End of an era at Penn State.

[PatsFan24]

I can't help but wonder how long this really did go on, and now many kids were abused.

Also, I find it shallow and stupid that people are angry about how Joe was fired. It is almost like some people think he is a victim here. I hope that is not how people really think. Personally I don't give a **** how he was fired. He needed to be fired, how he got fired doesn't bother me. Getting canned is going to be the least of his problem in coming months.

 

[PatsFan24]

BTW, if the rumors about this sex trafficing end up being true, Sandusky should be killed. I mean, I am all for him being tourchered and killed already but if this is true he should be killed, brought back to life, then burried alive.

In fact, I would cheer a vigilante who killed this bastard.

 

[BradyManny]

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree there. Just bear in mind, everyone reading this thread, that I can pretty well assume that you all have direct knowledge of at least one felony that's been committed that you did not report. Does that make you a bad person? I don't know, I figure that it depends largely on the crime in question. But it should never make you a criminal, and, thankfully, the law as written generally supports that.

You and Deus are acting like there isn't any precedence for this.

Again, if this were the military, a teacher (which is ridicolously close to a coach), a doctor or several other scenarios, there would be a responsibility to report the rape that they witnessed.

 

[BradyManny]

No you're lying, because I never mentioned whether not reporting the activities was either right or wrong.

We're done with this discussion. I'll not have people lying about my position on such a sensitive subject.

I'm not lying. Please re-read what you said.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

ESPN's resident legal eagle weights in.

While Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says that her office won't file charges against Joe Paterno for not reporting the alleged child sexual abuse by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, the 84-year-old coach could eventually face criminal charges for perjury, obstruction of justice and violating the state's Child Protective Services Law. Paterno could also become a defendant in civil lawsuits filed by Sandusky's alleged victims. Those lawsuits could allege that Paterno negligently failed to prevent a third party with whom he had a supervisory relationship (Sandusky) from committing abuse.

Not to mention the Feds are now in via the US Dept. of Ed investigating whether or not any of the parties violated their reporting rules.

And in time stories may change as possible plea bargains and likely civil settlements unfold.



Did Penn State's Joe Paterno break law in Jerry Sandusky case? - Michael McCann - SI.com

 

[sbpatfan]

Anyone find it odd that the majority of money donated to PSU by the Paterno family was around the same time Sandusky got fired?

 

[PatsFan24]

If Joe did break the law, and I hope he did, he should sit in prison for this rest of his life. Only a few years maybe, but still he should be there.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I can't help but wonder how long this really did go on, and now many kids were abused.

Also, I find it shallow and stupid that people are angry about how Joe was fired. It is almost like some people think he is a victim here. I hope that is not how people really think. Personally I don't give a **** how he was fired. He needed to be fired, how he got fired doesn't bother me. Getting canned is going to be the least of his problem in coming months.

Rumor has it as many as 20 alleged victims have already come forward (more than twice the number of victims the grand jury was aware of). There are likely exponentially more given the time span.

The fact that Sandusky was allowed to retain emeritus status at PSU, whether they took his locker room keys away or not, is what will ultimately bury the University. He was still allowed on the main campus and was seen in the weight room as recently as a week ago. He used that status to attract his victims and to cover his association with children under the guise of mentorship. He was allowed to run summer camps on a satelite campus...

I have the feeling there was some kind of quid pro quo involved. He either had leverage on one of more them or some of them (administrators, alumni, significant doners) were complicit or he convinced them what could come out or transpire if he was ever entirely cut off or prosecuted would ruin all of them...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You and Deus are acting like there isn't any precedence for this.

Again, if this were the military, a teacher (which is ridicolously close to a coach), a doctor or several other scenarios, there would be a responsibility to report the rape that they witnessed.

Unfortunately, PA's reporting laws were relatively non-stringent. In particular, they did not (and still don't) mandate that state employees report such things to the police; it requires that they report it to their immediate supervisor within 48 hours.

One PA legislator has suggested amending the law to mandate that such reporting occur—perhaps by anyone, state employee or not, who witnesses such abuse. [I'm not opposed to such a law, but I'm also leery of putting in a requirement to report without some sort of protection for people who do.]

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Unfortunately, PA's reporting laws were relatively non-stringent. In particular, they did not (and still don't) mandate that state employees report such things to the police; it requires that they report it to their immediate supervisor within 48 hours.
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http://www.training3info.org/admin/resources/9-11-2006_12_00_49_PM_COMBINED_INFO_8-06.pdf

Actually school administrators, among others are mandated to report it to Dept Public Welfare and there is a dedicated reporting line ( see link). It's pretty stringent and as a mandated reporter myself in Pennsylvania, that number is very well known to health professionals and I assume school administrators....It's felt that the DPW has the connections so reporters don't fall through the cracks and there is followup on reports.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

http://www.training3info.org/admin/resources/9-11-2006_12_00_49_PM_COMBINED_INFO_8-06.pdf

Actually school administrators, among others are mandated to report it to Dept Public Welfare and there is a dedicated reporting line ( see link). It's pretty stringent and as a mandated reporter myself in Pennsylvania, that number is very well known to health professionals and I assume school administrators....It's felt that the DPW has the connections so reporters don't fall through the cracks and there is followup on reports.

Fair enough, although I was specifically referring to Paterno and McQueary, who are neither "school administrators" nor "school teachers."

 

[Jackson 2]

Fair enough, although I was specifically referring to Paterno and McQueary, who are neither "school administrators" nor "school teachers."

Pennsylvania law defines mandated reporters as school employees "who in the course of their employment or practice of their profession come into contact with children." I'm guessing that includes coaches.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Sandusky is clearly the villain here and focus should be on punishing him and on finding and helping his poor victims. That said, the administration's decision to continue to allow Sandusky access to students, after they knew he posed a danger to them, opens the university to legal exposure for any succeeding acts by him. The decision tree to not notify either law enforcement or CPS (or whatever it's called in PN) smacks of a disgusting coverup. What a cynical, horrid and shortsighted series of decisions those administrators made; I hope they get charged as well as sued personally.

 

[Sivy]

Sports Media Asks Molestation Victims What This Means For Joe Paterno's Legacy | The Onion Sports Network

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Apparently McQueary has been placed on administrative leave (sent home with pay). His coaching career is likely over, and not just at PSU. I heard someone opine today that he may technically be protected by the whistle blower statutes, although those laws are suppposed to protect those truly brave souls who risk their careers by reporting to authorities rather than hiding behind the chain of command and subsequently continuing to climb up through the ranks... He apparently didn't perjure himself when the Grand Jury came calling, but it's not like he went to the AG and blew the whistle that triggered the investigation. That was one of the Mom's...and one of the victims.

 

[letekro]

I'm a PSU alum/fan/parent and am just stunned by what happened. I wanted to wait a couple of days to see what happened. It's been a while since I was in school. Graduated in 1989 after a stint in the service. I don't look at Penn State as Camelot as many grads do. It was a place I went to college to help myself prepare for a better career. I am also a huge sports fan. So, I was always very proud to say I went to PSU. Hey, we may not be as good as Miami, Oklahoma or Florida State. But, we've got a pretty good GD team and are doing it the right way. When I was in school students would check to make sure the players weren't getting preferential treatment. Wanted them to earn their degree. And, they did. I was in a couple of classes with former Pat Michael Timpson. Never missed a class, sat in the front row, kept his mouth shot and bolted as soon as class was over. Probably on a pretty tight schedule I always thought.

Mike Francesa has pretty much nailed it on his WFAN coverage if anyone saw it. Joepa runs the town/campus. For people who think he didn't know about the 1998 incident where there was a 30page report about Sandusky. I say. Come on man!! He knew. That's why Sandusky retired the following year 1999. Joe's generation probably looks at people like Sandusky as perverts at that point. Not a predator. Well, the March 2002 incident where McQuery witness that horrific act should have resulted in Sandusky in handcuffs that night. How McQuery walks out of the building without that kid or calling the police from the location makes me question his motives? He was 28. Not 18. 6'4 230 LB Big, strong, tough football player. How Joe doesn't call the Police Chief the next am kills me. The smartest, most honorable person or so we thought. Wants to protect his program/legacy now. I think he may have felt like that in 1998 too, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. McQuery gets promoted from grad assistant. Sandusky told he can't bring any "kids" around any longer. Really?? That's it. Yup. Sure Joe reports it to his lackey. Curley the AD. Ironically, hired to replace Joe who was AD too once. Ya think Curley does anything about football without asking Joe? Nothing ever happens. Guess they passed the report on to Sgt Schultz. Who knows nothing in a German accent. Mind numbing indifference to that kid in the shower. McQuery sees Sandusky around the practice facilities now and then. Doesn't bother him??? I guess not. Who the bleep knows what Joe's thinking any more? He should have retired 10-12 years ago. He's no dummy even now. But, he's not the same man he was in 1998. He clearly is trying to protect his once impeccable reputation. I hope Sandusky does the honorable thing and pulls the trigger. It's a better fate than what awaits him in prison. Get this. There are reports he was shopping at ****'s Sporting Goods wearing his Penn State gear today. I kid you not. That's a sick puppy. Mike McQuery. I was going to say you let your alumni down. No, it's worse than that. You let your fellow human beings down. Mike's dad is a physician in State College and comes from a well off family. He had no reason to be afraid of Jerry Sandusky. Joepa - I just can't look at you the same any more. Were you more worried about how this made PSU looks than the victims? It sure looks that way.

Penn State will recover. Gonna take a while. Too many good people not to. But, it will never be the same.

Timpson was a friend of mine when he was with the Pats. Extremely nice, intelligent guy.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Apparently McQueary has been placed on administrative leave (sent home with pay). His coaching career is likely over, and not just at PSU. I heard someone opine today that he may technically be protected by the whistle blower statutes, although those laws are suppposed to protect those truly brave souls who risk their careers by reporting to authorities rather than hiding behind the chain of command and subsequently continuing to climb up through the ranks... He apparently didn't perjure himself when the Grand Jury came calling, but it's not like he went to the AG and blew the whistle that triggered the investigation. That was one of the Mom's...and one of the victims.

They need McQueary to testify against the higher ups as to what he saw and told them that they sugarcoated and ignored. If they make him a target, then the case against the AD, VP etc is weakened.....
Morally, he's missing a compass as his actions in the shower that day should have been reflexive, not reflective....

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Pennsylvania law defines mandated reporters as school employees "who in the course of their employment or practice of their profession come into contact with children." I'm guessing that includes coaches.

Do college students qualify as "children"? My understanding of the situation is that they don't.

 

[mgcolby]

The sick f*** lives next to an elementary school...unbelievable...

State College, PA - Sandusky Home Borders Elementary-School Grounds; Administrative Action Taken

 

[jays52]

McQueary told his father, who told him to come immediately home. They went and told Paterno the next day.

Obviously a criminal act was committed so the father should have brought his son to the police. Paterno should have done more than say that he'd take care of it and pass the buck up the line of command. He should have told the son and father to report the crime to the police, told his superior and then checked later to make sure that something was done.

In the end, no one treated this like a criminal act.

They all treated this like a sexual harassment claim, where reporting it your superior is appropriate.

Which, until the last sentence was my entire point. He saw what effectively amounts to a baby getting raped. At what point does that trigger the inner chimp instinct of just acting? I think that if there was ever a case for taking things into your own hands seeing something like that is it. Sexual harassment is an ugly guy telling an attractive coworker he likes her jeans. This is the anal rape of a ten year old. The appropriate thing to do was to save that kid and future consequence be damned remove that predators by any means necessary. Instead, he turned his back on a rape victim and facilitated nine subsequent years of the same stuff. He's a weak ass b*tch, as is his Dad, and as a man there's no way any man with any shred of integrity couldn't hate both those atrophied c*nts.