Did BOB/BB learn from the January loss (re: BJGE)?

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

What sadly disappointed me in the playoff loss to the Jets was how the Pats abandoned their successful use of personnel to keep defenses off balance that they started in earnest in the Pittsburgh game to kick off the winning streak. In particular, I couldn't understand how BJGE would come in for one play, then immediately leave for Woodhead. As good as Woodhead is, BJGE's presence is the key to keeping the D honest from overplaying the pass. BJGE's face was on a milk carton by the end of that game.

Yesterday the Pats followed a gameplan that was the one I *thought* they were going to use in January: Keep BJGE on the field, run the ball at the Jets to keep the D guessing and allow Brady to capitalize on that uncertainty.

This is two weeks in a row the Pats appear back to doing what worked outstanding during the 2nd half of 2010. I hope they continue this going forward and particularly into the postseason.

Regards,
Chris

 

[TheSolderKing]

possibly. BB did know the JESTS run D sucked... and if he could establish a pass and or run the other element becomes that much more effective. I believe BB schemed this b/c #'s showed the lackluster JETS Run D and BB was confident TFB would be solid even in a situation w/ limited throws. We had a very excellent balanced attack that QUASHED the JETS statistically. Our Turnover and our spotty situations to score TD's instead of FG's on long drives hurt us as well.


BB leaned towards a heavier running game than usual b/c Rex refused to let TFB beat him and left sooo many DB's dpwn field in pass protection. A Great Plan and a GREAT VICTORY

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What sadly disappointed me in the playoff loss to the Jets was how the Pats abandoned their successful use of personnel to keep defenses off balance that they started in earnest in the Pittsburgh game to kick off the winning streak. In particular, I couldn't understand how BJGE would come in for one play, then immediately leave for Woodhead. As good as Woodhead is, BJGE's presence is the key to keeping the D honest from overplaying the pass. BJGE's face was on a milk carton by the end of that game.

Yesterday the Pats followed a gameplan that was the one I *thought* they were going to use in January: Keep BJGE on the field, run the ball at the Jets to keep the D guessing and allow Brady to capitalize on that uncertainty.

This is two weeks in a row the Pats appear back to doing what worked outstanding during the 2nd half of 2010. I hope they continue this going forward and particularly into the postseason.

Regards,
Chris

Sometimes it's a good sign when the Patriots don't come blowing up the scoreboard. They ran the ball on first and second down on their first series (after the initial first down to Welker), and despite not being effective, at least they stuck to their plan.

Back in the good old days, they would gladly play for field position and let their defense win games. They aren't there yet, but the defense certainly needs to be given that challenge, rather than constantly playing with a 10-point cushion and then panicking when the other team roars back.

 

[Patspsycho]

What sadly disappointed me in the playoff loss to the Jets was how the Pats abandoned their successful use of personnel to keep defenses off balance that they started in earnest in the Pittsburgh game to kick off the winning streak. In particular, I couldn't understand how BJGE would come in for one play, then immediately leave for Woodhead. As good as Woodhead is, BJGE's presence is the key to keeping the D honest from overplaying the pass. BJGE's face was on a milk carton by the end of that game.

Yesterday the Pats followed a gameplan that was the one I *thought* they were going to use in January: Keep BJGE on the field, run the ball at the Jets to keep the D guessing and allow Brady to capitalize on that uncertainty.

This is two weeks in a row the Pats appear back to doing what worked outstanding during the 2nd half of 2010. I hope they continue this going forward and particularly into the postseason.

Regards,
Chris

I really don't think our last playoff game had anything to do with BJGE or the run game. That game was clearly lost before it was ever played. In the days leading up to the game, there were many clues that Ryan had elected to go with nickel, dime, and even quarter coverage, both in the way he talked and in the personnel transactions leading up to the day of the game, and finally on the inactives declared for that game which had zero DB's on it.

Also we had practiced for man to man all week and Ryan came out in zone with the specific intent to clog up the middle. He threw a lot of man looks that were actually zone when all was said and done. Ryan also mixed in just enough man coverage to keep Brady off balance, and to top it off all, those man coverages had pre-snap zone looks, and that just threw Brady's game off.

Put plain and simple, BB was outcoached. BB elected to go with the pass game and Ryan correctly guessed that this would be so.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I think part of it is that this is a different Jets team than the one we played in January, and it's a different Pats team as well. Our offensive line is better than it was then (thank you, Brian Waters). Their run defense is worse (no Bryan Thomas), and we played the entire game with a lead, so we could more easily dictate the pace of the game.

"March down the field until they're forced to respect the run, then let Brady dissect them once they do" will always be a winning game plan if we're able to execute it.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Let's hope so. No matter how good your QB/passing game is, it will be contained one day. And if you don't have an option to turn to or if you are not confident enough to turn somewhere else, you're screwed. The playcallers will have to put some confidence in BJGE and Ridley in January even if it means a less flashy/explosive offense.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What sadly disappointed me in the playoff loss to the Jets was how the Pats abandoned their successful use of personnel to keep defenses off balance that they started in earnest in the Pittsburgh game to kick off the winning streak. In particular, I couldn't understand how BJGE would come in for one play, then immediately leave for Woodhead. As good as Woodhead is, BJGE's presence is the key to keeping the D honest from overplaying the pass. BJGE's face was on a milk carton by the end of that game.

Yesterday the Pats followed a gameplan that was the one I *thought* they were going to use in January: Keep BJGE on the field, run the ball at the Jets to keep the D guessing and allow Brady to capitalize on that uncertainty.

This is two weeks in a row the Pats appear back to doing what worked outstanding during the 2nd half of 2010. I hope they continue this going forward and particularly into the postseason.

Regards,
Chris

I hope so too.

Watch several plays as Brady either calls out to guys to go out further or move in tighter. Having 2 TEs who can block AND are pass catching threats with north south BJGE in the backfield allows Brady to run a hurry up where the Jets have 5-6 DBs on the field and the Pats run, or when the Jets have the run stoppers on the field pass to the wideouts or TEs, whom ever is open.

 

[Patstopia]

When we drafted two running backs I was hoping we would go with the a tougher 'stop us if you can' offense. The team needs to get all the pressure off of Brady's shoulders and onto the entire offense. For me, I am sick to death of records. I would trade all of it for a super bowl.

 

[RayClay]

Establishing a balanced attack is always an advantage, but i think the recovered Welker had as much to do with it as anyone. The coverage he drew allowed Branch and the tight ends some room. Props to BJ for running hard.

 

[italia44]

Establishing a balanced attack is always an advantage, but i think the recovered Welker had as much to do with it as anyone. The coverage he drew allowed Branch and the tight ends some room. Props to BJ for running hard.

In case everyone has forgotten.......also Brady being able to move without a broken foot:rocker:

 

[kkpat]

Another point ...

We all think Rex is an idiot giving away his game plan and strategies or motivating Brady's crew.

Rex knows that Brady can burn him with or without motivation. He wanted to insult Brady and force BB to let Brady to destroy him. He came out with an insult mainly aimed at Brady when he attended some play in NY that week. Rex commented that Manning would not do that. He was feeding Brady's ego. On top of it, the idiotic Boston mediots were magnifying this so much to make Brady/BB more angrier. Rex knows that a lot of Boston mediots are too stupid or hate BB. He used them cleverly to throw Brady and crew off with his sly remarks. Coming off 45-3 victory, PATS thought they can roll over the Jets. When our initial game failed, we panicked attempting fake punt, Brady getting very impatient. We got creamed.

I think BB/Brady got the message. Brady simply skipped off the press meet when a stupid, dorky reporter brought up CraomtieAHole's abuses. The plan is to rile Brady up and see if they can make him angry and become a single man fighting all the JETS.

When Brady burned CromAHole for Branch's TD and BJGE ran 14 yards in the final minutes with CromAHole backing off is the best form of revenge. No need to allow their insults into our heads and decide game strategies on that basis.

Another Jets trick which even our loser mediots never get tired of repeating... BB is 2-3 against Ryan. His era is over. Rex is in Brady's head. What a piece of ****ty reporters Boston has. They want to destroy our own team and help JETS.

 

[upstater1]

For me, the better question is, did they UNLEARN from the 45-3 victory?

They came into the game totally overconfident that the offense could trample the Jets D, and on the first few series they did. Unfortunately, a Crumpler drop in the end zone. The Chung booboo. And suddenly, they were left wondering what in the world was going on. They came in overconfident from 45-3.

 

[reflexblue]

What sadly disappointed me in the playoff loss to the Jets was how the Pats abandoned their successful use of personnel to keep defenses off balance that they started in earnest in the Pittsburgh game to kick off the winning streak. In particular, I couldn't understand how BJGE would come in for one play, then immediately leave for Woodhead. As good as Woodhead is, BJGE's presence is the key to keeping the D honest from overplaying the pass. BJGE's face was on a milk carton by the end of that game.

Yesterday the Pats followed a gameplan that was the one I *thought* they were going to use in January: Keep BJGE on the field, run the ball at the Jets to keep the D guessing and allow Brady to capitalize on that uncertainty.

This is two weeks in a row the Pats appear back to doing what worked outstanding during the 2nd half of 2010. I hope they continue this going forward and particularly into the postseason.

Regards,
Chris

+1 BOB was on a roll in the second half of '10 only to abandon the balance attack in that disgusting loss to the rats in January. I still haven't gotten over that game, it was embarrassing. All that work getting the number one seed only to flush it down the toilet by abandoning what got them there.
Up until last week i didn't think he had learned, its Two weeks in a row that hes called a good game. The only caviat is hes gone back to being one dimensional before. So i hope hes learned his lesson, even if the running game isn't producing yardage just the threat of it keeps the other team off balance and sets up Play Action.

 

[AzPatsFan]

You have to remember that injuries changed the equation at the end of 2010. We lost a great pulling Guard for the season when Stephen Neal went down late in the season.

Without the horses up front, you can't run. Connolly came in but he was not then the Connolly of today. He had little experience and could not be the drive blocker and pulling Guard that Neal was,with so little experience.

BB had to try to adjust and Wrecks caught him trying to do so, with a gameplan that worked in those circumstances. I don't think we could be running like we have in the past two weeks, with out a Brain Waters. Why do you think that BB drafted a Tackle with his First rounder, in Solder? Why did he gamble on Marcus Cannon,a guy with Cancer?

Connolly tries hard and is playing the best position for him, where he is NOT undersized, or underpowered, at Center.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

+1 BOB was on a roll in the second half of '10 only to abandon the balance attack in that disgusting loss to the rats in January. I still haven't gotten over that game, it was embarrassing. All that work getting the number one seed only to flush it down the toilet by abandoning what got them there.
Up until last week i didn't think he had learned, its Two weeks in a row that hes called a good game. The only caviat is hes gone back to being one dimensional before. So i hope hes learned his lesson, even if the running game isn't producing yardage just the threat of it keeps the other team off balance and sets up Play Action.

I hope so too, this is the final leap that BOB needs to make IMO. He made a huge leap from '09-'10 inserting more creativity/balance/unpredictability in this offense that helped solve our 2nd half struggles. This year he needs to fix the playoff issue of hanging Brady out to dry by failing to run.

 

[letekro]

Put plain and simple, BB was outcoached. BB elected to go with the pass game and Ryan correctly guessed that this would be so.

This is what BB did to Martz in SB 36. It's all in the execution though, and the Jets execution was fantastic, while ahem Brady and ahem Crumpler made critical errors. I'm not convinced that Sunday's game plan would have won the day in the playoffs last year. The upgraded offensive line, Hernandez's emergence, and Welker's reemergence make this year's offense far more formidable and difficult to defend than last year's.

 

[Shelterdog]

I think part of it is that this is a different Jets team than the one we played in January, and it's a different Pats team as well. Our offensive line is better than it was then (thank you, Brian Waters). Their run defense is worse (no Bryan Thomas), and we played the entire game with a lead, so we could more easily dictate the pace of the game.

No Bryan Thomas, no Shaun Ellis, and Bart Scott has gotten old fast-I think he might be hurt.

 

[QB12]

Someone, maybe Michael Lombardi, put it well. In the playoffs, you need more than one way to win on offense. The more things you do well, the more ways you have to win, the more successful you'll be in the playoffs.