Dungy: Draft Luck...Trade Manning if he can still play

[Rusty Coupe]

Taking the long view in this case is very short-sighted. Encouraging a team culture of losing and futility in the interest of capitalizing on that suckage next year only makes the job that much harder for the next administration. Better to make sure the Dolphins (or Colts) kick, bite and scratch for two or three wins this year than lay down and lose them all.

I did a terrible job of making my point, sorry.

When Ross came out and said he wanted a big name coach/czar and a franchise QB, my thought was Dungy and Manning in Miami. Dungy lives in FL already and having control of a franchise might be what he is looking for, that position in Indy is filled for the near future. I'm not saying this is written in stone by any means, but depending on how the draft plays itself out it might not be an impossibility.

 

[TheSolderKing]

I HOPE Miami gets him... why???


b/c our Division is STACKED w/ QB's


Sanchez would be WORST QB in AFCE and NYJ dreams of SB glory will deteriorate like flesh off of a dead corpse.


We have Tom Phucking Brady... the dude will get another contract if he is healthy. Phuck Indy I rather have Miami get him.

 

[patchick]

Manning has been THE Colts franchise for years and should retire with them on his own terms or until he simply can't play any longer. They owe EVERYTHING to that guy, including their Super Bowl win. I could not see the Patriots do anything of the sort with Brady regardless of circumstances; such players simply rise above such considerations.

Wow. A team owes it to an HOF QB to let him play for them as long as he wants, regardless of the team's long-term interests? Does that mean that the 49ers and Packers were wrong to look past Montana and Favre and hand the reins to Young and Rodgers?

 

[RIpats88]

Why not?

He's not saying Mallet is as good as Rodgers. He's talking about the strategy.

Drafting a great college QB. Who has good NFL tools, then letting him learn behind a HOF QB.

exactly, i'm talking about the strategy....teams who plan well end up hardly missing a beat when their HOF QB retires(GB packers, 49rs(montana/young)...the patriots are following that model. how it ends up well have to see

im not sure you want to be the Dolphins miring in mediocrity throwing in rookie QB after QB to find which guy has talent to develop 2-3years down the road, or even the Panthers throwing a great but rookie QB out into the fire basically foregoing a season or 2 as an NFL 101 crash course

Manning still has value as a top QB in the NFL and with the right peices IMO still could win in indy...IMO theres more value for Luck(or any other QB they draft) to sit behind manning and learn...so when he retires they can step in without needing that "learning curve" from college-NFL

 

[patfanken]

I did a terrible job of making my point, sorry.

When Ross came out and said he wanted a big name coach/czar and a franchise QB, my thought was Dungy and Manning in Miami. Dungy lives in FL already and having control of a franchise might be what he is looking for, that position in Indy is filled for the near future. I'm not saying this is written in stone by any means, but depending on how the draft plays itself out it might not be an impossibility.

I don't know about Dungy trying to grab control of the Dolphins' football operations (someone should), that's too conspiratorial for me. However, I do think its well within the realm of possibility, that if Ross doesn't win the "suck for Luck" derby outright, I'd be shocked if he didn't put together the best offer out there to trade for the pick. Of all the current teams leading this dubious race, Miami is the one with the most pressing need for a QB. So if it should happen that a team who already has picked a high end QB gets the pick, they will find a potential buyer who is SURE to overpay for the privilege of trading for the pick

 

[Uncle Rico]

First and foremost is the fact that once or maybe twice a generation comes a player of such ability and iconic stature that he becomes synonymous with his team/organization. Manning has been THE Colts franchise for years and should retire with them on his own terms or until he simply can't play any longer. They owe EVERYTHING to that guy, including their Super Bowl win. I could not see the Patriots do anything of the sort with Brady regardless of circumstances; such players simply rise above such considerations.

Seems to me they pretty much covered any such obligation with the recent contract, under the circumstances.

 

[RJB87]

Mo, contrary to you, I see an LA deal happening quite easily for the 2015 season. Actually a quid pro quo for everyone involved. At that point Bs rady would be 38, and maybe have a couple of decent seasons left in him.....maybe. Business wise there will be nothing more for him to do in NE. By going to the west coast and becoming the face of the new LA franchise, Brady would sell a lot of tickets in the 2nd largest market in the league, and the league would reward that bit of marketing support by making sure the Pats were rewarded with plenty of draft picks in compensation.

Meanwhile Brady would play out the last 2 years of his career in the sunshine of SoCal, while the Pats keep rolling along with a very effective, if lesser QB, running a team that will continue to be very competitive well past MY expiration date. Maybe even a team that will be known for its fierce pass rush

Lol you're crazy man.

 

[upstater1]

I don't know Mo, I think I'm going to have to disagree, though I'll acknowledge ahead of time that there is no good answer here.

If the reports are true that Luck truly IS that once in a generation NFL ready QB, then why not. Right now the Colts are on the decline. Most of their best players are on the downside, and recently they've been horrible in the draft. Time to rebuild their infrastructure..

Why not trade Manning to a team needing "just one more player" for 3 high picks. When you do the numbers what are you losing. Sure he's the 2nd best....now 3rd best QB on the planet, but even if healthy (and that's not an easy guess with a nerve injury), how many more productive years does he have 2....3. So if you are Polian, you are trading at MOST 3 good years of Manning for 15 with Luck....PLUS all the draft picks to surround him with the players he is going to need.....PLUS now you have much more cap room to add quality FAs

I'd do it in a second. The problem is WHO would be willing to give up at LEAST 2 #1s plus other picks AND take on a $20MM cap hit.....even for Peyton Manning? THAT's the reason a deal won't get done....if the Colts wind up with the worst record.

Imagine Manning on Baltimore or Dallas.

 

[lurker1965]

Mo, contrary to you, I see an LA deal happening quite easily for the 2015 season. Actually a quid pro quo for everyone involved. At that point Bs rady would be 38, and maybe have a couple of decent seasons left in him.....maybe. Business wise there will be nothing more for him to do in NE. By going to the west coast and becoming the face of the new LA franchise, Brady would sell a lot of tickets in the 2nd largest market in the league, and the league would reward that bit of marketing support by making sure the Pats were rewarded with plenty of draft picks in compensation.

Meanwhile Brady would play out the last 2 years of his career in the sunshine of SoCal, while the Pats keep rolling along with a very effective, if lesser QB, running a team that will continue to be very competitive well past MY expiration date. Maybe even a team that will be known for its fierce pass rush

Pat fan Ken,
Sorry to disappoint you but look at the economics.

Look at any random collection of Patriot fans wearing jerseys. There will be a smattering of Welker, Woodhead, Gronkowski*, etc. jerseys. But the majority will be #12.

I'm not talking people who know there are two Ventrone's. I'm talking Patriot pink hats who can't name a single lineman.

Yes, I agree. Screw 'em. My $80 for a Dan Gronkowski jersey will not make up for the 100 disappointed pink hats not spending $80 on a Brady red jersey.

 

[patchick]

Imagine Manning on Baltimore or Dallas.

Dallas is SO easy to picture. Jerry is a guy who would fork over picks and $$. But, as mentioned above, Manning's contract isn't structured to permit a trade without his agreeing to restructure...and why would he if he could just sit tight and either collect a massive option bonus or become a UFA?

 

[JoeSixPat]

There's far to many "If's" for Dungy or anyone else to be making any declarations at this point

The first thing to determine is how Manning's health and ongoing ability is - that's going to be the biggest factor

Depending on how that works out the Colts determine if they, or another team, is willing to pick up the February option

The next thing is to see how the draft shakes out, not to mention Luck's health through this season

Perhaps they decide to keep Manning as insurance, if his health and skills are good enough, while they take time to focus in the offseason as possible to see what they really have with Luck, as well

Sure they'd have missed the opportunity to trade Manning for a 2012 pick but they can always gain future picks

So there's a lot that needs to shake out first

 

[NEPatriot]

More wisdom from the clown who always insisted Manning was the GOAT and predicted Manning would start this season unless he was dead. Such loyalty to the guy who saved his HC career and got a glorified DC a ring and all those book deals and a gig on SNF. No wonder the Colts are always tossing each other under busses... It starts from the top (Polian - Ursay's actually almost loyal to a fault after being raised by a drunk who had none) and filters straight down. Manning is worth more to that franchise retired than Luck might ever prove to be in his lifetime.

Colts | Tony Dungy says team should pursue Andrew Luck - NFL Hot off the Wire

Having won a SB ring as both a player and a coach, I woulndt refer to Dungy as a clown. But that's me.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Imagine if someone trades their entire draft for the right to select Luck.

Remember what happened the last time that happened ...

 

[IcyPatriot]

Imagine if someone trades their entire draft for the right to select Luck.

Remember what happened the last time that happened ...

 

[patsfanboy]

I hope not, if they trade Manning, i feel like the our rivalry will die out.

 

[nabwong]

I don't see the problem of the colts drafting Luck AND keep Manning. Cam Newton only got 4 years 22m. There's a rookie cap now. Keep Manning for 1 year to stabilize the franchise and teach Luck. Then trade Manning to Seattle for 3 1st rounders.

No one even knows if Luck will declare.

BTW, in the 1983 draft, Elway went #1. He was from stanford, just like Luck. The interesting thing is, Dungy (who was one of the steelers coaches) said they passed on Dan Marino, who went to the fish at 27, in favor of the aging Bradshaw. Imagine what would have been for the steelers if they had picked Marino. Also, Bills picked Kelly at 14 and Patriots picked QB Tony Eason at 15. We also had a chance at Marino.

Franchise QBs are hard to come by. If you have a chance to get one, you take it. The Mallett pick is great insurance for the next decade if he blossoms.

Btw, Russell Wilson is pretty good too but Luck has taken all the media attention.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

This really is the best case for the Colts as a team. Unload an $18 million a year contract, get this coveted QB, trade Manning for some picks to build around for the new kid.

Just a quick point I want to make: The last time there was a QB coming out of college that went #1 overall, with a last name that started with the letter "L" and was 4 letters long it didn't work out too well. But the QB that was taken after him worked out pretty darn well.

he actually went 2. manning went 1.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

How about this....

NBC ..trade Tony Dungy to ESPN for Bruschi and send him over to NBC

Harrison and Bruschi would be great,let ESPN have that egghead a-hole

 

[randomk1]

Well...Luck would be the only way for the Colts to continue their run of success.

You either trade Manning or keep him as an excellent mentor for the young guy.

btw...if there are two teams with the similar record? Let's say 0-16. Who get's the pick? A coin flip?

 

[Triumph]

Having won a SB ring as both a player and a coach, I woulndt refer to Dungy as a clown. But that's me.

I dont think Dungy is a Clown.

He said the Colts could look at the possibility of trading Manning. Dungy never said they should or that he would assuming the Colts land Luck.

None of us have seen Mannings contract either.