown yet... soon maybe.

Listen...either team can win this sunday, I just think it'll happen to be the Jets who win.
-Chris

Man. You have no concept, do you?

1) The Titans were the hottest team in the LEAGUE when we faced them, having won 7 in a row.

2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.

3) Miami is always tough because they are a division rival. But, of course, you know that. So is Buffalo.

4) Jacksonville is another team on the rise.

Hell, lets just look at the overall records of the teams.
Chicago - 13-3
Green Bay - 8-8
Detroit - 3-13
Miami - 6-10
Houston - 6-10
Jacksonville - 8-8
Tennessee - 8-8
Buffalo - 7-9
Minnesota - 6-10
Oakland 2-14

The common opponents over the last 7 games were GB, Chi, MIA, and Hou.

The Pats 3 remaining opponents had a record of 19-29.
The Jets 3 remaining opponents had a record of 15-33.

Neither case is good, and both teams went 3-1 agaist the common opponents in that span.

Also, the Field at Gillette in 03 wasn't a mess. But you wouldn't know that. It was hard as a rock.

As for the Raider game in 01, you're right, they didn't use the excuse that the field was a mess. Because the field wasn't a mess. It had SNOW on it. OH, and it wasn't even the SAME FIELD. At least know wtf you are talking about if you are going to make a rebuttle.

The Jets may have better receivers, but their QB isn't in the same league as Brady, no matter how much you Jets fans want to tout him as being so.
Now, as to your other stupidity. Yes, it is stupidity first of all. Second of all, you didn't ask me originally who I would rather have. You asked what the improvement were. I told you what they were. Just because the Pats were already that much farther ahead of the Jets doesn't mean that the Pats didn't improve. And it also doesn't mean that the Jets big improvements mean all that much. They had that much farther to go to begin with.

Yes, I know you think the Jests will win. That's all fine and dandy. But don't come in here touting how "great" the Jests are when they aren't that great.

 

[DaBruinz]

Brady slipped a few times? I remeber him being helped to the muddy ground by some green and white. Pennington looked pretty clean after that mud bowl and Brady looked like.. well mud.

all this aside, it's a good thing we play the game instead of duking it out on partesan forum.

I think the Jets will do better then the spread - and with some key turn overs and special team action, could win. I don't think it will be lopsided. Magenius is to smart for that - and knows the pats system.

Either way, the Pats dynasty is over. :bricks:

The new kid will lead the AFC east next year. But don't feel bad Pats fans, your team will still be superior to the leaderless dolphins and LOSSMan Bills.

WOW. You are deluded. The dynasty isn't over. The Pats have won their 5th division title in 6 years and are starting to peak as they enter the play-offs.

And, nimrod, the reason the Pats didn't get a good pass rush is that 2 of our 3 starting D-linemen either weren't playing (Warren) or were playing out of position and attempting to play through an injury (Seymour).

And, I suggest you go back and watch the game because 2 of the sacks were because Brady slipped and fell without a Jet touching him.

 

[DaBruinz]

How many #1 picks have made an impact - usually the best players are deeper in the draft....

Seymour, Warren, Watson, Graham, Wilfork, Maroney, Mankins. Those are the 7 1st round picks that the Patriots have made under Belichick. ALL of them had big impacts, with Warren, Graham, and Watson taking a year longer to make it so.

OH, the Patriots do pretty well deeper in the draft also.

 

[BelichickFan]

Joke. Sorry if it didn't come across.

I know you're too knowledgeable to actually ask the question you did but it kind of read as a real question

 

[PatsSteve1]

How many #1 picks have made an impact - usually the best players are deeper in the draft....

* Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Watson, Marooney, Mankins and Graham were all round 1 picks.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Man. You have no concept, do you?

1) The Titans were the hottest team in the LEAGUE when we faced them, having won 7 in a row.

2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.

3) Miami is always tough because they are a division rival. But, of course, you know that. So is Buffalo.

4) Jacksonville is another team on the rise.

Hell, lets just look at the overall records of the teams.
Chicago - 13-3
Green Bay - 8-8
Detroit - 3-13
Miami - 6-10
Houston - 6-10
Jacksonville - 8-8
Tennessee - 8-8
Buffalo - 7-9
Minnesota - 6-10
Oakland 2-14

The common opponents over the last 7 games were GB, Chi, MIA, and Hou.

The Pats 3 remaining opponents had a record of 19-29.
The Jets 3 remaining opponents had a record of 15-33.

Neither case is good, and both teams went 3-1 agaist the common opponents in that span.

Also, the Field at Gillette in 03 wasn't a mess. But you wouldn't know that. It was hard as a rock.

As for the Raider game in 01, you're right, they didn't use the excuse that the field was a mess. Because the field wasn't a mess. It had SNOW on it. OH, and it wasn't even the SAME FIELD. At least know wtf you are talking about if you are going to make a rebuttle.

The Jets may have better receivers, but their QB isn't in the same league as Brady, no matter how much you Jets fans want to tout him as being so.
Now, as to your other stupidity. Yes, it is stupidity first of all. Second of all, you didn't ask me originally who I would rather have. You asked what the improvement were. I told you what they were. Just because the Pats were already that much farther ahead of the Jets doesn't mean that the Pats didn't improve. And it also doesn't mean that the Jets big improvements mean all that much. They had that much farther to go to begin with.

Yes, I know you think the Jests will win. That's all fine and dandy. But don't come in here touting how "great" the Jests are when they aren't that great.

Last 2 opponents:

15 Sun, Dec 17 Houston W 40-7 -12 10-4 Brady 109 Dillon 61 Faulk 46
16 Sun, Dec 24 at Jacksonville W 24-21 2½ 11-4 Brady 249 Maroney 48 Thomas 83
17 Sun, Dec 31 at Tennessee W 40-23 NL 12-4 Brady 225 Maroney 73 Caldwell 134



Detroit isn't in the mix.

Combined record is better

 

[PatsFanInVa]

First, I want to say, and sincerely, you guys enjoy the hell out of this week! Who among us doesn't remember the one-appearance-in-three-years types of seasons? Seriously folks... why begrudge the fine city of NY their moment in the football sun?

Okay, second point: statistically, roster-wise, health-wise, experience-wise, etc., you'd be nuts to pick the Jets to win this game. However, as has been pointed out, they play the game on Sunday... not in a computer, not in a health clinic where they check who's most injured, on a football field.

To wax philosophical: I'm glad we can theoretically lose Sunday. Otherwise it would all be boring as hell, not to mention not what the NFL is all about. We CAN lose this game. I feel pretty good about winning it, of course; I think that's by far the more likely outcome. But the triumphalism is a little premature. SOMEBODY goes home Sunday feeling like crap... I do believe it will be the Jets. But until then, both teams are in the same position as Schrodinger's cat - half alive, and half dead.

Oh and by the way, monkies COULD theoretically fly out of my *****.

Just had to throw that in.

PFnV

 

[Pats726]

Brady slipped a few times? I remeber him being helped to the muddy ground by some green and white. Pennington looked pretty clean after that mud bowl and Brady looked like.. well mud.

all this aside, it's a good thing we play the game instead of duking it out on partesan forum.

I think the Jets will do better then the spread - and with some key turn overs and special team action, could win. I don't think it will be lopsided. Magenius is to smart for that - and knows the pats system.

Either way, the Pats dynasty is over. :bricks:

The new kid will lead the AFC east next year. But don't feel bad Pats fans, your team will still be superior to the leaderless dolphins and LOSSMan Bills.

Firstly...if all that you remember is green and white and not Brady slipping..you have a great imagaination...keep that in your memories..you MAY NOT see that all that much tomorrow... but dream all u want to..delirious dreams are just fine.. The Jets MAY do better...they may not...
and yes they COULD win..there is no question about that..and u are right they WILL need some special team plays AND turnovers to do that..I think that your admitting that you will need that you ARE basically saying that the Patriots are far better and that you NEED the breaks to win... VERY true..no turnovers, no ST break..the Jets are toast!!! So Mangina is going to go out and tackle players and stop the Pats from running it up?? the fat pieman can't do CRAP, my friend... To say the dynasty is over just shows u are smoking some good wedd. DREAM on!! you aren't the first or last to say that..Mangina is this year's Saban...mark those words!!

 

[averywhitehall]

Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.

The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.

I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.

In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:

Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

PWP: Then put your hands over your ears because Ty was the difference maker along with an injured Big Sey who was pulled. BB had to go with perennial inactive Marquis Hill who is useless.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

PWP: Just OL starters Stephen Neal and O'Callahan

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

Brady is SO much more in sync with his wideouts now vs then.

 

[SVN]

Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.

The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.

I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.

In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:

Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

valid pts but why is it not possible that the patriots off line in the 2nd game missing neal and o'callahan wasnt as cohesive just like the jets line in the first . why is it not possilbe that the patriots db's blew coverages in the 2nd game like the jets did in the first ? why is it not possible that missing warren and seymour playing out of position with marquise hill in the game for christ sakes hindered our game .
I give all the credit to the jets in the 2nd game. They played better than the pats did but your reasoning seems to say that in the first game jets made mistakes and pats won. in the second game neither team made mistakes and the jets won..not sure how.

 

[averywhitehall]

Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.

The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.

I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.

In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:

Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If you keep posting the same drivel time and again it doesn't make it true.
Really, it doesn't.

 

[shirtsleeve]

Brady is SO much more in sync with his wideouts now vs then.

Excellent points PWP. In the second game 2/3 of our D line was hurt and 2/5 of our O line. Sey started where Warren was supposed to be, and didn't play the full game. And this guy says that Warren isn't a difference maker? Warren is deadly if not doubled up, so then what do you do with Sey? Oh, wait if they double them both, doesn't that free TBC and Colvin to wreak havoc around the edge....mmm, sounds faintly familiar....

BTW. Love the new avatar and location. But what happened to the live free or die state? We gotta talk in the pub about what went on up there since I moved away.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I had the misfortune to be at the 2nd Jets game. Front row seats at a slow motion train wreck.

 

[jaychamp]

usually the best players are deeper in the draft....

That makes no sense. Hopefully Mangini feels that way and trades a 1st round draft pick to us for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Good deal, since by your philosophy, we'd be getting screwed, right?

 

[zoostation]

2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.

I know...this claim is an absolute joke. I have several friends from Chicago who said the entire Bear org. looked at this game as the biggest game in 4 years for the team. It was the game they would prove they could compete against an elite team. Then the Pats went out and dropped 35o some odd yards on them.

Road wary from a 2 hour flight. Give me a f%cking break.

 

[zoostation]

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game.

The Patriots prevented the Patriots from getting into the end zone that day with two fumbles in the red zone. The team was a bit lethargic that day and seemed to try and rely on talent as opposed to 100% focus.

Listen. If the Jets and Pats play 10 times it's inevitable that the Jets will win one or two. So congrats on that win. I don't see it happening again any time soon.

Having said that, I do hope your team is for real and in the future can give the Pats a run for their money in the division.

Good luck.

 

[jaychamp]

Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

I could be wrong but isn't Schobel a DE in a 4-3 scheme? If so, then it makes no sense comparing the 2. Warren is really a DT.

Warren is a huge difference maker in the run game, and pass rush, not really sacks.