Bedard:After Giants game, Haynesworth had to go

[signbabybrady]

Thanks to Brady it is not but t has nothing to do with our Defense

Losing is a team effort and Brady has had his hand in losses with his turnovers. But I am ok with Brady as I am BB and this D so long as they win more than they lose hopefully that gets you in the playoffs and maybe a bye. then hopefully we can win 3 or 4 playoff games.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

If you honestly believe the two defenses are similar based on ONE GAME from each even though the Ravens D can justifiably claim that "Ben had a big game throwing the ball" while the Pats D can't make the same excuse because it has allowed literally anyone with an arm to throw for 300+ yards on them for half of a season, I give up. You win. You're the guy sitting in front of a computer somewhere in Pittsburgh and I hope you feel proud about yourself.

Yup, simply can't man up.

Throw in the Jets games

 

[KoolAid]

This is why I dont get all the crying from posters here about BB cutting haynesworth.

if he is clearly dogging it out there and not giving an effort, what is the point of keeping him on the team?? what sort of message does that send to other players that are trying hard??

with Brace/Deadrick back we are 5deep at the DT position. I would much rather give the snaps to someone who WANTS to put in the effort.

the Haynesworth acquisition was a low risk high reward signing...it didnt work out..but our defense wont be affected by it

I agree.

I am glad that BB acccepts that something is not working and end it instead of dragging it on and on to save face.

BB is not going to hold a press conference to admit it was a mistake, but cutting the guy midseason pretty much sends the same message.

 

[Observer]

Translation

Some clown in Baltimore is sitting at his computer posting nonsense at patsfans.com.....and he knows it.

Let me repeat the challenge.

The Patriots and Ravens played in Pittsburgh back to back weeks. The ONLY credible way to judge the two units is under identical situations.

That's basic science. that's basic logic

Get the stats, with emphasis on the following:

Total Yards
Passing Yards
Sacks
Turnovers
"Situational Football"

POINTS

You failed basic science and basic logic.

 

[farouche]

Translation

Some clown in Baltimore is sitting at his computer posting nonsense at patsfans.com.....and he knows it.

Let me repeat the challenge.

The Patriots and Ravens played in Pittsburgh back to back weeks. The ONLY credible way to judge the two units is under identical situations.

That's basic science. that's basic logic

It really, really isn't.

Basic experimental science revolves around eliminating the variables. Football games are not played in lab conditions. The number of variables that change from week to week, from individual play to injuries to coaching decisions to play environment to random dumb chance, are legion.

There's a saying in statistical scientific analysis, however, that bears repeating: 'An N of 1 doesn't mean a damn thing.' Weird things can happen in any given instance, which is why looking at general trends and data aglomerates is safer and more accurate than looking at one instance and inferring a trend.

TL;DR: You are dead wrong. Balmerfan is right. The Pats defense is horrifically bad, on pace to be historically bad, and any attempt to compare the Ravens outstanding defense with the Pats' inevitably takes so much homery contortions that you probably need to see a chiropractor after every post.

 

[hodgey]

This is why I dont get all the crying from posters here about BB cutting haynesworth.

if he is clearly dogging it out there and not giving an effort, what is the point of keeping him on the team?? what sort of message does that send to other players that are trying hard??

with Brace/Deadrick back we are 5deep at the DT position. I would much rather give the snaps to someone who WANTS to put in the effort.

the Haynesworth acquisition was a low risk high reward signing...it didnt work out..but our defense wont be affected by it

Does the fact that our D-line sucks a problem for you?

 

[hodgey]

Thanks to Brady it is not but t has nothing to do with our Defense

I was thinking the same thing. The reason why the crappy d and poor personnel decisions are so frustrating is even at 34, Brady is still the best QB in the AFC! Maybe still the best in the league.

 

[Ron Sellers]

I was thinking the same thing. The reason why the crappy d and poor personnel decisions are so frustrating is even at 34, Brady is still the best QB in the AFC! Maybe still the best in the league.

That may be true, but he isn't playing like it this year. Despite being put into very difficult situations due to the offense turning the ball over four times, they still only gave up 24 points. As for the pass defense, they held Manning to just a hair over 50% completions and were constantly harassing him and knocking him down.

While the defense as a whole and the pass defense in particular is indeed subpar, this last game is a very poor example for pointing blame in their direction. The zeal of this forum to point fingers at the defense is unfounded this week. So too is the oft-repeated 'Brady is the best, that's why it's frustrating' refrain, because he has been far from the league's best quarterback this season.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

It really, really isn't.

Basic experimental science revolves around eliminating the variables. Football games are not played in lab conditions. The number of variables that change from week to week, from individual play to injuries to coaching decisions to play environment to random dumb chance, are legion.

There's a saying in statistical scientific analysis, however, that bears repeating: 'An N of 1 doesn't mean a damn thing.' Weird things can happen in any given instance, which is why looking at general trends and data aglomerates is safer and more accurate than looking at one instance and inferring a trend.

TL;DR: You are dead wrong. Balmerfan is right. The Pats defense is horrifically bad, on pace to be historically bad, and any attempt to compare the Ravens outstanding defense with the Pats' inevitably takes so much homery contortions that you probably need to see a chiropractor after every post.

Translation

Blah, blah, blah

However, if you're an idiot, what else can you say? Is anyone dumb enough to believe it?

Here are ACTUAL facts for you and numbnuts to ponder.

PITTSBURGH OFFENSE vs (?) vs (?)

Points 20 23
Effective points 20 16
Total Yards 392 427
Yards Passing 322 329
ThirdDown 7-12 58% 10-16 61%
Sacks 1 5
Turnovers 1 1
(situation) stopped drive set ballup a 8 yardline
easy TD
First downs 20 29
TOP 39:22 20:38

Situational 6 points first half 6 points second half
puked up 10 point allowed 17 1st half
lead 4th qtr points

"ANY ATTEMPT TO COMPARE THE RAVENS OUTSTANDING DEFENSE WITH THE PATS TAKES SO MUCH HOMERY DISTORTIONS.......BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY COMPARED ACTUAL PERFORMANCE AGAINST A COMMON OPPONENT PLAYING THE EXACT SAME PLAYERS UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS IT WOULD SHOW

Statistically the performaces were very similiar

If the performances were similiar, how can us idiots keep blaming the loss on totally on the defense?

Why exactly did one team win and the other lose? What about the offenses?


PITTSBURGH DEFENSE

POINTS 23 17
TOTAL YARDS 356 213
YARDS PASSING 289 170
SACKS 3 3
TURNOVERS 1 0
THIRD DOWN 14-21 67% 3-10 30%
SACKS 3 3
TOP 33:59 20:38


Gee, there are some differences here. Wonder which team won.

Must be the infinate, contemperal, peripheral, hydrogenated variable instituted permutations confined within the variable comparative work sets.

Great insight there, Einstein

 

[Modest]

How ever you want to butter it up.

 

[RIpats88]

Does the fact that our D-line sucks be a problem for you?

our D-line doesnt suck...if anything its the position where we have the most depth on defense..and we were able to pressure Eli last game

missing Haynesworths 7-10snaps a game isnt going to make a difference...especially if hes dogging it on those snaps.

wilfork, Love, Warren, Deadrick, Brace will be fine in handling the run and pressuring the QB

 

[Dutchmaster617]

He had to go but Sergio doesn't? Tripping guys on a deciding drive and throwing away a clutch win is accepted if you are nice?

Why do we sign good players who have had issues in the past then say oh he has issues cut him, yet we sign crap players who are disciplined? Why not go after a good player who is dsciplined, they do exist. It's like the guy who dates the whore and gets mad when she is flirting around. The solution? Date ten teenagers who are nice and respectful but can't provide a relationship at the adult level.

 

[Sciz]

He had to go but Sergio doesn't? Tripping guys on a deciding drive and throwing away a clutch win is accepted if you are nice?

Why do we sign good players who have had issues in the past then say oh he has issues cut him, yet we sign crap players who are disciplined? Why not go after a good player who is dsciplined, they do exist. It's like the guy who dates the whore and gets mad when she is flirting around. The solution? Date ten teenagers who are nice and respectful but can't provide a relationship at the adult level.

The average fan has to base his entire opinion of a player on what he sees in games. Belichick gets to base his opinion on the games, in depth film study, 4 days of practice a week, and talking to the guys. Sergio screwing up once is just a small part of what he's "graded" on throughout the week.

 

[FCB02062]

I had visions of Fat Albert getting 7 or 8 sacks and being a domninant player at times. He said all the right things in training camp, but....I guess a tiger doesn't change his spots...or is it a cheetah doesn't change his stripes? In the end, given his lack of effort, or maybe just lack of talent, I don't think Haynesworth suddenly "turning it on" was going to be the difference between this team spiraling towards 9-7 or worse OR righting the ship and playing good pass defense...

 

[hodgey]

Obviously you know absolutely zero about management.

A much better example is venture capital.

Identify unique opportunities for exceptional success.

Invest with minimal cost.

If successful, enjoy the rewards.

If not, exit and move on.

Had this been Haynes Albertworth, I doubt the story would even make it to profootballtalk based on the dynamics of the deal.

Furthermore, if you are dumb enough to actually think AH was here to "fix" it, there would have been zero need to sign Carter and Ellis. Furthermore, the compensation would have been much greater than a low round pick and a very minimal salary.

Outside of your post, there aren't any major failures here.

Two points here. I personally have run a highly successful business with many employees to manage for more than 25 years. How bout you? Secondly my problem is less with AH than it is with the overall personnel decisions. Do you like the make up of this team? I felt we were maybe a front seven impact player and a safety away from contending!!! Obviously with your pompous post you disagree!

 

[hodgey]

That may be true, but he isn't playing like it this year. Despite being put into very difficult situations due to the offense turning the ball over four times, they still only gave up 24 points. As for the pass defense, they held Manning to just a hair over 50% completions and were constantly harassing him and knocking him down.

While the defense as a whole and the pass defense in particular is indeed subpar, this last game is a very poor example for pointing blame in their direction. The zeal of this forum to point fingers at the defense is unfounded this week. So too is the oft-repeated 'Brady is the best, that's why it's frustrating' refrain, because he has been far from the league's best quarterback this season.

IMHO Brady is trying to overcompensate for what is the worst rated defense in the entire NFL. I appreciate your opinion however!

 

[hodgey]

our D-line doesnt suck...if anything its the position where we have the most depth on defense..and we were able to pressure Eli last game

missing Haynesworths 7-10snaps a game isnt going to make a difference...especially if hes dogging it on those snaps.

wilfork, Love, Warren, Deadrick, Brace will be fine in handling the run and pressuring the QB

I hope you are right. I would have preferred we went after a legit pass rusher in the in FA or the draft, but I won't give up hope till were done. I think our Dline is significantly under par. Just one fans opinion.

 

[RayClay]

Are there more trolls than fans here this week? They took a flyer on a powerful player with a bad past, he dogged it and he's gone.

Belichick will never be forgiven for going 14-2 in a transition year. Some of these "fans" need to experience a normal transition from turning over 80% of a Super Bowl defense, which is 2-14 and the like for 3 or 4 years.

 

[RayClay]

I hope you are right. I would have preferred we went after a legit pass rusher in the in FA or the draft, but I won't give up hope till were done. I think our Dline is significantly under par. Just one fans opinion.

Andre Carter isn't a significant pass rusher? who did you have in mind, Gholston?

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Two points here. I personally have run a highly successful business with many employees to manage for more than 25 years. How bout you? Secondly my problem is less with AH than it is with the overall personnel decisions. Do you like the make up of this team? I felt we were maybe a front seven impact player and a safety away from contending!!! Obviously with your pompous post you disagree!

It's better to be lucky than good.

Also, you should never buy a lottery ticket. Small chance of winning and with your thought process, you would probably think you would need to declare bankruptcy.

Ditto ever standing next to a slot machine.



Also, I'm a CFO and have done venture capital.