Rodney Harrison on Pats troubles

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The oline play are the ones i think are getting not enough scrutiny.

 

[The_Riddler]

If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.

 

[Kontradiction]

If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.

The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.

 

[Betterthanmost]

The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.

If you again, you see that it is not necessarily true. I would have say that they are Brady's prefered player coverage sacks. Look for Welker, Branch and then Gronk. The rest are just decoys really.

 

[Kontradiction]

If you again, you see that it is not necessarily true. I would have say that they are Brady's prefered player coverage sacks. Look for Welker, Branch and then Gronk. The rest are just decoys really.

The rest are decoys because they aren't getting open. Branch has lost a step and the middle of the field is getting flooded with Hernandez dictating some double coverages while recovering from injuries. Again, when the middle gets flooded, the TE's are taken out, and the defense is able to limit Welker, our offense gets bogged down.

 

[sbpatfan]

Honestly, the wide receiver core outside of Welker is absolutely pitiful.

Branch: Old, lost a step, not a full time player anymore. Should be 3/4.
Ochocinco: Waste of space, and money. Terrible production for his cost.
Edelman: Has regressed somehow as a receiver since 2009.
Price: Complete unknown, can't make his way onto the field or stay healthy.

Welker is the only good player there right now.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.

That's just not true... Yesterday he was under pressure and hit and rushed a lot and the coverage made possible by the fact that the Giants were getting pressure rushing 4 was affecting his receivers performance with the exception of Welker...

They started bringing Solder in as a 6th TE/OL for a reason. But when they do that they conversely lose an option out in the pattern which makes coverage more difficult to beat.

 

[BradyManny]

The O-Line is playing fine. The hits and sacks that Brady has taken since the Jets game have, by and large, been coverage sacks.

Not sure I agree with this at all - we've been getting beaten at the line a lot recently, in both the running and passing game. There has just been way too many guys losing one on one battles along our OL. The only guy who hasn't struggled of late, to my eyes, is Brian Waters. Everyone else has been shaky.

And I agree with whoever said that Vollmer has struggled more than Solder. Solder has a propensity to hold, but he got away with it...so nothing wrong with that.

I'll agree the middle of the field is clogged and receivers have a lot to do with it - but I also think there's an awful lot of traffic in the pocket with just 3 or 4 man rushes, lately.

I think Light is still banged up going back to the ankle injury in the Cowboys game on the sneak. Vollmer is rusty. Mankins has let himself get taken out of games with his emotions twice this year, and has had costly false starts. Connolly is just an adequate center who is overpowered at times. That is the state of the line. Mankins, Light & Vollmer will all play better - I cannot say the same for Connolly.

 

[Betterthanmost]

The rest are decoys because they aren't getting open. Branch has lost a step and the middle of the field is getting flooded with Hernandez dictating some double coverages while recovering from injuries. Again, when the middle gets flooded, the TE's are taken out, and the defense is able to limit Welker, our offense gets bogged down.

This is so unfair for Ocho, he was open, he just got absolutely bad throws. I don't know why people are seeing the same thing yet making excuses for Brady.
He is off, has been off for a while now, was seeing ghost again in the first half, he settled down in the second half at least. He starts to duck way to early lately, whatever senses he had are now malfunctioning big time for him to feel pressure when it is not there and for this I blame the OL.
Who do the OL practice against at practice?

 

[Deus Irae]

If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.

Solder hasn't "played great". He's been ok, but he's had some major issues that the rest of the line has had to cover for.

Vollmer's clearly having issues, but Solder's not been the great wall either.

 

[The_Riddler]

Solder hasn't "played great". He's been ok, but he's had some major issues that the rest of the line has had to cover for.

Vollmer's clearly having issues, but Solder's not been the great wall either.

Solder is the better RT right now and I have no idea why he lost a job that he earned with his solid early season performance.

Vollmer, oddly enough, like McCourty seems to be regressing from his early promise, Go Figure ? How does this happen ?

 

[Deus Irae]

Solder is the better RT right now and I have no idea why he lost a job that he earned with his solid early season performance.

Because a healthy Vollmer is much better than a healthy Solder, and BB plans for the post season. You may not like it, but that's his M.O..

Vollmer, oddly enough, like McCourty seems to be regressing from his early promise, Go Figure ? How does this happen ?

Let me beat the hell out of your back and then have you taking on 300+ pound men with bad intent. My guess is that you'll figure out how this happens pretty quickly.

As for McCourty, he's finally gotten his head out of his ass, and he's playing much better. Now, if the other DBs can follow suit, the team may be able to get something done.

 

[condon84]

The rest are decoys because they aren't getting open. Branch has lost a step and the middle of the field is getting flooded with Hernandez dictating some double coverages while recovering from injuries. Again, when the middle gets flooded, the TE's are taken out, and the defense is able to limit Welker, our offense gets bogged down.

This is what I've been noticing as well. The short/intermediate crossing and out routes are getting stuffed because of all the traffic that's going on. We need to send someone deep to create better passing lanes for Brady. We just don't throw the ball deep enough times to make teams respect that part of our game. Branch is not a deep threat, and Ocho for whatever reason, can't get in sync with Brady. To Ocho's defense though, he's been open deep several times this year and Brady has either waited too long to throw giving Ocho's cover guy time to catch up or Brady has underthrown the ball.

 

[skspikex2]

Not sure how vollmer is the cause of the entire line not playing well. Looking the past few games, the left side having difficult time blocking any kind of stunt rush. Light isn't doing well, mankin seem to worry too much about Connelly screwups.

 

[Patspsycho]

This is what I've been noticing as well. The short/intermediate crossing and out routes are getting stuffed because of all the traffic that's going on. We need to send someone deep to create better passing lanes for Brady. We just don't throw the ball deep enough times to make teams respect that part of our game. Branch is not a deep threat, and Ocho for whatever reason, can't get in sync with Brady. To Ocho's defense though, he's been open deep several times this year and Brady has either waited too long to throw giving Ocho's cover guy time to catch up or Brady has underthrown the ball.

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

 

[Fencer]

The new philosophy is to clog and stuff the middle and dare Brady to throw deep, because his accuracy isn't there anymore. This isn't the same Brady from 2007- this is 5 years later and the long-range accuracy has already been eroding for some time now.

This is right up Rex Ryan's alley.

I'm not convinced Brady's long-range accuracy was ever THAT great. One of Moss's virtues was the ability to get to whereever the ball was coming down.

 

[ausbacker]

If you notice, the OLine play starting deteriorating after Vollmer was inserted at RT. Solder has beaten him out of that job and has played great. His play alone during week one against a fully motived Cameron Wake should have signaled to BB that it was his job to lose.

What happens? Vollmer gets healthy, BB removes the better player and the OLine has taken a hit for hit. Vollmer has been getting beaten like rented mule alot.

You can also say the same about the use of the running game once Woodhead and Faulk were injected into the lineup.

I wish they'd just use Green-Ellis for 80% of the RB snaps and use the other 3 sparingly.

 

[JFK]

We played the Giants. Their D-Line makes O-Lines look bad.

 

[futuristicdart]

We played the Giants. Their D-Line makes O-Lines look bad.

Oh that's reassuring. Phew, glad that's the case. Hopefully we don't run in to anymore of those nasty d-lines.

 

[rojo8401]

Waters and Solder have been the only consistent linemen this season. Light, Connolly and Mankins have been erratic and that's being charitable. Connolly has played better than he gets credit for though. When Wendell came in yesterday it was mayhem.

Vollmer has back issues so that's why he's been playing like complete crud. Solder has easily outplayed him at the RT spot but obviously you don't start the rookie at tackle if you can avoid it.

BTW, the last time the Pats had a trio like Waters, Solder and Gronk? Leon Gray, John Hannah and Russ Francis. Time will tell but they pass the eye test and remind me of those players when I watch them.

NOTE:I know Hannah was the best lineman of all time. I don't need a lecture. Solder has the feet to make it to the Hall of Fame is all I'm saying.