Seahawks pick will be even better after Sunday

[carolinatony]

The Chargers need to win to keep home field from Indy so they SHOULD beat the Seahawks Sunday. This would make them 8-7.
I am happy to see this. With the schedule they played it seemed like they would have had a better record. Their kicket won 2 games in the last 10 seconds or else we would be getting a top 10 pick.
They play @ Tampa the last week so they should finish 9-7.

 

[BelichickFan]

9-7 should put the pick @ 21 as they lose the SoS tiebreaker to just about every team.

8-8 with SF losing one puts Seattle in the playoffs but probably behind an AFC team or two finishing 9-7 out of the playoffs. They would pick after all other 8-8 teams as making the playoffs is the tiebreaker.

8-8 with SF winning two is the goldmine, Seattle is out of the playoffs and picks in the front of just about all 8-8 teams. Then we're looking at better than #15 but it's unlikely.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The playoffs, as I understand it, are irrelevant in draft order. Only overall records count, except for the SB participants.

We've been through this before:

* The SB winner gets #32, the runner-up #31.
* All other teams are ranked by record, so, for example, all 8-8 teams pick before all 9-7 teams (with the above exceptions).
* Within each grouping of teams, all non-playoff teams pick before all playoff teams (which is why we care whether or not SEA makes the playoffs!).
* Playoff teams are also ranked, in their respective bands, by how far they advance in the playoffs (so, for example, if teams A and B have the same record, but team A is one-and-done while team B loses the AFCCG, then team A picks first, regardless of strength of schedule).

 

[BelichickFan]

Playoff participation is irrelevant in draft order. Only overall record counts, except for the SB participants. First Tie-breaker for teams with the same record is opponent winning %. 2nd tie-breaker is division and conference record. 3rd tie-breaker is a coin toss.

Playoff participation overrides SoS as the first tiebreaker.

 

[BelichickFan]

You're wrong. Playoffs are not a tie-breaker, except for the SB participants.

No, you're wrong

I remember in 2002, the Browns made the playoffs and we didn't with the same record. We had a tougher schedule which usually would put the Browns ahead of us. But we were ahead of them because they made the playoffs.

The playoff thing prevents a tiebreaker putting a team in the playoffs over another while, simultaneously, moving the team in the playoffs higher in the draft.

 

[BelichickFan]

You're wrong. Playoffs are not a tie-breaker, except for the SB participants. As an example, in the 2006 draft Indy (14-2) picked #30, Denver (13-3) was slotted to pick #29, although Denver made it to the AFCCG and Indy was knocked out in the divisional playoffs.

How far you get is irrelevant outside of making the SB but getting into the playoffs is relevant.

 

[carolinatony]

I can't believe they could lose at Tampa next week but WOW if they did!
We are getting a good pick no matter what they do the last game.

 

[BelichickFan]

I can't believe they could lose at Tampa next week but WOW if they did!

They just lost to SF and Arizona, they can lose to anyone

 

[PonyExpress]

Apologies to all. I was being a jack@$$, like usual. Here they are verbatim:
"Selection Meeting:
If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.
Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip."

 

[scout]

As I mentioned in another thread, Tampa played well against Chicago when Rattay was put in as qb. Alstott also was rejuvinated. I believe the game is at Tampa. There are more coaches (Gruden) and players on Tampa who will be playing for jobs then Seattle.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

As an example, in the 2006 draft Indy (14-2) picked #30, Denver (13-3) was slotted to pick #29, although Denver made it to the AFCCG and Indy was knocked out in the divisional playoffs.

Just for the record (if it's not clear)--DEN still picked first because they had a worse regular-season record. If they had both been 13-3 (or 14-2), then DEN would have been #30 and IND #29.

 

[carolinatony]

The good news is that this game is at Tampa. Flying from Seatle to Tampa must be a longgg flight. Boy; it would be nice for them to lose

 

[PonyExpress]

Just for the record (if it's not clear)--DEN still picked first because they had a worse regular-season record. If they had both been 13-3 (or 14-2), then DEN would have been #30 and IND #29.

You're right. Not only was I being a jerk, I was also being stupid.

 

[sieglo]

The good news is that this game is at Tampa. Flying from Seatle to Tampa must be a longgg flight. Boy; it would be nice for them to lose

With our luck they'll lose both games and BB will use the #14 pick to draft a tight end.

 

[AzPatsFan]

With our luck they'll lose both games and BB will use the #14 pick to draft a tight end.

But I LIKE TEs! :rocker:

 

[patsfaninpa]

Seattle could lose final two to finish at 8-8. But, SF has to win out to win the division.They might be Ariz. at home this week to get to 7-8. But, are at Denver last week. Very unlikely they win there. I give TB a better chance to beat Sea. than SF to beat Denver. Rams cannot win division because of tie-breakers. If Rams had beaten them once. We would be looking good.

 

[alamo]

How far you get is irrelevant outside of making the SB but getting into the playoffs is relevant.

As should have been obvious by the quotes later in the thread, that's not true. For example, a 9-7 team which loses the championship game will always pick later than a 9-7 team which loses their wildcard game.