The Greatess of Gronk

[BradyMossWelker]

of course you would, because he is shown on highlights more

lets just ignore that welker is number 1 in yards, Calvin isnt even 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th...Welker is number one in catches, Calvin falls all the way down to 8th..

but back to the point

Gronk is the best TE in the nfl

Calvin Johnson is constantly doubled and sometimes tripled teamed, he doesn't have Brady throwing to him.
How could someone argue that Megatron isn't the best reciever in the league is ridiculous. And you're basing on stats, does that mean you also think Rodgers is better than Brady? Or is it a different story for QB's because Brady is a Patriot?

I love Wes, he's great at what he does, but not quite at the level of Calvin Johnson.

With that said, I don't think Gronk is the best TE in the league YET.

People here at Patsfans seem to overreact when a player has a good season.

In some poster opinions we have the best QB, the best WR, the best TE, the best #2 TE, the best OG, the best OG tandem, the best OT tandem, a top 10 RB, a top 3 linebacker, a top 3 CB(people last year said he was just behind Revis and Aso), a top 3 DL, a future top 5 DL again(AH), the best coach, the best drafter, the best OLine coach... ... ...
Now, I'm not saying most of these are false, they aren't but you can't forget how deep this league is, there some great players out there, and a ton of underated players.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

This thread is mistitled.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

After the past two weeks I am ready to call Gronk the best TE in the NFL. His contributions in the passing game are well known, but his work in the run game has been amongst the best in the league as well. What really gets my attention though is his versatility. I don't think there's been such a blend of skills at his position at such a high level.

In the passing game he presents an amazing combination of skills. Sure, he has nice deep speed and can break a cover-2. Sure, he's a big target that can win with body positioning and presents a tremendous catch radius. Sure, he's strong enough to break jams and tackles, even dragging players for a ride ala the one kid who has hit puberty in Pop Warner. What really amazes me, though is his ability to cut. He is so explosive he can run out cuts against man coverage and get open. He can separate on posts. They can run jerk routes with a TE. He has the skill set of a receiving tight end in a 6'6 270 pound frame. That doesn't happen. Teams have doubled and even tripled him. When was the last time you heard of a tight end requiring a triple in the passing game?!?!

In the blocking game he can contribute in all four areas. He has the feet and length to pass block on the outside, the strength and explosion to drive a man off the ball, the quickness and vision to pull, and the linear acceleration to crack and run wham plays. He does tackle, tight end, and fullback all at an extremely high level.

What the creates is the most versatile offensive chip in the NFL. Just by having Gronk in the game, it opens the potential of the playbook exponentially. Defensive coordinators will have a much lesser tell off of personnel sets. The probability of guessing wrong significantly appreciates. Lately the talk has been on the backs, Welker, and the new 3/5ths of the line, but the real key cog in the machine has been Gronk. He has hall of fame potential and I think that should carry significant weight when discussing both this offense and Belichick's often (mistakenly) maligned drafting practices.

Great writeup. :rocker:

But you missed washing a spot on Gronk's left testicle.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The Patriots traded for Calvin Johnson?

You are a bad, bad person!

 

[Its_The_Patriots]

This thread is mistitled.

It sure seems that way. lol

 

[Sivy]

Calvin Johnson is constantly doubled and sometimes tripled teamed, he doesn't have Brady throwing to him.
How could someone argue that Megatron isn't the best reciever in the league is ridiculous. And you're basing on stats, does that mean you also think Rodgers is better than Brady? Or is it a different story for QB's because Brady is a Patriot?

I love Wes, he's great at what he does, but not quite at the level of Calvin Johnson.

With that said, I don't think Gronk is the best TE in the league YET.

People here at Patsfans seem to overreact when a player has a good season.

In some poster opinions we have the best QB, the best WR, the best TE, the best #2 TE, the best OG, the best OG tandem, the best OT tandem, a top 10 RB, a top 3 linebacker, a top 3 CB(people last year said he was just behind Revis and Aso), a top 3 DL, a future top 5 DL again(AH), the best coach, the best drafter, the best OLine coach... ... ...
Now, I'm not saying most of these are false, they aren't but you can't forget how deep this league is, there some great players out there, and a ton of underated players.

wrong
wrong
and wrong.

 

[RIpats88]

With that said, I don't think Gronk is the best TE in the league YET.

People here at Patsfans seem to overreact when a player has a good season.

Hes probably not the best TE in the league "yet" but you cant say fans are "overreacting because he had a good season"

if you look at this season as well so far, Gronkowski is having arguably an even better season and is almost unstoppable out there. the only thing that might cut into his stats is that the patriots have another dynamic TE in Aaron Hernandez...these guys IMO make up one of the best TE tandems in the league

its kind of funny to hear some posters on patsfans harp on Belichicks drafting when we nabbed 2 studs at TE which have changed the dynamic of the pats offense in 2010

 

[Fencer]

It's a reasonable case.

If Gronk is close to the best TE in the league as a receiver and also close to the best as a blocker (at least among the serious receivers), who then is better overall?

 

[NEGoldenAge]

I agree with the OP, Gronk is the most complete TE in football. He is also one tough SOB and makes excellent pancakes. The amazing thing is that he is only 21!?!?! If he stays healthy, he will become a legend.

 

[Dufflebagz]

I also think it's WAY too early to place Gronk anywhere among the elite tight ends until he puts a full second season under his belt. There are many great tight ends in the league right now so calling Gronk the best TE already is as ridiculous as saying Welker is the best WR.

You're joking, right?

Last season, Gronk was in the top 10 in receptions and yards for a TE. He also led all TE's with 10 TD's....as a rookie!

This season, he leads all TE's in receptions, yards, and TD's.

Did I mention he has done all this while being on the same team as Aaron Hernandez (who also shows up in the top ten in some a few categories)

If you don't want to call him the best, I'll listen, but to say he isn't an elite TE because he's only in his 2nd season is just ridiculous.

 

[BradyMossWelker]

wrong
wrong
and wrong.

I know, you're the best.

Welker is almost as good as you, not quite, but is still good enough to be the best WR in the league.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If Gronk hadn't hurt his back in his final year of college, where would he have been drafted? Top 10? That seemed to be the narrative at the time, and was why I liked the pick. He's certainly validated it with his performance since then.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I think Gronk and Hernandez are the best duo in the league by far and the best since the mid 90s when the Packers had Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura...those 2 guys were unstoppable.

 

[Sivy]

I know, you're the best.

Welker is almost as good as you, not quite, but is still good enough to be the best WR in the league.

Its close, Welker is faster can read a D, and has more experience than me. But I have great hands so i might be slightly better in that area..

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think Gronk and Hernandez are the best duo in the league by far and the best since the mid 90s when the Packers had Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura...those 2 guys were unstoppable.

Football Outsiders ranked them 2 and 5 overall among TEs last year, and 3 and 7 on a per-play basis alone solely for their receiving efforts.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

My daughter just came to visit with a friend wearing a Plowboys hoodie. Asked him why he was wearing toilet paper.... LOL
He went on and on about Witten, and how he was gonna have this and that on Sunday. I asked him, "how effective was Dustin Keller last Sunday?" He averted his eyes and mumbled.
I then showed him some video clips of Gronk and Hernandez.
Then I passed him the kleenex.

 

[JackBauer]

Just wanted to chime in and say: post more often, please.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

My daughter just came to visit with a friend wearing a Plowboys hoodie. Asked him why he was wearing toilet paper.... LOL
He went on and on about Witten, and how he was gonna have this and that on Sunday. I asked him, "how effective was Dustin Keller last Sunday?" He averted his eyes and mumbled.
I then showed him some video clips of Gronk and Hernandez.
Then I passed him the kleenex.

PWP said it perfectly:

You are a bad, bad person!

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

PWP said it perfectly:

I could be wrong, but is that the same PWP as from the Google message boards of the late 1990's?
If so, I'll take that compliment any day.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I could be wrong, but is that the same PWP as from the Google message boards of the late 1990's?
If so, I'll take that compliment any day.

I'm talking about PatsWickedPissah's comment in this thread.