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Can we expect the Pats to spend the Balance of the Salary cap (6.4 M or so) before next Sunday at 4pm?
Any guesses where?
TBC?,Seau?,Graham?,Samuel?,Ted Johnson?,C Scott?,Izzo?
If we sign T Johnson in the Playoffs it shouldn't hit the Salary Cap correct?
Thanks
(Or anyone who is reasonably certain)
Can we expect the Pats to spend the Balance of the Salary cap (6.4 M or so) before next Sunday at 4pm?
Any guesses where?
TBC?,Seau?,Graham?,Samuel?,Ted Johnson?,C Scott?,Izzo?
If we sign T Johnson in the Playoffs it shouldn't hit the Salary Cap correct?
Thanks
They can add players as they do all year..exacyly the same..Some more questions, how do rosters work in the playoffs?
If someone goes on IR can additional players be added? or do you set a 53 man roster and that is the pool of players who can become active?
P.s. Maybe it is knee jerk but if the Pats end the season with significant, >$4 Million, in unspent cap space I will be pissed.
Why? Since when does spending more money guarantee success?
The 2005 Patriots were $38,000 under the cap.
The 2004 Patriots were $1,330,000 under the cap.
Were you "pissed" at the 2004 Patriots more?
Why is there some stupid magic number of $4,000,000 under that suddenly makes you "pissed?" That's pathetic.
And if the Pats didn't alter contracts for the sake of making fans feel better with a 3% difference in their cap number, why fret? Would you really trust your judgment of the situation over that of Pioli or Belichick?
A 3% increase in a cap number won't win a championship. But a 3% better performance-per-cost increase on every player on that cap number will.
There is nothing that *guarantees* success, so your point is meaningless. But spending all your available money wisely greatly increases your chances of success, which is all we as fans can ask for.Why? Since when does spending more money guarantee success?
The 2004 Patriots were $1,330,000 under the cap.
(Or anyone who is reasonably certain)
Can we expect the Pats to spend the Balance of the Salary cap (6.4 M or so) before next Sunday at 4pm?
Any guesses where?
TBC?,Seau?,Graham?,Samuel?,Ted Johnson?,C Scott?,Izzo?
* I don't think we can "expect" anything to happen. If it happens it happens. I would guess BBioli would like to spend some getting guys extended, but it's not just up to them. The player has to agree to the deal.
I'd like to see it happen myself, but I won't call it 'expecting' it.
There is nothing that *guarantees* success, so your point is meaningless. But spending all your available money wisely greatly increases your chances of success, which is all we as fans can ask for.
alamo said:Wrong. They spent every penny available. They were 3M *OVER* the cap after NLTBE incentives which were paid out were calculated in. The 2005 salary cap was 85.5M for most teams, the Pats' adjusted cap (according to Miguel) was 82,591,805. 2004 NLTBE incentives earned were first charged against whatever room was left on the 2004 cap and the rest was charged against 2005, to the tune of just under 3M.
alamo said:I too will be upset if the Patriots don't use almost all their available space... but it's fine with me if they do so by using a LTBE accounting maneuver to move that cap space forward to next year. Then they can spend it wisely on value rather than on their limited choices for this year.
alamo said:If they simply let cap room expire completely unused, though, they are opting to keep the money rather than spending it on players, and that is a clear signal that the ownership's commitment to winning as #1 priority has changed. And that would be disturbing.
alamo said:But I don't think that will happen.
YES!!!!!! If they don't spend all their money, Kraft is cheap.Why? Since when does spending more money guarantee success?
The 2005 Patriots were $38,000 under the cap.
The 2004 Patriots were $1,330,000 under the cap.
Were you "pissed" at the 2004 Patriots more?
So when did we change from being a bunch of guys with beer and hot dogs cheering three yards and a cloud of dust, to a bunch of quiche-eating auditor-pansies?I too will be upset if the Patriots don't use almost all their available space...
If they simply let cap room expire completely unused, though, they are opting to keep the money rather than spending it on players, and that is a clear signal that the ownership's commitment to winning as #1 priority has changed. And that would be disturbing.
Can not happen.... I don't understand when the Cap is gone..but I think it is in the new year NOT now...any moves have to be reflected somewhere..as long as teams are playing..is the last day for money to count against this years cap the last day of regular season?
what about a playoff team that makes roster moves after the end; are those cost-free? I don't think so. If they were then theoretically if Dallas is knocked out of playoff and cut TO; someone else could pick him up just for the remaining playoff games.
is the last day for money to count against this years cap the last day of regular season?
what about a playoff team that makes roster moves after the end; are those cost-free? I don't think so. If they were then theoretically if Dallas is knocked out of playoff and cut TO; someone else could pick him up just for the remaining playoff games.
Why? Since when does spending more money guarantee success?
The 2005 Patriots were $38,000 under the cap.
The 2004 Patriots were $1,330,000 under the cap.
Were you "pissed" at the 2004 Patriots more?
Why is there some stupid magic number of $4,000,000 under that suddenly makes you "pissed?" That's pathetic.
And if the Pats didn't alter contracts for the sake of making fans feel better with a 3% difference in their cap number, why fret? Would you really trust your judgment of the situation over that of Pioli or Belichick?
A 3% increase in a cap number won't win a championship. But a 3% better performance-per-cost increase on every player on that cap number will.
Also keep in mind that any impact player signed would have a long-term deal, and thus the cap ramifications would extend out of 2006. That would leave, say, a couple of Heath Evans-type deals to use the rest of the space. Would such moves make a difference?
YES!!!!!! If they don't spend all their money, Kraft is cheap.
Oh, sorry. For a minute I thought I was Mikey.
You must add that to your signature! :rocker:So when did we change from being a bunch of guys with beer and hot dogs cheering three yards and a cloud of dust, to a bunch of quiche-eating auditor-pansies?
They are cost-free to the team, yes. And if Dallas cuts TO, then yes, someone could pick him up off of waivers, use him for the playoffs, and cut him again. All players get the same amount per game for the playoffs, contracts don't matter.is the last day for money to count against this years cap the last day of regular season?
what about a playoff team that makes roster moves after the end; are those cost-free? I don't think so. If they were then theoretically if Dallas is knocked out of playoff and cut TO; someone else could pick him up just for the remaining playoff games.
So when did we change from being a bunch of guys with beer and hot dogs cheering three yards and a cloud of dust, to a bunch of quiche-eating auditor-pansies?
Technically, sure. "Death and taxes..."
However, "wisely" is the key word. A team that uses less cap room but gets more value out of it will have more success than a team that uses more cap room but gets less value out of it. (See: Redskins, Washington)
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Strange how you denied my point there but eventually came back to saying something that was consistent with it. My original point was that vthe Pats didn't let 1.3M expire in 2004, they didn't spend to the stated limit because they knew they would be hit with lost of incentives and would end up spending to the limit anyway. They knew early in 2004 that they would get slammed with incentives, since most of the incentive money was paid to Dillon and it was clear early on he was having a monster season. How's that for wise spedning? They didn't just wake up one day in 2005 and realize they had actually used all their cap space the previous year even though they thought they didn't, they knew.Sure, you can always add the earned NLTBE's back into the equation, but that has nothing to do with a team "wisely spending." It's a player's performance after the fact. Although, in a sense, it's a good gauge of value. More NLTBE's achieved means the player is living up to or exceeding the value of his contract. So if 2004 had more achieved NLTBE's than 2005, I wouldn't be surprised.
Yes, they are different, but you act like they are completely unrelated. Here's two facts: what you pay players ends up counting against the cap, some year or other. Secondly, if you let cap space expire unused you can never spend as much money on players in total over the time you own the team as you would have been able to had you spent it or rolled it forward to the next year. I want the Patriots to have the maximum amount available to spend on players when they see value.It has nothing to do with ownership spending money. What ownership actually spends and what counts against the cap are two completely different things.