Rodney Harrison on Pats troubles

[QuantumMechanic]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

Brady has never had great long-range accuracy. 2007 was a fluke (long-range-wise), probably due to an willing-to-exert-himself-for-once Moss.

 

[Jackson 2]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

You need to dust off the abacus: 2011-2007 = 4

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Of course our OL is going to struggle when you pass the ball 90 times a game. Run the ******* ball and let them go on the offensive for a change.

This is probably the best OL we've had talent wise and it's all going to waste.

 

[E1Downey]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

Man reading/hearing things like this really stings. Not saying it's not true, but I'm no where near ready to accept these facts as truth.

I'm going to have a really tough time in a few years when Brady hangs it up. Sounds dumb, but it's going to be pretty tough.

 

[Kontradiction]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

Thank you for backing me up on this one as you watch a lot of film yourself, but I'm not sure that Brady's deep ball is eroding as much as you're making it out to be. In Moss' last couple of years here, he was constantly being double teamed and just didn't have the speed that he used to in order to beat it anymore. Since the first half of 2010, Brady hasn't had a true deep threat, but has hit it a good amount of times when it's been open (Slater earlier in the season). Is the deep ball what it was in 2007? No. But nothing will be as it was in 2007.

 

[patsfan-1982]

the problem with this team is they ant a team... no return game on ST Defense last in the NFL runing game even with 5 backs on the roster is still not there if Brady dose not play great they cant beat a good team

 

[slash83]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

I'm not worried bout Brady, I think the legit lack of any sort of threat on the outside hurts all 3 ranges of the passing game. Short, middle, or deep.

 

[randomk1]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

lulz...where do you take this his long range accuracy isn't there crap?

He is 2nd in the league with plays of 20+ yards. Aaron Rodgers leads the league in plays of 40+ yards. Brady drops to #15. All the guys that are ahead of Brady have stud receivers on the outside. Now i ain't no BB but that leads me to believe the problem is not Brady's accuracy but rather the guys he has available to throw the ball to. We have no deep threat. Brady is playing pretty damn well considering the lack of a deep threat means alot less room to work with.

 

[ctpatsfan1]

lulz...where do you take this his long range accuracy isn't there crap?

He is 2nd in the league with plays of 20+ yards. Aaron Rodgers leads the league in plays of 40+ yards. Brady drops to #15. All the guys that are ahead of Brady have stud receivers on the outside. Now i ain't no BB but that leads me to believe the problem is not Brady's accuracy but rather the guys he has available to throw the ball to. We have no deep threat. Brady is playing pretty damn well considering the lack of a deep threat means alot less room to work with.

Giants deep threat was injured and not playing and yet their WR's/TE's got opened.........Kevin Gilbride >>>>>>>> Bill O'Brien.

Bill O'Brien is the worst OC the Pats have had in a long time. He stinks at in-game adjustments and has no imagination with respect to changing schemes/plays to give players a better chance to get opened. Not to mention he affinity to pass, pass and pass some more when he has a very good run blocking OL that is being under utilized.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

the problem with this team is they ant a team... no return game on ST Defense last in the NFL runing game even with 5 backs on the roster is still not there if Brady dose not play great they cant beat a good team

Huh?

How about....say...don't turn the ball over four times; especially on your own ten yard line.

If Sunday's game had Peyton Manning associated with it; patsfans.com would be all over the excuse making and blame game associated with the loss.

Besides, if the were so many huge problems on Sunday, how exactly does one explain the fact that the last four drives went:

FG/TD/FG/TD

Oline/WR/TE/RB "problems" have nothing to do with ball security.


I guess Peyton has always been able to throw everyone under the bus because it's an effective operating method.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Giants deep threat was injured and not playing and yet their WR's/TE's got opened.........Kevin Gilbride >>>>>>>> Bill O'Brien.

Bill O'Brien is the worst OC the Pats have had in a long time. He stinks at in-game adjustments and has no imagination with respect to changing schemes/plays to give players a better chance to get opened. Not to mention he affinity to pass, pass and pass some more when he has a very good run blocking OL that is being under utilized.

So the last four drives that ended in scores reflect......zero adjustments.

If Gilbride was so smart, why did he wait for 11 drives to make "adjustments".

You must have been up all night to think up something this stupid.

 

[condon84]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

I don't know if his long range accuracy is eroding or not, we just don't throw it deep enough is the problem. It was telling on a 3rd down play against the Giants where Brady got sacked and they showed the camera angle from Brady's perspective looking down the field. Even on third and long, no receivers went deep and the middle was so clogged up. The defense now expects all these short middle of the field throws which are now causing a lot of tip balls that result into INTs. Teams have now adjusted to what we are doing, we have to make another adjustment it seems to create better passing lanes. And I think it all starts with a deep threat. Or at least the threat of us going deep.

 

[ctpatsfan1]

So the last four drives that ended in scores reflect......zero adjustments.

If Gilbride was so smart, why did he wait for 11 drives to make "adjustments".

You must have been up all night to think up something this stupid.

heh, BOB without Brady wouldn't have a job as an OC in this league.

The guy s*cks, that right s*cks, at in game adjustments, and to clarify that doesn't mean he doesn't make any it means he makes them too slowly or in some cases the wrong adjustments.

Do you even watch the games, good God I can tell from the formation and player personnel 99.9% of the time if it is a run or pass so what do you think opposing defenses who study this sh*t are doing? And of course I am certain that BB tearing him one on the sideline this past game was simply him telling BOB what a great job he was doing, no?

At least when Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniel were here they changed things up and came up with new formations and were less predictable, this guy is horrible.


As for Gilbride, I am sure he was adjusting all night long but BB was most likely countering. The game is one big chess match and the majority of the time BOB can get away with his poor performance because the Pats O is a dominant O, but then he runs into a superior D and DC and he folds like a cheap suit.

 

[ctpatsfan1]

I don't know if his long range accuracy is eroding or not, we just don't throw it deep enough is the problem. It was telling on a 3rd down play against the Giants where Brady got sacked and they showed the camera angle from Brady's perspective looking down the field. Even on third and long, no receivers went deep and the middle was so clogged up. The defense now expects all these short middle of the field throws which are now causing a lot of tip balls that result into INTs. Teams have now adjusted to what we are doing, we have to make another adjustment it seems to create better passing lanes. And I think it all starts with a deep threat. Or at least the threat of us going deep.

Can't be Condon........PatsfaninPittsburgh states BOB makes great adjustments in game with schemes and player personnel no way he wouldn't adjust to the other teams adjustments.

 

[Kontradiction]

Giants deep threat was injured and not playing and yet their WR's/TE's got opened.........Kevin Gilbride >>>>>>>> Bill O'Brien.

Bill O'Brien is the worst OC the Pats have had in a long time. He stinks at in-game adjustments and has no imagination with respect to changing schemes/plays to give players a better chance to get opened. Not to mention he affinity to pass, pass and pass some more when he has a very good run blocking OL that is being under utilized.

Go back three years and this was all being said about Josh McDaniels. Go back another four years and it's being said about Weis. Fast forward three years and it will be said about our next coordinator. The team can be a Super Bowl contender, or they can be contending for the first pick in the draft, and there will always be one constant: the coordinators will always suck.

 

[condon84]

Go back three years and this was all being said about Josh McDaniels. Go back another four years and it's being said about Weis. Fast forward three years and it will be said about our next coordinator. The team can be a Super Bowl contender, or they can be contending for the first pick in the draft, and there will always be one constant: the coordinators will always suck.

I don't recall too many people ever saying Weiss sucked as a coordinator.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I don't recall too many people ever saying Weiss sucked as a coordinator.

You don't remember NEM, then. Seriously, if I was Charlie Weis I probably would have got a restraining order against him just to be on the safe side. He was even more obsessed than Maverick was about McDaniels.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't recall too many people ever saying Weiss sucked as a coordinator.

I do. His in-game adjustments were too fancy, boneheaded, predictable, etc. The complaints just weren't as prominent because we were winning Super Bowls.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

heh, BOB without Brady wouldn't have a job as an OC in this league.

The guy s*cks, that right s*cks, at in game adjustments, and to clarify that doesn't mean he doesn't make any it means he makes them too slowly or in some cases the wrong adjustments.

Do you even watch the games, good God I can tell from the formation and player personnel 99.9% of the time if it is a run or pass so what do you think opposing defenses who study this sh*t are doing? And of course I am certain that BB tearing him one on the sideline this past game was simply him telling BOB what a great job he was doing, no?

At least when Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniel were here they changed things up and came up with new formations and were less predictable, this guy is horrible.


As for Gilbride, I am sure he was adjusting all night long but BB was most likely countering. The game is one big chess match and the majority of the time BOB can get away with his poor performance because the Pats O is a dominant O, but then he runs into a superior D and DC and he folds like a cheap suit.

Thanks for the view from the imbecile box.

"The game is one big chess match and the majority of the time BOB can get away with his poor performance because the Pats O is a dominant O..."

Yup, thanks for providing proof brains are not required for this fanbase.

Simple reality

If you don't grasp that effective playcalling and game planning is not absolutely essential for a dominant offense, you are emotionally and intellectually hopeless.

You should thank Ian for not having a positive IQ requirement to participate.

Being on the outside looking in would not be that fun.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Go back three years and this was all being said about Josh McDaniels. Go back another four years and it's being said about Weis. Fast forward three years and it will be said about our next coordinator. The team can be a Super Bowl contender, or they can be contending for the first pick in the draft, and there will always be one constant: the coordinators will always suck.

Actually, it appears the last four scoring drives were completely arbitrary and only happened over the fierce opposition of the OC.

Gilbride is a genius. He made some master adjustments after 11 drives.