Just back from the stadium...

[cmasspatsfan]

It had nothing to do with reading plays. It was looking at Fitzpatrick throw the ball with no break on it at all. When a QB aims his body at the only WR on that side of the field and winds up, while our safety is picking daisies, it doesn't take a genius to watch that happen. But hey, if you want to twist things like AndyJohnson, be my guest.

You have a better vantage point up in the stands watching the whole field while the safeties are down on the field where its mass confusion. Im not saying they played well I missed the game.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Regarding moving down in the draft, it's almost like BB has resigned himself to a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" philosophy to rookies so he's decided to take a draft-in-bulk-and-see-how-many-stick-approach. Kind of the idea that you can either draft gifted athletes that turn out to be knuckleheads-- lMerriweathers, Spikes and Chad Jacksons of the world--or smart players like McCourty, Mayo and Chung who may not be upper-echelon elite athletes on the pro level .

There are obvious exceptions like Gronk and Vollmer, but far too few in recent years IMO.

You can get by with likes of Earthwind Mooreland's and Elliss Hobbs for only so long, either as patchwork, or picking up has beens likes Duane Starkes.

Bend but not break has always broken come playoff time since 2005.

 

[upstater1]

What did I twist? You said every fan in the stadium could read the play and our safeties couldn't. (You also said you knew when they would throw to Gronk too).
I accepted that as your real honest view of what you think, and chose to dismiss it as ignorant. Where is the twist?

No, I didn't say every person in the stadium could read the play. I said every person in the stadium knew who Fitzpatrick was throwing to. Big difference. That's why you're twisting it. The guy was throwing the ball and our safety wasn't looking.

 

[upstater1]

You have a better vantage point up in the stands watching the whole field while the safeties are down on the field where its mass confusion. Im not saying they played well I missed the game.

McCourty was bumping the WR at the line and Barrett had him over the top. All the short routes were on the other side of the field.

 

[Ring 6]

No, I didn't say every person in the stadium could read the play. I said every person in the stadium knew who Fitzpatrick was throwing to. Big difference. That's why you're twisting it. The guy was throwing the ball and our safety wasn't looking.

So let me get this straight. All 50,000 plus people knew before the play or after the ball was in the air?
what was our safety doing? picking clovers?

 

[mgteich]

Obviously, upstater is exagerrating or is a bit under the influence. However, your questions regarding the safeties are good obes.

So let me get this straight. All 50,000 plus people knew before the play or after the ball was in the air?
what was our safety doing? picking clovers?

 

[Ring 6]

McCourty was bumping the WR at the line and Barrett had him over the top. All the short routes were on the other side of the field.

Did you have an earpiece to hear the defensive calls? How do I get one?
Look I'm trying hard not to be a dlck, but come on. You are trying to tell us you knew what was going to happen before it did, and you know what each players responsiblities were, even though they actually didn't do what you say their assignment was.
Do you think that if you think Barrett was supposed to play over the top of McCourty, yet he didn't that perhaps you misunderstand the defense, or are you sticking to your story that Barrett didn't know what he was supposed to do?

 

[Ring 6]

Regarding moving down in the draft, it's almost like BB has resigned himself to a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" philosophy to rookies so he's decided to take a draft-in-bulk-and-see-how-many-stick-approach. Kind of the idea that you can either draft gifted athletes that turn out to be knuckleheads-- lMerriweathers, Spikes and Chad Jacksons of the world--or smart players like McCourty, Mayo and Chung who may not be upper-echelon elite athletes on the pro level .

There are obvious exceptions like Gronk and Vollmer, but far too few in recent years IMO.

How are Mayo, McCourty and Chung not upper echelon elite athletes on the pro level? Their athleticism is unquestioned. Mayo led the NFL in tackles, McCourty was a probowl rookie.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

How are Mayo, McCourty and Chung not upper echelon elite athletes on the pro level? Their athleticism is unquestioned. Mayo led the NFL in tackles, McCourty was a probowl rookie.

and what exactly does it mean to make it to Probowl ?

McToasty so far

wk 1 : Marshall 7 139
wk 2 : Jackson 10 172
wk 3 : Take your pick of Nelson, Jackson, Johnson covering (6-84, 5-87, 8-94)

Going the path of Darius Butler, and at this rate done by yr 3. To even put him as elite athlete is laughable. He had a good rookie year that's all. Now, he's being carved up worse than Hobbs or Samuel were in their 2nd yr. infact so far he is worse than Butler was last year.

Mayo is decent, that's all. Nothing spectacular. Just a solid MLB.

 

[JMarr]

How are Mayo, McCourty and Chung not upper echelon elite athletes on the pro level? Their athleticism is unquestioned. Mayo led the NFL in tackles, McCourty was a probowl rookie.

Yeah, I know that's stretching things a bit. Maybe just another way of saying that the draft is and always will be a total crapshoot and BB knows this, thus tries to increase his chances of striking gold simply through a numbers game. The fact that he rarely moves up to snag an impact front 7 guy can be frustrating after a close-game loss where having an impact pass rusher might well have been the difference.

 

[Ring 6]

and what exactly does it mean to make it to Probowl ?

McToasty so far

wk 1 : Marshall 7 139
wk 2 : Jackson 10 172
wk 3 : Take your pick of Nelson, Jackson, Johnson covering (6-84, 5-87, 8-94)

Going the path of Darius Butler, and at this rate done by yr 3. To even put him as elite athlete is laughable. He had a good rookie year that's all. Now, he's being carved up worse than Hobbs or Samuel were in their 2nd yr. infact so far he is worse than Butler was last year.

Mayo is decent, that's all. Nothing spectacular. Just a solid MLB.

Take my pick? How about you look at the plays he covered instead of picking a guys stats and pretending thats what he allowed?
So all he has is a rookie year. And all YOU have in your criticism is 3 games playing a totally different defense. Gotcha, lets just write the epitath.
Mayo is decent? Thanks for eliminating yourself as someone who's opinion I should take seriously.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, I know that's stretching things a bit. Maybe just another way of saying that the draft is and always will be a total crapshoot and BB knows this, thus tries to increase his chances of striking gold simply through a numbers game. The fact that he rarely moves up to snag an impact front 7 guy can be frustrating after a close-game loss where having an impact pass rusher might well have been the difference.

Its worked.
We have been the most successful franchise in the NFL since BB arrived.
Who else's plan would you take in place of BBs? No one.
Of course there are draft choices that don't work out, anyone who drafts makes bad draft choices, there are 100s of variables that you cannot predict.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

and what exactly does it mean to make it to Probowl ?

McToasty so far

wk 1 : Marshall 7 139
wk 2 : Jackson 10 172
wk 3 : Take your pick of Nelson, Jackson, Johnson covering (6-84, 5-87, 8-94)

Going the path of Darius Butler, and at this rate done by yr 3. To even put him as elite athlete is laughable. He had a good rookie year that's all. Now, he's being carved up worse than Hobbs or Samuel were in their 2nd yr. infact so far he is worse than Butler was last year.

Mayo is decent, that's all. Nothing spectacular. Just a solid MLB.

You really don't know much about football, do you?

I mean, I'm sure you watch the games and all, but you just don't know what you are seeing. McCourty probably played his best game this year. His first to weeks he was govering 2 of the best big WR's in the NFL. He was the least of the Pats issues today. We have no DE's that can even get close to the QB. Fitzpatrick may not be Brady, but he is a pro QB, and if you are gonna let him stand back there all day, your corners are gonna get toasted for some yards.

I mean really, McCourty may not be the next Revis, but it's a little early to be tossing out the "going the way of Darius Butler" card.

 

[upstater1]

Did you have an earpiece to hear the defensive calls? How do I get one?
Look I'm trying hard not to be a dlck, but come on. You are trying to tell us you knew what was going to happen before it did, and you know what each players responsiblities were, even though they actually didn't do what you say their assignment was.
Do you think that if you think Barrett was supposed to play over the top of McCourty, yet he didn't that perhaps you misunderstand the defense, or are you sticking to your story that Barrett didn't know what he was supposed to do?

So Barrett is playing deep on the left side and Mccourty is bumping at the line. What are Barrett's responsibilities? He's looking for a crossing route or a post coming from the right, else he's deep on McCourty's man.

By the way, you continue to put words in my mouth. Why not follow along with what I wrote instead of twisting things again? I didn't say Barrett didn't know what he's supposed to do. I wrote that the guy seems out to lunch because he got incredibly late jumps on Fitzpatrick's throws. It's not a matter of diagnosing the play. It's a matter of breaking for the target when Fitzpatrick has already committed.

 

[PaulThePat]

Thanks for the comments upstater. Just a pity one particular forum know it all has decided to give you the third degree for having an opinion