Just in case you forgot why the NFL RULES over baseball...

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Jeff Suppan?

4 years, 42 million?

JEFF FRIGGIN SUPPAN!?!?!?!?!?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2707975

 

[PatsSteve1]

Jeff Suppan?

4 years, 42 million?

* I still can't get over 51 million just to talk to somebody. They can talk to me for a coupla bucks.

 

[alamo]

I still can't get over 51 million just to talk to somebody. They can talk to me for a coupla bucks.

But that's not what really happened, if all they did was talk the $51M would have ben returned. And when you look at the resulting contract you can reasonably say it's $51M less than it would have been if he had been a free agent able to negotiate with anyone.

 

[PatsSteve1]

But that's not what really happened, if all they did was talk the $51M would have ben returned. And when you look at the resulting contract you can reasonably say it's $51M less than it would have been if he had been a free agent able to negotiate with anyone.

* The RS put up 51 million for the sole right to talk to the pitcher who's name I'm not going to butcher - IF they signed him, which they did, didn 't they have to pay it? This thread is about why the NFL makes more moneysense than MLB. How many NFL teams have put up 51 million for the sole right to talk to a player knowing if they sign him they have to pay it on top of his contract?

 

[alamo]

* The RS put up 51 million for the sole right to talk to the pitcher who's name I'm not going to butcher - IF they signed him, which they did, didn 't they have to pay it? This thread is about why the NFL makes more moneysense than MLB. How many NFL teams have put up 51 million for the sole right to talk to a player knowing if they sign him they have to pay it on top of his contract?

But that $51M bought exclusivity, no other team could talk to that player. The Sox knew this when they agreed to pay the $51M. If he had been a free agent able to play teams off each other for a higher contract, $100M over 6 years is a reasonable expectation given his success in Japan. But he got only half that, so his actual contract plus the $51M fee wasa reasonable price to pay.

He wasn't going to walk way from that money, since doing so meant going back to Japan for 1/10th as much with the possibility he wouldn't be able to be a free agent again next year and would be stuck there indefinitely.

The irony is that you are holding this deal up as foolhardy when it was in fact quite astute bargaining, the player had more to lose than the team and the team had great leverage.

 

[PatsSteve1]

But that $51M bought exclusivity, no other team could talk to that player. The Sox knew this when they agreed to pay the $51M. If he had been a free agent able to play teams off each other for a higher contract, $100M over 6 years is a reasonable expectation given his success in Japan. But he got only half that, so his actual contract plus the $51M fee wasa reasonable price to pay.

* So, sticking to the thread topic, you apparently disagree with the idea that the NFL is better with player contracts than MLB?

 

[Johnny Mac]

MLB owners are rolling in money. I don't see why they shouldn't put it back onto the field.

 

[sdaniels7114]

At an average of 10 minutes per inning and 200 innings per year. Mr Suppan is going to be earning about 300k per hour next year; but he'll have to travel, and watch his team mates bat, and pitch on the side for free He's a 31 year-old quality starter in a sport that's rolling in dough. 10 times as many games played and roughly 1/2 as many players per team means that salaries are always going to be bigger in Baseball. Blame these lazy Football players who only wanna play on one side of the ball. If everyone did like Troy Brown, salaries would double. I'm sure Brady would make a heck of a Defensive Back.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Suppan sucked so bad he didn't even make our post-season roster in 03.
The immortal John Burkett beat him out...

 

[jaychamp]

I used to think the NFL ruled, and I guess I still do, but are far from perfect and they are going downhill IMO with so many ridiculous rules being made. The NFL is getting too greedy too. Now they're sueing Comcast for not offering NFL Network for free? And all the friggin commercials. Talk about taking away the flow of the game. 3 1/2 hours to play a 60 minute game

I'll always be a Pats fan, and will always root for them, but I find myself watching less and less of other games.

 

[alamo]

* So, sticking to the thread topic, you apparently disagree with the idea that the NFL is better with player contracts than MLB?

That wasn't my point, but in fact money management in general isn't any better in the NFL than in MLB.

The NFL leadership has engineered three crucial advantages in their economic system over MLB: hard salary cap, nonguaranteed contracts, and a much higher degree of revenue sharing. Those three items limit how badly NFL teams can screw up their economics. But within each league you still have plenty of teams that spend as little as possible and plenty of teams which throw money around on players who aren't worth it.

Compare Suppan with Branch: both got paid much more than they are objectively worth due in part to their availability at a time of high demand and little supply for their abilities, and also due in part to their previous postseason success.

My point is that the people at the very top of the NFL know that individual teams often make stupid moves and have set up their system to limit the damage, other than that their isn't much difference in how individual franchises in each sport are run.

 

[Tunescribe]

This thread sucks. MLB sucks. Who cares about baseball, especially this time of year? :blahblah: :bricks: