Andre Carter: "The Pass Rush Is Almost There"

[ALP]

man do i hope he's right


i just dont see it though

but this defense with a pass rush would be awesome, and championship worthy

 

[RayClay]

I'm just saying,how long will this current defense take to 'gel' into a decent one,if ever?

Will it take 2 weeks,maybe 3...maybe a month?,Longer?.....the season is young but can get scary if they don't come together before too long.

I don't know and still don't understand your question. I hope they beat the Raiders, that's all we can control this week.

I guess the answer would have been, in the past, who knows if you're a Lions fan in any phase of the game.

Likely in time for the playoffs, for any phase of the game, if you're a Patriots fan.

I feel we have plenty of talent on the line and line backing and i think our coach is pretty good defensively. I'm actually concerned about safety, since i'm not sure we have adequate talent.

Either way, we need to get it done defensively as a team, there is no magic pass rush when other elements re unhealthy or uneffective.

 

[Boston Tim]

New base defense, haven't had the same personnel on the field, including Haynesworth Wright and Pryor.

Worry about the defense learning where to lineup at this point, sacks will come when the defense gels.

Umm...they're running a vanilla defense, from a standard 1-gap 4-3 formation that most of these guys have played within since high school. We're not talking about the crazy schemes from the days of 03 and 04. You've heard it from their own mouths..."my job is just to kill the QB" and stuff like that.

I just don't but the argument that they need time to gel, unless you're saying they're applying something slippery to their jerseys right before kickoff...

 

[larryo]

Maybe he means he is actually going to start running after the qb when in pursuit. Twice I've seen him jogging while the qb runs away from him.

 

[RayClay]

Umm...they're running a vanilla defense, from a standard 1-gap 4-3 formation that most of these guys have played within since high school. We're not talking about the crazy schemes from the days of 03 and 04. You've heard it from their own mouths..."my job is just to kill the QB" and stuff like that.

I just don't but the argument that they need time to gel, unless you're saying they're applying something slippery to their jerseys right before kickoff...

Defensive players play much, much better when they've played together for a while. It isn't rocket surgery.

 

[Deus Irae]

Defensive players play much, much better when they've played together for a while. It isn't rocket surgery.

Pass rushers don't need chemistry to beat their man one-on-one or run basic stunts.


That's not "rocket surgery", either.

 

[RayClay]

Pass rushers don't need chemistry to beat their man one-on-one or run basic stunts.


That's not "rocket surgery", either.

It helps to be one on one, though. Kind of depends on what's going on elsewhere.

The patriots in their best pass rushing days rarely got sacks from beating guys one on one...McGinest, once in a while.

Still much more concerned with the safeties, though from what i've seen they could blitz them every play and not give up much, since they don't know what they're doing anyway.

 

[Deus Irae]

It helps to be one on one, though. Kind of depends on what's going on elsewhere.

The patriots in their best pass rushing days rarely got sacks from beating guys one on one, McGinest, once in a while.

Still much more concerned with the safeties, though from what i've seen they could blitz them every play and not give up much, since they don't know what they're doing anyway.

I hear what you're saying. I just don't think the issue is all about a failure to gel. There are problems beyond that, on all 3 levels of the defense.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Yeah, yeah......... we almost won sunday too Carter.

In fairness. Fitzpatrick has a very quick release, and we were slow on that first step, so we go NOWHERE close on Sunday. I do believe that in the first 2 games, we were much closer. Last week though, not so much.

It took the Defense 6-7 weeks to really start to put it together last year (after the Cleveland game), and we have to hope that this team doesn't take that long.

As I've argued all week, I think this defense is better then we all think (or have seen so far). Taking out the Buffalo game (which it was awful), in the first two games, this Defense was allowing lots of yards, but really tightening down as the field got shorter and creating plays that denied points. In 20 or so possessions in the first two games, opposing offenses drove 50 or more yards and came away with NO POINTS on 5 occasions (either by INT, forced fumble, or TO on downs). That's a pretty significant number.

They really regressed in the Buffalo game, and that could certainly be due to us being a little short staffed in 1-2 key areas. I hope so anyway.

 

[dhamz]

After 3 games last year, the Pats were 2-1 and the defense was a disaster coming off consecutive shreddings by Mark Sanchez and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

They made some changes, some guys stepped up, and they progressed to the point where they were a pretty decent unit. It was an extrememly flawed defense but one that was good enough to support the Pats elite offense. It was not good enough to win games if someone shut down the offense either by out playing them or out scheming them.

I can see that development happening again which given this year's offense - more explosive but also not likely to have the historic low turnover level of last years- should be more than good enough to win a lot of games, make the playoffs, and compete for the division and HFA. Then the hope is Tom Brady and the offense roll off 3-4 great performances in a row in January/February.

If we are expecting to see this defense gel into more than that, I certainly hope it does but don't think it is very likely. There are a lot of holes personnel wise.

 

[DaBruinz]

Do they keep stats for "Almost Sacks" ?

Giants v s Patriots superbowl 42 best play ever Eli Manning to David Tyree amazing catch - YouTube

Why put up a play where even the REF said he blew the call???

 

[Seacoast Fan]

Umm...they're running a vanilla defense, from a standard 1-gap 4-3 formation that most of these guys have played within since high school. We're not talking about the crazy schemes from the days of 03 and 04. You've heard it from their own mouths..."my job is just to kill the QB" and stuff like that.

I just don't but the argument that they need time to gel, unless you're saying they're applying something slippery to their jerseys right before kickoff...

I tend to agree, I might feel differently if we were talking about the secondary, but with the D line, three weeks into the season, I am not sure I see why time to gel is needed, especially most of the D line are veterans. In obvious passing downs, beat your man and get to the QB.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

After 3 games last year, the Pats were 2-1 and the defense was a disaster coming off consecutive shreddings by Mark Sanchez and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

They made some changes, some guys stepped up, and they progressed to the point where they were a pretty decent unit. It was an extrememly flawed defense but one that was good enough to support the Pats elite offense. It was not good enough to win games if someone shut down the offense either by out playing them or out scheming them.

I can see that development happening again which given this year's offense - more explosive but also not likely to have the historic low turnover level of last years- should be more than good enough to win a lot of games, make the playoffs, and compete for the division and HFA. Then the hope is Tom Brady and the offense roll off 3-4 great performances in a row in January/February.

If we are expecting to see this defense gel into more than that, I certainly hope it does but don't think it is very likely. There are a lot of holes personnel wise.

According to stats from Comcast,through the first 3 games last year,the defense who was ranked low in 2010 was allowing something like 380 YPG and 19.8 points allowed...this year it is 468 YPG and 26 points allowed......that's alarming,especially considering Bill made moves to improve that,not make it worse.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Just one second sooner?

That's like a pitcher saying he just needs another 15 mph on his fastball before he's effective.

 

[dhamz]

According to stats from Comcast,through the first 3 games last year,the defense who was ranked low in 2010 was allowing something like 380 YPG and 19.8 points allowed...this year it is 468 YPG and 26 points allowed......that's alarming,especially considering Bill made moves to improve that,not make it worse.

In game 2 they gave up 28 points and 21/30 220 yards and 3 TD to Mark Sanchez. In game 3 they gave up 30 points and 374 yards to Buffalo. The defense was really bad at the start of last year too.

 

[dhamz]

According to stats from Comcast,through the first 3 games last year,the defense who was ranked low in 2010 was allowing something like 380 YPG and 19.8 points allowed...this year it is 468 YPG and 26 points allowed......that's alarming,especially considering Bill made moves to improve that,not make it worse.

380 Yards and 27 PPG was what it looks like it was through 3 games last year.

24 pts 428 yds vs Cicny
28 pts 336 yds vs Nyj
30 pts 374 yds vs Buf

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

According to stats from Comcast,through the first 3 games last year,the defense who was ranked low in 2010 was allowing something like 380 YPG and 19.8 points allowed...this year it is 468 YPG and 26 points allowed......that's alarming,especially considering Bill made moves to improve that,not make it worse.

For last year;

You're correct on yards allowed, but Ahhh. You need to find another WEBSITE FOR STATS for points.

First three games - points allowed (24, 28, 30) - Average 27.33

First three games - Yards allowed (428 336, 374) - Average 379

We were actually giving up MORE points per game then we have this year so far.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Much in the same way that when I walk from my bedroom to my bathroom I've almost walked to Cambodia.

LOL. It's not quite that bad, but it's pretty bad right now. I think the defense needs to work more in sync. Once they are working as one, then we're gonna see more results. Although there are vet players on the d-line now, they need time to get used to each other and the system.

As for Cunningham's disappearing act, I dunno, it's got to be an injury right? Otherwise there's no excuse. We were counting on him as a starter for 2011. And he can't even beat out Ninkovich or see any snaps on an injury ravaged DL?

 

[BradyFTW!]

God, this board is seriously unbearable after a loss. A lot of you guys just suck at being fans, frankly. We're not entitled to a 14-2 team with a perfect combination of youth and experience and no exploitable weaknesses every year.

 

[Mountain_Commando]

Do they keep stats for "Almost Sacks" ?

Giants v s Patriots superbowl 42 best play ever Eli Manning to David Tyree amazing catch - YouTube

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